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The only thing I would say is that it's not always as simple as running a deficit or not running a deficit. For example, the Conservatives planned to be deficit free, but with the economy hitting the shitter there's no way for that to happen now barring big tax hikes, which in a recession probably not the greatest idea. With everything being so global these days there are less things a government can do in order to avoid situations like this.

Yeah this team lacks talent more than it lacks anything else. Bellefeuille isn't anyones ideal OC, but he's not to the point of holding the team back right now. When the talent has improved then we can talk about upgrading the coaching staff.

The greatest lie the NDP tells is setting the bar at what constitutes "the rich" They make it sound like it's only the super wealthy that will get taxed, but the reality is that many of the higher tax brackets hit the middle class too because "rich" is such a subjective amount. I'm rich compared to a lot of people but compared to really rich people I might as well be a pauper.

It's something that boggles my mind too. My brother and his wife are pretty much the poster family for income splitting and they certainly aren't wealthy. Yes he makes a good salary, but his wife doesn't and with 3 kids they don't have anything close to wealth. The people against income splitting are the low earners who think they should as a household with 2 low earners pay less tax than a household with the same income but the majority of that income coming from one person. The left is very petty when it comes to people having more than them. They won't like being called greedy but they are greedy. They want more than they have and want people with more to have less. or people who are single and have a good income and are tired of paying way more than their share/to raise everyone elses kids. Well us single people already pay a disproportionate amount of taxes and that's never going to change so I see no real point in bitching about it.

It's something that boggles my mind too. My brother and his wife are pretty much the poster family for income splitting and they certainly aren't wealthy. Yes he makes a good salary, but his wife doesn't and with 3 kids they don't have anything close to wealth. The people against income splitting are the low earners who think they should as a household with 2 low earners pay less tax than a household with the same income but the majority of that income coming from one person. The left is very petty when it comes to people having more than them. They won't like being called greedy but they are greedy. They want more than they have and want people with more to have less. You're big into generalizations. I'm not a low income earner, nor am I really a "lefty", and I'm not a fan of income splitting. I disagree with the idea of taxing households as a group rather than individuals. I know there are already differences in taxes for married vs. single people, but I'm not really sold on that either. It's not the worst idea ever, as I understand the thinking behind it. I just don't agree, and I actually benefit from it. A story about people having more kids than they can afford won't persuade me. Seeing as how you like generalizations, the right likes keeping their women at home and want a tax break to pay for it. Why is that? When you get married or enter into a common law arrangement you already are combining into one person really. It's just a sensible thing to do. I don't really care if it is a tax break to keep women in the household and out of the workforce, that is a choice that couples make and there's nothing wrong with someone choosing to live that lifestyle. If one person can support both why not let one stay home and raise the kids themselves? Better than letting the government raise kids.

No one is going to use revenue for one thing and one thing only and I honestly don't believe that it should be used like that. Why not? Because I think trying to have certain taxes ear marked for certain things is too easy to have a surplus in one area and a deficit in another. Should treat taxes as general revenue and use it to fund everything. Just easier to keep it all straight and you don't find yourself in a situation where there's too much money for something so better spend it on something useless just to spend it.

It's something that boggles my mind too. My brother and his wife are pretty much the poster family for income splitting and they certainly aren't wealthy. Yes he makes a good salary, but his wife doesn't and with 3 kids they don't have anything close to wealth. The people against income splitting are the low earners who think they should as a household with 2 low earners pay less tax than a household with the same income but the majority of that income coming from one person. The left is very petty when it comes to people having more than them. They won't like being called greedy but they are greedy. They want more than they have and want people with more to have less.

Yes. As another poster said, Mtl is in turmoil. Ottawa has the same problem as us, unproven coaching. If Ottawa has an edge on us I believe it is Henry Burris and his experience. We don't have a veteran leader like that, someone that can teach the players how to win. We have to rely on Mike O'Shea for that and thusfar the results have been sporadic at best. Marcel Bellefeuille could have been that guy but I don't think he is up to the challenge either. We sorely lack the coaching and/or veteran leadership required. I wish we had a Buono type here to serve as an adviser to O'Shea. Did you just say MOS wasn't a good leader? Man oh man the things you say.

Numbers need more context and are they weighted in certain areas that are more important? They are interesting numbers but given the information lacking with regards to them I don't know that we can put an effective ranking of offensive lines. As raw numbers they're interesting, as a ranking I need to know more about the logic in the rankings.

and I'd like to win the lottery. No one is going to use revenue for one thing and one thing only and I honestly don't believe that it should be used like that.

Yeah I don't blame you. It was a classic protest vote, in which the people of Alberta chose to chop off their leg because they had a sore toe. What I find hilarious though is that I've talked to probably a hundred people from Alberta this summer and not one will admit that they voted NDP. And they all blame Edmonton and "those idiot young people", whatever that means. I know people who voted NDP just because they wanted change, people who'd never normally do it. Just sickening. Yeah Prentice and the PCs ****** up but for gods sake, the NDP? Really? That's just being angry smashing a bunch of stuff in your house and then waking up thinking "boy I wish I hadn't done that" I am concerned that Canada is going to do the same thing this fall, it really worries me to be honest. Yeah the Conservatives probably need to go just because every government has an expiry date, but god not the NDP and Tom "say anything" Mulcair. That's just asking for trouble.

