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That's a shame, would have liked to see other teams keep crappy players around.

you really think sneaking on 3rd and short does much to develop a guy?

That would be a mistake cause Portis stinks.Stinks as a 3rd Stringer though? I don't think so. Anyone else we bring in as the #3 wouldn't know the playbook or personnel as well as Portis.So what's wrong with keeping all 4 qbs around this year and in the event that Marve does go in the offseason you still have Portis around for the following season while keeping your 3 best qbs this year. Injuries happen in the CFL, we've gone 3 qbs deep on the depth chart a lot in the last few years.The thinking is that they'd want to develop Portis more this year since you know he'll be around next year, meaning he'd be 3rd QB. Would Marve accept a reduced role this year?They'd both be doing their developing in practise more than anything, I don't see any issues. I think people are really just trying to find something to worry about with the qb position. Writing off guys as gone before the opening kick off in game 1, for **** sakes guys let's settle down a little.There's a lot more development going on when a QB gets to play in actual games. And since 1/2 is Willy/Brohm neither one of Marve or Portis is likely to get a lot of playing time anyway so my point still stands.

O'Shea did say he should have tried more 2 pointers post game so there's that.

That would be a mistake cause Portis stinks. Stinks as a 3rd Stringer though? I don't think so. Anyone else we bring in as the #3 wouldn't know the playbook or personnel as well as Portis. So what's wrong with keeping all 4 qbs around this year and in the event that Marve does go in the offseason you still have Portis around for the following season while keeping your 3 best qbs this year. Injuries happen in the CFL, we've gone 3 qbs deep on the depth chart a lot in the last few years.The thinking is that they'd want to develop Portis more this year since you know he'll be around next year, meaning he'd be 3rd QB. Would Marve accept a reduced role this year? They'd both be doing their developing in practise more than anything, I don't see any issues. I think people are really just trying to find something to worry about with the qb position. Writing off guys as gone before the opening kick off in game 1, for **** sakes guys let's settle down a little.

That would be a mistake cause Portis stinks. Stinks as a 3rd Stringer though? I don't think so. Anyone else we bring in as the #3 wouldn't know the playbook or personnel as well as Portis. So what's wrong with keeping all 4 qbs around this year and in the event that Marve does go in the offseason you still have Portis around for the following season while keeping your 3 best qbs this year. Injuries happen in the CFL, we've gone 3 qbs deep on the depth chart a lot in the last few years.

That would be a mistake cause Portis stinks.

And others are acting like Marve should be considered the starter for the Bombers now. My point is simply: A) the noise out of camp from the media is that Brohm is the clear #2, both in how he's performed (although some posters here see things quite differently from their viewpoint at practice - I'm not going to say which assessment is the more accurate one), and in what the intentions of the coaching staff are (at least how the media have portrayed it so far), so Marve is at best the #3, which usually is reserved for a developmental future project and not a player intended to supplant the current starter by week 9, and whether or not he fails in the NFL, his intention NOW is that he doesn't want to stay and play in Winnipeg, even though his contract says he can't go anywhere else for this year, so one has to wonder if that lack of desire to be here will keep him from wanting to return to Winnipeg as a free agent after a failed NFL run. I have little faith that Marve will score an NFL spot, but if his attitude is that the Bombers are not his priority, why keep him holding a clipboard this year over a QB who will be invested in growing his game with the team beyond this season? Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. Every player on that roster at one point had NFL dreams. Nothing says Marve isn't committed to Winnipeg if the NFL dream dies. Worrying about nothing. If he's the 3rd best qb (to me he appears much better than Portis) so keep him on the roster and trust you can convince him that Winnipeg is the best place to be on his next contract.

For all the love Marve gets on this board, the repeated message from the media and what the coaches tell them is that Brohm has basically been locked into the #2 position barring some major collapse, and with Marve flat out saying he's leaving for the NFL next year, I can't fathom the club using up what amounts to a developmental roster spot on a guy who wants to bolt at season's end. I know his scrambling and enthusiasm score big on the emotional love scale from the fans, but keeping him doesn't seem to be the logical move unless he's the clear #2 and pushing for top spot, which by all accounts from those who make the decisions, he isn't. Just because he wants to try the NFL doesn't mean he's automatically going to get a shot. He could be back quite easily. The NFL has a long, rich history of signing back-up CFL quarterbacks...........well at least there must have been ONE somewhere along the way, no? Graham Harrell. Pat Barnes

For all the love Marve gets on this board, the repeated message from the media and what the coaches tell them is that Brohm has basically been locked into the #2 position barring some major collapse, and with Marve flat out saying he's leaving for the NFL next year, I can't fathom the club using up what amounts to a developmental roster spot on a guy who wants to bolt at season's end. I know his scrambling and enthusiasm score big on the emotional love scale from the fans, but keeping him doesn't seem to be the logical move unless he's the clear #2 and pushing for top spot, which by all accounts from those who make the decisions, he isn't. Just because he wants to try the NFL doesn't mean he's automatically going to get a shot. He could be back quite easily.

