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you can't develop a QB without giving him playing time. If it wasn't for Brohm getting injured last year, Marve probably wouldn't have seen the field at all. That's absolutely false. Especially in the CFL. What do you mean? Players need to be put in game situations eventually. Sure, young players usually need to be eased in at a slower pace but it certainly doesn't hurt that Marve got into some real game action last year. Do you honestly think that his development would've been hampered had he taken the few extra reps that Brohm got last year? I'm not saying Marve should be the starter or anything, just that he should be given the backup role if he shows to be more competent than everyone else at his position. Key word in bold. We don't even have to go very far to see what rushing a qb can do... Tito Sunshine in Saskatchewan last year. Showed well as a third stringer in limited action, failed as a #2 when the starter got hurt and he had to go in. Riders and Sunseri would have both been better off if he'd stayed at #3 last year.

So then I really can't figure out how Glenn has lasted this long. Other than people thinking that Kevin Glenn 2015 is still KG 2007, which he isn't.Or, crazy thought here, you're selling Glenn short because of a personal bias against the player he is average at best and this is the CFL. There is a drought at quality qbs Absolutely he is average, but average to some people apparently means bad. You can do worse at backup than Kevin Glenn and the Bombers have done worse since basically Kevin Glenn was a backup here there first time, that's a decade. Hell they've done worse than Kevin Glenn as a starter for most of the last decade too.

Still too close to call how it's going to shake down. I will say with certainty though that Winnipeg will finish anywhere from 1st to 5th in the west this year.

So then I really can't figure out how Glenn has lasted this long. Other than people thinking that Kevin Glenn 2015 is still KG 2007, which he isn't. Or, crazy thought here, you're selling Glenn short because of a personal bias against the player

You can't develop a QB without giving him playing time. If it wasn't for Brohm getting injured last year, Marve probably wouldn't have seen the field at all. yeah you can. Especially when they've only had one year in the CFL. What you want isn't developing a player, you want to rush a player and hope he's an instant hit. Experience matters and Brohm has more than Marve at this point.

Big deal. But how was that new field financed? Was it done with help from the Esks at all with the condition that a game gets played there? There's a lot of people in Fort Mac temporarily who live in Calgary or Edmonton, this is probably just the Esks trying to make sure that market spends their non cocaine disposable income on the CFL as opposed to other sports. No one is thinking of putting a CFL team in Fort McMurray, it's all about Edmonton marketing to everyone in norther alberta.

well the whole thing is pretty incorrect. Winning the war is really easy. The problems arise after the battles are all won. See what happens is once the enemy forces are destroyed and the leadership is gone there is a power vacuum and more often than not it gets filled by less than desirable people. If you could still conquer a nation and annex them you'd see a lot less problems but that's not what goes on. They go in win the war then leave the locals to pick up the pieces and that leads to radicals stepping into that power vacuum. It's not about winning a war, it's about having the commitment to stay after it's won.

Now now, that game in Calgary was an ass ugly game in the snow. Sloppy sloppy sloppy. It was a good effort by the Bombers and Marve but it's not like they went and beat a team in great conditions that was firing on all cylinders. This board has a real problem with blowing things out of proportion.

Yeah and what we see is a guy who has managed to stick in the league for a long long time. If he wasn't a decent option at qb he wouldn't have lasted anywhere close to that long. Some of you guys really hate the guy though and constantly downplay what he can accomplish. No one is talking about bringing him in to run the team. A lot of you folks are acting a lot like Mike Kelly did. "Glenn sucks! We'd be better off with this unproven guy!" How'd that work out for everyone?

No I'm not talking human rights, I'm talking anything on the right. I see it all the time on the internet. People had no trouble lambasting the view on networks like sun news, yet citing blogs from incredibly biased left wingers as truth. The left is very intolerant to anything other than their world view. Look at how much **** Alberta gets for maintaining low taxes. The left won't hear of any sort of positive, it's just a travesty and barbaric that they're not gouging the populace in order to spend spend spend. Alberta needs a PST as we haven't enough revenue when oil prices tank like now. I hate taxes but this seems like a no brainer to me, 17. Oh and I agree, a PST and a progressive income tax rather than a flat tax would do a lot of good, but that's not what the issue is here, the issue is with the lefties who are intolerant of an opinion that is different than theirs.

Homer vote Darvin Adams. I don't consider Cotton to be a potential break out star, in my mind he already showed he was plenty good last year, politics kept him on the bench though.

Funny that you didn't unleash this same logic in the Glenn thread. Because we're talking inexperienced rookies at qb in the Glenn thread. We had experienced OL & they still sucked. Asking a rookie qb with limited experience to carry the team on his back if he has to is just asking for trouble. So apples to oranges. Ummm, no. He's suggesting that these experienced O linemen might not live up to expectactions. That their performance might not be all that we're hoping for. Which is the same sort of logic that could be applied to Glenn, that maybe he wouldn't be the savior of the season if he played. Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread, but the irony was just too good to pass up. What irony? Having more faith in an experienced and proven qb over an inexperienced one? Did I say I didn't think the OL was improved? No I just said let's wait for them to prove it before we start calling them best in the league because it takes 5 guys working together for an OL to be good. Tempering expectations has nothing to do with thinking Glenn is a better option at #2 qb for the short term than Marve. Go chug another glass of haterade and keep on hating on Glenn. Fact is he's still a decent qb for all his warts.

