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People really need to get over this 25 year thing. I tried to explain it to some people in the chat room after the game. It's only year one for Walters and O'Shea. They need to be shown some patience. Forget all the mistakes that were made in the past, give these guys a proper chance to build something. I think we are on the right track over all. We have what appears to be a good quarterback situation right now and I am a believe in Mike O'Shea so that's two of the most key positions. The rest will come in time. People get too focussed on wins and losses and that's not the way to look at this season. Considering where this team ended last season and where we're going to end this season we are in so much of a better spot it's crazy to be angry.

That sounds counter intuitive to me. If we lack talent across the board the sensible thing to do is get the best player out there. I'd make sure someone is going to play in the CFL this year but it doesn't matter what position. We used a canadian in the secondary all year, an upgrade there would be great, we need an upgrade on DL more than we need OL if you ask me, we used a linebacker most of the year, an upgrade there would be great. If there's a star type receiver that would be great, if there's an OL that'd be fantastic too. About the only position you don't need to worry about is RB and qb.

and yet Willy has a better completion percentage and more yards than Bo does... Bo plays on a better and more talented team with the best coaches in the league, that's the real difference at this point.

Then the problem you run into is that you won't be able to recruit anyone worth a damn because it's just further instability. No coach wants to go to a place where they're going to be fired after one season. And really why are we firing Etch again? The D has been ok this year. The biggest thing we need on D is some better defensive linemen in there. people are taking this dislike of Etchevary to ridiculous levels. He's not my ideal defensive coordinator but he certainly hasn't done anything to warrant being fired. He was better than I expected him to be and you don't fire a guy after one year when the D wasn't the big problem on this team. If I was putting the 3 phases in order of concerns about them it would be special teams > offense > defense.

It was pretty solid. I don't think there was anything that'll go down as super memorable but some good laughs in there. The common theme of the season is, the less Aidy Bryant in the episodes the better it is.

This team needs quality Canadians at any position they can get them at. Take the best guy and don't worry about position.

Kyle Walters really has his work cut out for him this offseason. He absolutely needs to bring in some unknowns who can push guys for jobs and even take them outright in training camp. That's the next step for this team. It think in most places there's enough of a core there they can build on.

Whoa whoa whoa there. You mean..... nah iso, goalie, Mr P and the rest can't be wrong about Drew freaking Willy can they? .... Ummmm, nope, it's me, I'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Its the water boy (right Willy boys) -he's the culprit. Not Drew Willy, He had the time to go to his fourth reads, no one was open. That's why he was sacked. Willy is God, he can do no wrong. Now Willy is Jesus Christ, and he's shouldering the burden of the whole team You'd probably get a lot more credit for your opinion if you didn't sound like such a clown while you convey it. "look at me look at me look at me look at me" The real issue is that he does get some things right but uses the wrong line of thinking to come to that conclusion. If you fall ass backwards into being right but don't have the proper method for coming to that conclusion it's still talking out your ass.

There is similarities to be made tho... Stand in pocket and throw, willing to take hits to make throw.. Very lethargic in escaping.. Both are bright, make right plays for the most part... Differences are willy accepts leadership and is wiling to accept blame.. Listens to coaches and players advice.. Elliot wishes he was a leader but blames everyone and doesn't listen to advice.. Believes he is much more then he is... Willy seems almost like he is wowed by the fact he is a starter and is overjoyed to be one.. I've said it before and I'll say it again, shouldn't we be praising Elliott for telling Crowton he was a moron and his offense didn't work? Seems to me that's what he needed to hear.

Why wouldn't he be able to stay healthy this offseason? Well, guess I was meaning like through training camp and then preseason as well, though I guess that doesn't count as offseason. It just seems like for the last 4 years or so we've had a different RB starting our season opener than the one we had finish the previous season: Ex 2011 - Fred Reid 2012 - Bloi-Dei Dorzon - started because Chris Garrett our new found star got injured 2013 - Chad Simpson - he always seemed to be on that injury cusp year in and year out 2014 - Nic Grigsby - got the job because Cotton was out. I don't know, I know probably about every team goes through a RB turnover more often than not at some point, but it'd be nice to see some continuity on our part in that department this next year with Cotton full ready to go week 1. Dorzon and Grigsby both started because both guys in front of them were hurt in preseason. Both were similarly bad, just that Grigsby managed a good first game and somehow kept the job. Cotton by rights earned the starting job in preseason, he was probably the best offensive player the Bombers had in both preseason games. Criminal that he didn't get in as soon as he was healthy.