I just listened to the radio but I thought that it was a pretty good preseason game all around. Some guys stepped up and made some plays. I don't know that anyone really played their way off the team so from that standpoint it's good. Make the decisions hard. If you complain about that game I think you are really trying hard to find things to complain about.

Actually I would not be surprised to see Yantz as one of the first cuts. There is no benefit to keeping a Canadian quarterback around and at this point I think he is pretty clearly behind all the other qbs, so in that case why bother to keep him? They don't make decisions based on feel good stories.

and what about the guys who look good in practise but falter when the lights go on? Or the guys who don't stand out in practise but get it done in the games? Those things happen every year. You are doing a disservice to the team if you make all those decisions based purely on what guys are doing in practise. You know what practise tells you? It tells you which guys aren't good enough physically to compete and in that case you can cut them safely without giving them game time. You want to see more vets and win the game, OK but your assessment that you can't evaluate people because there's less starters is a bit silly. Evaluation isn't just about how many yards a guy gets or whatever. Coaches can watch the film and see who is doing their assignments correctly or if someone is getting physically over matched. It's just really silly to be worried about the roster for the first preseason game when it's on the road. GIve some of the new faces a shot and see if what is happening in practise matches up with what happens in the game and then make some cuts and focus on getting ready for the regular season.

Then a winner would be determined by playing Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock... oh wait. https://youtu.be/ROhPZtLSfDA I prefer two man sack races on consecutive sundays.

The point is that when he looked good the book wasn't out on Printers yet and teams didn't play to just keep him in the pocket. Once he came back and people knew what he was about they took away his legs and he couldn't beat them with his arm. We simply don't know if Marve can do that yet. Being able to scramble and run is a good asset for a qb to have, but they still need to be able to pass from the pocket first and foremost. Agree to disagree. There's more than one way to be a good QB. If you're a Ricky Ray type, that's from the pocket. If you're a Flutie or Reilly type then it's from moving the pocket around and using your legs when needed. Printers had a great year, went to the NFL, wasn't the same when he came back. He turned out to be a one trick pony. His biggest problem wasn't throwing from the pocket, it was that he wasn't the brightest bulb in the box and his team wouldn't go the extra mile for him. Marve's had less than 60 minutes of playing time behind a horrid O line. Of course we don't know if he can pass from the pocket yet. Being a pocket passer is a good asset to have, but it's not the be all and end all of playing QB. You still fail to grasp the point. Flutie and Reilly could and also can pass from the pocket so keeping them there really doesn't limit how effective they can be. That's what makes them so dangerous, they can hurt you any which way you like. Same deal with Burris or Durant currently. Can you name a qb that was effective who wasn't able to pass from the pocket but could run? They usually have a good stretch and then get figured out. There is more than one way to be a qb, but a qb that can't pass from the spot where qbs spend most of their time is a guy that won't be any good. What in the less than a game of playing time behind a horrid O line makes you think that Marve's one dimensional and can't throw from the pocket? I've said many times Marve hasn't had the opportunity to show it or not, but that's the key, until we see if he can do it it's still a mystery. The CFL is littered with guys who looked good when they could scramble all over but failed to sustain it when forced to be a passer. I am taking a wait and see approach with the guy. I want to believe in him and hope he can prove himself, but until he does it's still a question that needs to be asked.

What do we suppose the odds are of the game being archived somewhere? I gotta go out and pretend to be an athlete tomorrow night (I do a poor job pretending but that's besides the point) and I would love to be able to watch the game at my leisure after the fact.

heh.. This made me laugh.. Are you talking to yourself? No, But i'm pretty sure this statement would be just as true as if you were. The difference is that my opinions ARE fact.