If O'Shea hadn't played him in the last game clearly he wouldn't have hurt himself working out. For shame Mike O'Shea, for shame. Your short sighted coaching is causing players to get hurt all over the roster.

that's a deal breaker for me. You shouldn't take that at face value. The Conservatives are still increasing health care spending each year, they just cut the amount of increase each year. It's still increasing funding. If health care is such an important issue I suggest taking more of an interest in provincial politics since it is a provincial responsibility. I dunno man, polls show Quebec is still fully on board with the NDP and now BC seems to be joining their party. Damned granola eating hippy tree huggers and french losers. Hey man, we've rejected those Dipper-doughbrains in four provincial elections in a row now. You should be the one talking, with all of that ugly orange crap currently sitting in Edmonton as your government. Hey don't blame me, my riding elected a conservatives and the wild rose candidate came in second. It's the nutjobs in Edmonton and inner city Calgary largely responsible for that clusterfuck.

Unless they were coming to the CFL right away not much, but if they're coming to the CFL why aren't we just keeping them?

I prefer to think of it as trying to drag them up.

I think they're still stuck on the idea that the swing voters are between Liberal and Conservative and that they can siphon enough people that way. I don't buy it. That likely works in Ontario but in the west people are more likely to vote NDP than Liberal it seems to me so there's a lot of gains for the NDP to make there.

I dunno man, polls show Quebec is still fully on board with the NDP and now BC seems to be joining their party. Damned granola eating hippy tree huggers and french losers. Absolutely is, on orders from the NDP. Provincial and federal wings are the same party so she's doing Tom a solid. Ridiculous because we all know they're raising taxes. For the life of me I don't understand why the Conservatives aren't bringing up the **** show that is the Sellinger government every chance they get. That would be my first piece of evidence that the NDP are the boogeymen people say they are.

Simpson was good, just got hurt too much.

Interesting that Mulcair says the NDP will not run deficits... he's promising an awful lot of spending so that tells me it's higher taxes to pay for all of that, wonder why he's not mentioning that in all these promises. Corporate taxes and high income tax brackets can't pay for all the stuff he's promising....

Who cares about creativity? Just stating the truth and Winnipeg has a stereotype about being cheap for a very good reason. It's a city full of cheap skates and bargain hunters. If the city is so cheap why does the average winnipeg citizen have record levels of household debt. Doesn't really jive with your argument of the "cheap Winnipegger." If they are cheap, they wouldn't have record levels of household debt, would they? This is seriously an argument that you bring up? Household debt is climbing at an alarming rate all across Canada, that's not a specific thing to WInnipeg it's just a function of how society has changed. More people use credit to buy things it doesn't speak to cheapness, simply a societal trend for people to charge more. Spending more money than you have is not the action of a cheap person. Fact is, in Winnipeg there are more lower income earners than other cities on the Prairies. The average middle income earner earns less in Winnipeg than in any other medium-sized or large city on the Prairies. They are going to spend less money on luxery items and such. Not a function of being cheap, it's a function of less income. You need to get out of the Calgary bubble once in awhile. I still think there will be some big discounts with tickets at the Grey Cup...even at the risk of alienating those who paid full price. They did offer plenty of 2 for 1s at the Grey Cup in 1998. The amount of effort you are putting into defending this is astounding, but WInnipeg is cheap. I was born and raised in Manitoba too and I came to be a cheap person myself, I dunno why you consider it some grave insult.

Y is it around here when someone has a different opinion good or bad people like you jump on it as trolling? This is a forum no? Or is it a kumbyas let's not breathe a word of criticism your a troll only forum?It's more a case of choosing to believe that no one could possibly be that stupid so it must be trolling for a reaction. It's not about differing opinions, it's about opinions so unbelievably stupid.Ok who gets to decide that you?Noeller? If it is someone trolling just don't react no? Is Doug Brown an idiot too?It's a slippery slope your traveling.Cant believe im doing this.Its not rocket science. Back up your opinions with reasoning or else your opinions are worthless. Pretty much everyone here with the exception of a few tend to say their piece.. Why they feel that way.. And debate it. They dont say their piece.. Refuse to explain it or ration it out.. Then cry foul when people call it crap. People dont butt heads with you because you have a difference of opinion.. HALF this board does usually.. Maybe more so.. They butt heads with you because not only do you have zero substance but you act like someone pissed in your coffee when they disagree with you.. Condecending, insulting and belittling dont really get people far on this board. Lastly and I cannot stress this enough... You are more then welcome to have a differing view point. Read any thread and you can see for yourself how this board functions. Your attitude is what I have a problem with and your arrogance.. From the guy who said leave him alone, man when it comes to arrogance your the last poster here that can claim innocence.Instead of attacking y not just let it go? You think MOS is a good hc fine I don't fine its done it's like a Tim Burke saga all over again.At the end of the year we will find out. I don't believe you're arrogant for what it's worth, I just think you're of that same erroneous school of thought that all opinions are valid.

yah but 17 to 85 explained earlier why almost wins don't count. I wish I could merge my two posts. If almost wins count for the riders they should count for us, if they don't count for the riders they shouldn't count for us either but then we're still ahead in real honest to god wins too.

How things are presented absolutely matters. If you display an obvious biased when presenting data it's impossible to take seriously. I didn't read the link you posted, I won't read anything from that source because I don't consider it a good source. It's mostly good for a left wing back slapping session. I am pretty sure this is the last election Harper is leading the Conservatives through regardless of what happens.

I've seen thetyee linked a few places, every time I don't look at the url and click on a link I'm shown a heavily biased piece that cares less about facts and more about an idea that left wing is better than right wing. It's not an unbiased source and it often skews facts to suit their argument.

Isn't this what happens even when there is a majority? Less so actually, this last majority was a bit of an anomaly. The Liberals and NDP were just sooooo salty about the fact that Canadians didn't believe their little vote about the Conservatives being in contempt of parliament and gave them a majority. Remember folks, the NDP and Liberals know what Canadians want better than Canadians do.