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Guessing the reach happened before he elbow hit

Tburgess making excuses for the lions? Noooooo

And by interesting you mean ******* terrifying right?

I am saying they made a change a number of years ago where if on a fumble the players continued the recovery mattered, all I am saying is in this situation, everyone played like there was no whistle so why the double standard?

I just can't imagine how they watch film from last night and don't see bighill falling all over the field missing tackles...

schoen also had some better support around him when he was totally raw too. With Lawler and Schoen hurt early and the OL and Collaros playing like poop the first month of the season it's hard on a rookie. I agree with Booch above, looks like the rookie jitters went away last night and he just played rather than trying to think about what he's doing. Let's hope it continues.

You know that if the Riders win this is your fault right?

There's precedent... they allowed for **** that happens after the whistle to count on turnovers too.

Woods and Adams inside, let Thomas and Schmeckle back them up but those two need to be the guys getting most of the reps. Then actually roster enough DEs. Please for the love of god. Use the DL properly and it makes everything easier. That's not even getting into how cooked Bighill is.

Wilson had some opportunities to make plays in earlier games but he just could not squeeze the ball. I am optimistic that if he has figured out that aspect he will be just fine. He doesn't need 200 yards every game, just make some plays and be dependable.

It'd be like in hockey where they mess up a whistle on a line call and they do a face off. Refs ****** it up badly on 2 cases on the play, first the no catch and then the whistle, from an official on the other side of the field no less. The fair thing would have been a replay of the down. Is it in the rules? I don't really care that's what should have happened and the refs should apologize. Instead we got that travesty and the shortly after another missed call that the Bombers likely would have challenged if not for this one.

Because it was a forward pass... collaros was what 7, 8 10 yards behind the LOS when he threw it. What should have happened is they should have replayed the down. The whistle went incorrectly, you can't say he would have been stopped there because there was no defender in the time zone. Total incompetence on the reffing and I am ok with challenging that despite losing yards as a way of embarrassing the refs who blew that one so spectacularly

Before this game I was saying to some people start Wilson in bighills spot and Cole in Wilson's... would be a lot better

Pokey Wilson ... goes from a guy who has no idea how to catch the ball to that... impressive. Liked that collaros was at least trying to get the ball out quicker ... Adam Bighill looked like a complete ******* that game... like awful. How can the coaches watch that and keep trotting him out? Alexander too was brutal. Thomas while being brutal at least made a couple plays when they came to him. He was useless huff8ng and puffing after the play too though. Woods had himself a game, our secondary sans safety is good though...

Bailey grant and Hansen aren't the difference makers. The problems aren't who they didn't keep, the problems are who they kept and who is injured and how people are used.

This is really all it comes down to. He needs to be willing to make those prick decisions and say "this position isn't getting it done, next man up"

I have no idea at all why they feel it's ok to field such a pitiful defensive line... used to be a huge strength when this team was winning championships and now it's a total liability

To be fair Smith has looked dangerous at returner too. Not as explosive as Grant was but he's gonna bust some sooner or later. He's been close a few times.

This is criminal. GIven Bighills age and obviously declining play and Wilsons injury history to not have anyone pushing those guys HARD is just negligence. Even last year at least they had Clements.

So most of this is young player growing pains because they didn't do any succession planning last season or if they did the guys got hurt.

Thomas is not needed from a ratio perspective, if they had any inclination to move on from him it would be the absolute easiest decision in the world... instead he gets trotted out for every single series.

Absolutely nothing supports this idea

Something something faj

Yeah some definition of what a pressure is would help because I know I don't always agree with the criteria DT uses in his stats.

Doesn't it come into play during 3 way ties as well? I might be crazy