You know I have two vivid memories of the Bombers going for it to end the half, once with Brink at qb and he lobbed a td pass up to carr (i think it was carr anyway) in the endzone rather than trying a field goal and the other was in 2005 against Ottawa. There was one play until half and I just assumed Jim Daley would do the Jim Daley thing and take a knee and go into the locker room so I head to the bathroom, well next thing you know the guys I was watching the game with are yelling and cheering, Chris Brazzell to the endzone! son of a *****. As long as you don't turn the ball over I'd try it all the time.

This is correct. They've made some puzzling roster decisions at times this year, but I do think they've gotten over that recently. Much more willing to make changes to things that aren't working. Losing will do that. Not as smart as they thought they were. It's a fine line to walk though, you want to show faith in your players. I really do think O'Shea learned a lot this season about head coaching. I think if we run this guy out of town we're going to regret it.

The frustrating part of that, is you know it's the last play and you know that it's a hope and a prayer, you have to just let the ball fly and hope for the best no matter what.

I still have a lot of time for Mike O'Shea. He is the least of our problems here. There are a lot of places that could use a talent upgrade. Notably defensive line needs to be a LOT better. I'd say they need to find one more receiver who can hit 1000 yards as well. Then there's the OL which needs to figure itself out.

at least the jets won

No one will argue that Willy played a good game last night, the problem people are having with the negative folks around here is how they are so keen to throw the guy under the bus. There are some very real explanations for why he's at the point he is, going full Tim Burke on the guy doesn't help anything.

The only thing that wrecked willy this year was having to do too much on his own. He took too many hits, he didn't have a good running game to lean on because they fell in love with Grigsby for some reason and the receivers overall as lacking.

Because he's shown to be highly capable, it's his first year as a starter and he's surrounded by (at most times) a pretty terrible supporting cast?My god the first 6 games of the year left quite an impression on you didn't they Some people are just able to look at the big picture and not fall into the shallow line of thinking that "team loses, qb must be bad!!!!"

Willy needs a break for his own good, but once he's healthy next year he's going to be good. Anyone can see the poor guy has taken too much of a beating this year. Between the multiple hand injuries, the shoulder, the ankle, it's just taken too much of a toll on him.

Okay, other than saying the same thing over & over & over about how bad Willy is/was/ always will be, you tell us why a qb who suffered thru 11 sacks tonight would hold onto the football too long instead of getting rid of it quicker. I'd be interested to read what you have to say. Go ahead... Oh & don't give me that shell shocked answer as it is more complex than that. Shell shocked means he'd be panicking & throwing the football too early. I want a real insightful answer. It's really not hard to understand, the guy is terrified of getting hit while throwing the ball so he tries to buy himself time but the OL isn't good enough to sustain their blocks for long enough and when he does that he gets caught. It's painfully obvious to see. Being shell shocked and afraid doesn't mean you throw quicker, it means you hesitate. It's clear that right now Willy doesn't trust his blocking or his receivers or himself. Too many hits this year and it's ****** with his head.

This is correct. They've made some puzzling roster decisions at times this year, but I do think they've gotten over that recently. Much more willing to make changes to things that aren't working.

Rider fans everywhere after seeing their backups fail are huddled in a corner rocking back and forth repeating the words "Darian is coming" over and over again.

Willy has been shell shocked for some time now, when you look at the record number of sacks given up it's no wonder. Listening to him on the CJOB post game, he knows what he did wrong, he's going to come in healthy next year and light it up, but this year he's taken such a beating he can barely function.

A giant **** you to everyone who argued with me about Cotton needing to go in over Grigsby. Suck it. Suck it long and suck it hard.

Good finish to this game, makes me remember how much I love the CFL when you see games like this where the score goes back and forth a bit.