No I'm not talking human rights, I'm talking anything on the right. I see it all the time on the internet. People had no trouble lambasting the view on networks like sun news, yet citing blogs from incredibly biased left wingers as truth. The left is very intolerant to anything other than their world view. Look at how much **** Alberta gets for maintaining low taxes. The left won't hear of any sort of positive, it's just a travesty and barbaric that they're not gouging the populace in order to spend spend spend.

And just for the record, I didn't say don't be optimistic, I said temper expectations. Talk of league best before even starting training camp? with 3 new faces? That's jumping the gun. Wait until they show it before we make claims about best in the league or top 3 or whatever.

Oh please. The middle east is such a mess and has been for a long time because the global powers started arbitrarily dividing the place up putting factions on opposite sides into countries together and expecting to to work. The whole area has been getting attacked and conquered for centuries and used as pawns in global power games and you're saying it's the americans alone? Come on now. After 9/11 Have things got better since the Yanks went and attacked these countrys? Dont seem so. These countrys and people need to figure things out alone without interference from others. Did things get better after the crusades? After the Mongols sacked everything they could? After the western powers started drawing arbitrary lines to make countries? The place has been unstable since long before 9/11. Trying to pin this entirely on Americans shows a frighteningly short sided view of the history of the region and why it's in the state it is. Yes America has it's share of responsibility, but you made the claim saying it was all their fault and that is completely incorrect.

I know everyone is all hot and bothered by Marve right now, but he's not the first young qb to come in and be able to catch teams by surprise with his ability to run and improvise. Often times those players go through an adjustment period as teams know what they can do and take away their running options forcing them to beat them with their arms. If they can get Glenn at a reasonable price as the backup you absolutely do it. How many qbs have the Bombers rushed before they were ready and left dead or dying in the ditch behind them? There is no downside to Glenn as a backup. He's a veteran who can come in and win games if you need him to. He got the Stamps to the Grey Cup only a couple years ago, he got the Bombers to the Grey Cup in 2007. It's not like he's never won playoffs games. He isn't the guy to take a team on his shoulders and do it all by himself, but he is a guy that will play to the level of the team around him. His playoffs experience is pretty much identical to Henry Burris and so many people were screaming to get Burris here last season.

Fort Mac is likely money related. I'm sure someone is paying up for that. Too bad they picked a bad year to be doing it.

What happens if these guys don't mesh as a unit? What if Dile is hurt and can't play, what if Picard is washed up? What if Greaves and Neufeld don't pick up their games? I know it's fun to look at the names and say they are one of the best, but I think tempering expectations is a good idea. Let's save this kind of talk until it's actually proven on the field.

The left is just as intolerant of the right, as witnessed by their outrage over this network to begin with. I told all the wing nuts to stop worrying about sun news network, that there weren't enough people with a desire for that kind of sensationalistic network in Canada and that it would fade into obscurity, but no we can't even have anyone voice an opinion that has a right slant to it. Sun News Network was trash but the market judged it and found it unsustainable so away it goes.

Oh please. The middle east is such a mess and has been for a long time because the global powers started arbitrarily dividing the place up putting factions on opposite sides into countries together and expecting to to work. The whole area has been getting attacked and conquered for centuries and used as pawns in global power games and you're saying it's the americans alone? Come on now.

It's funny people here are so anti-Glenn, he did get this team as close to a Grey Cup championship as it's been in a long long time.

Your name insults the Bombers all-time leading scorer. If my high horse keeps me from sinking to that level, I'm fine staying up here. Like Jane Seymour says, if you keep an open heart, love will find it's way in. Riiight....have you ever looked at his career averages???? Here's a clue, his career average is 72%! 72%! Only 1 season where he was over 80% & that was only 80.4% (once in 20+ years) If he was any good, at all he'd have way way more points. He's only the bomber career points leader because of how long our stupid franchise kept him around...Saying a player sucks when that player actually does suck is not an insult. Go cry somewhere else... Guess Lui Passaglia sucks too then. He only went over 80% twice in 25 seasons. Dave Ridgway's career FG percentage was 78%. I know, it's sad how long all those kickers played for. The kickers now have much better percentages. Back then there wasn't enough legit competition. Now the league is much stronger in the kicking game percentage wise. Under 80% now just doesn't cut it. So don't hold Westwood accountable to todays standards then? Back in the day he was a perfectly fine kicker, he just happened to really crap his pants in a very important game.

He had a lot of fumbles for the touches he got. He was a good backup player. Could get some yards if you had to use him but wasn't good enough to get a big workload.

You know what the most exciting part is? WIth January and Morley gone it means we've finally turned the page of the names Mike Kelly brought in.

No one is as bad as Rider fans. As much as this site is filled with the biggest homer Bomber fans in the world even we can't hold a candle to the sheer level of the mental gymnastics that the green ******* can manage.