The point is that when he looked good the book wasn't out on Printers yet and teams didn't play to just keep him in the pocket. Once he came back and people knew what he was about they took away his legs and he couldn't beat them with his arm. We simply don't know if Marve can do that yet. Being able to scramble and run is a good asset for a qb to have, but they still need to be able to pass from the pocket first and foremost. Agree to disagree. There's more than one way to be a good QB. If you're a Ricky Ray type, that's from the pocket. If you're a Flutie or Reilly type then it's from moving the pocket around and using your legs when needed. Printers had a great year, went to the NFL, wasn't the same when he came back. He turned out to be a one trick pony. His biggest problem wasn't throwing from the pocket, it was that he wasn't the brightest bulb in the box and his team wouldn't go the extra mile for him. Marve's had less than 60 minutes of playing time behind a horrid O line. Of course we don't know if he can pass from the pocket yet. Being a pocket passer is a good asset to have, but it's not the be all and end all of playing QB. You still fail to grasp the point. Flutie and Reilly could and also can pass from the pocket so keeping them there really doesn't limit how effective they can be. That's what makes them so dangerous, they can hurt you any which way you like. Same deal with Burris or Durant currently. Can you name a qb that was effective who wasn't able to pass from the pocket but could run? They usually have a good stretch and then get figured out. There is more than one way to be a qb, but a qb that can't pass from the spot where qbs spend most of their time is a guy that won't be any good.

No you take a ton of crap because of how many mental gymnastics you perform to try and make your misguided opinions seem like the stone cold truth. You have a real bad habit of believing that your own personal opinions are 100% facts and only ******* would disagree with them.

The point is that when he looked good the book wasn't out on Printers yet and teams didn't play to just keep him in the pocket. Once he came back and people knew what he was about they took away his legs and he couldn't beat them with his arm. We simply don't know if Marve can do that yet. Being able to scramble and run is a good asset for a qb to have, but they still need to be able to pass from the pocket first and foremost.

You actually think I'm ripping anyone a new one with my posts these days? LOL. You seem to have forgotten what it looks like when I'm ripping someone a new one. Go back and see my posts regarding Kelly or Mack if you want to see what it really looks like. No the point was more about how you completely over react to the smallest and most common things. We're all making fun of you

I'm sure tburgess will be along shortly to rip the Argos a new one for not even caring about winning the game dressing all those backups and leaving all those starters out.

Why do you keep bringing that up? Nobody, but nobody, is trying to turn Marve into strictly a pocket passer. But why you are missing is the suggestion that Marve must be able to show the ability to pass from the pocket. There's a big difference. It's not me bringing it up. I was replying to a post where the poster said that Marve needs to prove himself as a pocket passer. That's pure bunk. I'm not 'Missing anything', I'm disagreeing with the premise. There's more than one way to play QB effectively. You're splitting hairs by using the word 'strictly'. Marve is a scrambler with a big arm who's accurate on the run. He doesn't just run the ball, he extends plays with his legs and throws. That's something that most QB's can't do, Willy included. Before anyone goes off about how I hate Willy or how I think Marve should be our starting QB, that's not what I'm saying. Willy is our best pocket passer. I have zero problems with him being our #1 QB. I'd like to see him get pulled earlier in games he isn't being effective, but that's a coaching issue IMO, not a QB one. OK, but what is the opposing defense just plays contain and keeps him in the pocket? Can he pass from the pocket? Cause that's all anyone is saying, if you can't pass from the pocket you won't do much in the CFL. It's Casey Printers syndrome. Don't let a guy use his legs he's gotta be able to beat your with his arm.

Brohm must have an attractive personality. I'm pretty sure Bellefeuille's history with Brohm goes a few years back. Woudn't be surprised if there was a bit of a bromance there. Also, the team probably doesn't want to look stupid for trading an asset to acquire him. The team is interested in winning games not justifying trades. I know a lot of people around here want Marve to be the man, and I'm a fan of the guy, I really am, I hope he does turn into a great player... but the fact remains that Brohm isn't a terrible option either and if the coaches like his work who are we to argue? He seems to be able to pass the ball pretty accurately from what I've seen of him. The only concern would be whether he's too immobile. Brohm being #2 isn't about politics at all in my estimation, simply about him being a more polished passer than Marve at this point. If Marve shows his ability to pass the ball from the pocket then he will undoubtedly climb the depth chart because of the added dimension of his mobility, but I don't know that he's there just yet simply because he hasn't been in a situation where he has had to show it yet.

Wait so the guy who was #2 last year is impressing the coaches enough to not change the order? POLITICS!!!11!!!!