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honestly my problem with the media are guys like Weicek who have flat out stated they don't really like the CFL. How can this guy be taken seriously when he admits he doesn't understand the league? Then there are columnists who are more interested in being famous for stirring **** up than actually addressing real issues and it's easy to see why fans grow tired of the media coverage this team gets. No one ever complained about Ed Tait or Randy Turner because those guys did their jobs well. The new bunch though leave much to be desired.

that particular word is so strange to me... it's the most offensive racial slur you can possibly use... yet the people it's supposed to be disparaging against seem to freely use it themselves all the time. What gives? If you want that word to be a bad word then stop ******* using it yourselves!

The crazy thing is that Willy still put up 360 yards with such an underwhelming receiving crew. And he spread the ball around really well, he was doing a great job at finding the open man.Call me crazy but after ten weeks I think the guy is the best QB we've had here since Dunigan. He's doing a great job with far less support than Khari had. He's leading the league in passing yardage (and yeah I know everyone else has a game in hand but he's got a healthy 350-400 yard lead over his competition, so it's not a phony stat.) He's the best we've had since Khari. I've said before that I really wished Willy had the same kind of weapons Khari had because I think they could do a lot of the same kind of things. Let's not downplay what Khari was able to do ok, because he did some amazing things here.

IF you tackle the guy before he's already returned the ball to midfield the holding never has a chance to happen... When you let a returner get to the point where there's only one guy with a chance of stopping him you've failed in your coverage a long time before. That's absolutely true, but it doesn't mean there wasn't a hold and that it shouldn't have been called. yeah but when the coaches break down the film you think they will say to the team "OK it's not your fault, the refs just missed the holding"? What they're going to do are highlight the guys who didn't contain the returner initially because that's where the biggest mistake on the play came in. I really don't see how the 2 things are related. Of course the coaches will use the film to illustrate where the play broke down and point out the errors, so they can be corrected. That's their job and it's the players job to execute. Just like the refs blew a call that it is their job to make.... But I doubt they will be looking at film to see where they failed. Two seperate things: The Bombers failed to keep their lanes and make a tackle and the refs missed an obvious hold. The point is, that if you are play well and take care of your own play and don't make mistakes then the refs don't come into play at all.

This is what happens when you neglect your depth at one position and have to play an already injured player. Thankfully they picked up a guy in trade but how did we go over half the season without addressing the depth at this position? Kyle Walters has done some good things, but he has neglected some aspects of his job. The depth we have at DL and receiver in particular is alarmingly bad.

You are completely wrong. Look at where the Riders points came from in both games in Winnipeg. Offence didn't put up enough points in the first game and gave up 2 direct TDs, special teams did the same yesterday. If the O and ST don't hand the Riders points, both games in Winnipeg are easy Bomber wins even with 200 rushing yards against. When a team has a big lead their approach to the game changes. The only number that matters is the final score. But that big lead didn't come from the Riders offense, it came from special teams.... The Bombers won the battle on offense and defense yesterday, they just lost the special teams battle in a very lopsided manner. A win is a win, but when dissecting why a loss was a loss you can delve deeper into it than simply the final score. Let me ask you this, as a Rider fan were you pleased with the way the Riders offense played? Yes. Why? Because they controlled the game on the ground and protected the lead in the second half even while losing their starting QB (who was 8 for 9 passing at that point). but they didn't protect the lead... the lead kept shrinking on them in the 2nd half and the only reason they had the lead to start with was because of the special teams plays... I'll point it out again, the Riders offense twice had chances to make first downs late to take time off the clock and twice they failed to do so giving the Bombers chances to win the game again. The Riders defense did more to keep the lead than the offense did. You are looking at the offense from the standpoint of "we won so it all worked out" which is flawed. You have to ignore the final score to properly look at how things went.

IF you tackle the guy before he's already returned the ball to midfield the holding never has a chance to happen... When you let a returner get to the point where there's only one guy with a chance of stopping him you've failed in your coverage a long time before. That's absolutely true, but it doesn't mean there wasn't a hold and that it shouldn't have been called. yeah but when the coaches break down the film you think they will say to the team "OK it's not your fault, the refs just missed the holding"? What they're going to do are highlight the guys who didn't contain the returner initially because that's where the biggest mistake on the play came in.

I would still like a more consistent running back but Grigsby has been getting better lately and with Moore I think the receivers are passable but without him I don't like them much at all. Replace Kelly with someone who is going to be a threat every game and get some better depth otherwise and I probably do like them a lot.

Exactly. Everybody assumes that one event doesn't influence another. Teams play differently with leads. yeah but it wasn't the riders offense that got them the lead. And when push came to shove and they needed a first down to run the clock down they couldn't get it despite having two opportunities. They also had a turn over on downs earlier in the game. The Riders offense was the least factor in that game being decided the way it was. Bombers won 2 phases of the game but got their asses handed to them in the third.

IF you tackle the guy before he's already returned the ball to midfield the holding never has a chance to happen... When you let a returner get to the point where there's only one guy with a chance of stopping him you've failed in your coverage a long time before.

You know I'd be shocked if there weren't racist remarks flying around a football field pretty regularly too.

You are completely wrong. Look at where the Riders points came from in both games in Winnipeg. Offence didn't put up enough points in the first game and gave up 2 direct TDs, special teams did the same yesterday. If the O and ST don't hand the Riders points, both games in Winnipeg are easy Bomber wins even with 200 rushing yards against. When a team has a big lead their approach to the game changes. The only number that matters is the final score. But that big lead didn't come from the Riders offense, it came from special teams.... The Bombers won the battle on offense and defense yesterday, they just lost the special teams battle in a very lopsided manner. A win is a win, but when dissecting why a loss was a loss you can delve deeper into it than simply the final score. Let me ask you this, as a Rider fan were you pleased with the way the Riders offense played?

I dont think he knows what it means when you put quotes around something Nothing the guy does makes me think he's anything more than a complete dumbass. If he had any kind of smarts at all he'd probably be a pretty decent football player, but he doesn't and he isn't. Complete liability on the field.

There are in fact people saying exactly that. If it was 200 rushing yards given up combined with 200 or 300 passing yards they might have a point but the fact that the total offense given up was like 300 yards and the riders managed only a touchdown means that defensively the Bombers managed fine. Yeah they gave up some run yards but it didn't cost them the game. There were tons of chances to score more points and they missed them, How about taking a 15 yard penalty to back them out of field goal range? Get a field goal there and suddenly a field goal at the end of the game ties it rather than taking a shot for the endzone. The blocked field goal, that was a mistake by the blocking plain and simple and without that the game could easily be a win. They made too many mistakes in this game on special teams and that was the difference. I'd say that the Bombers won the other two phases of the game, but they got beat so bad on special teams it cost them the game.

The biggest thing with Romby is that he and Willy just don't have any chemistry at all. Seems when they try and stretch the field deep with him the ball is never close because they just don't know how to play with each other. I think this team needs more weapons on offense bottom line. We have a lot of guys who can make a catch at receiver but we don't have a lot of guys who can put the fear of god into a defense and I think we need a game breaker like that. Especially when we go in without Moore our receivers are not a scary group.

People got their ideas thrown out of whack by the good start to the season. They forgot that we still had average at best coordinators on this team and paper thin depth in several areas.

Calgary and Sask sure seem like they stick with the run for four quarters... watch BC combo Logan, Harris and Brown against us next week - another test of Etch's 'flexibility' BC doesn't have a quality o-line so they can't run it as consistently. PLus last time we played them the Bombers shut down Harris just fine.

Apparently it was good enough. good enough when your special teams gets more points than your offense does.

at least I can accept when the Bombers don't play well enough to win and don't need to make excuses by blaming the refs. The Riders have as much to complain about as us, they just got the big plays when they needed them.

That's the entire philosophy though! you might get yards but you won't get points from running the ball. If the special teams hadn't made the mistakes for 2 touchdowns we'd be talking about it working.

and yet the Bombers still had chances to win if they'd made a couple more plays at the end of the game.... You don't need to have played football to understand that blaming the refs is a fools errand.

The refs are **** 17. I don't blame them for the loss today. it doesn't make them any less ****. If you think the refs in the CFL are competent, then you're not as smart as you think you are. and where did I say that? All I said was blaming the refs for a loss is what people who don't know football do. The refs are ****, but they're **** for everyone. Winning teams still make more plays than their opponents and the Bombers didn't do that today.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Riders are one of the worst matchups for the Bombers. Their strengths are their lines and running game, the bombers weakest parts are their run defense and their offensive line. Just a bad matchup and they managed to be close (yeah close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades and monkey **** fights) so it is way too soon to jump of the bandwagon.

The got the ball back for the offense twice in the dying minutes. Offense got greedy on the first try at the end, never should have made that play but I'll forgive a young qb for that. 2nd chance they had too far to go and not enough time, but when we needed them the D made some plays. Yeah they gave up some rushing yards but it really didn't hurt them on the scoreboard. The special teams did far more damage handing free points to the Riders.

what positive attribute does he bring to this team? I can't think of a single thing.