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Ford had the measurable....

I don't see it. At the risk of sounding too much like booch... Holm is too skinny for the NFL to look at i think.

I don't see it as finger pointing so much as a guy desperately trying to justify playing in the game

Yeah mos won't cut bighill but a GM can take that choice away from him.

The flashes are because that's the type of back he is. Can bust some big plays but he won't grind out runs like Brady does. He's a nice change of pace type back... but that's not super useful to this offense to be honest.

Wrong.

No it's not, he's the same quarterback he has always been. Make him think he will beat himself. Unfortunately Ritchie Halls default is very easy to read blitzes. If we had simply gone with the same defense that we used in the West final we could have seen the same result. Massive fail by the coaches of the Bombers.

No I think jbr is right, db read collaros the whole way and went where the ball was going. He looks to demski the db goes there. Either option there was a chance for a score IMO, just needed better placement on the ball. I know some people say Lawler could have caught it... but then simplest thing is to put the ball to the back of the endzone and avoid the coverage all together.

So if that's the case why the **** wasn't he already starting? But he still is, for unexplained reasons Hall didn't challenge him at all. Fajardo is a one read and throw or tuck and run qb. Why did Hall do his one read defense? Played into the hands of a limited qb.

People don't talk enough about grays struggles at guard too. Eli and Dobson for kolankowski and gray is worth a shot.

What was Collaros' excuse for looking like **** vs. Edmonton then?

He tucked the ball and turned upfield, to me it was 100% a fumble. However the command centre over turning that was probably too iffy.

are we sure about that though? last year, the year before absolutely believe that... but this year he didn't show the ability to get back into it. BC in the first game, labour day, probably some others I'm not remembering but he had a hell of a time shaking things off like he has in the past this year.

he got blocked at the LOS, it was houston had a shot at the tackle and whiffed. hey I posted earlier in the season asking if the time was right to move Collaros out to go with Brown. So it's not a knee jerk to this one game.

Forget Gauthier. The real question should have been would Wilson or Clements or Cole have broken up that pass? Maybe. Gauthier can remain a teamer and occasional rotational guy thanks.

I didn't notice any difference in the offense with Brown running it vs. Collaros, and in some cases he ran it better (vs. Edmonton for example) at 35 going on 36 Collaros is not a sure bet to maintain his play which is already slipping.

if you also paid attention some of us have said for a while now that Collaros being the best qb in the league is more an indictment of the quality of quarterbacking around the league than it is a true mark in Collaros favour. Guy can play and win a lot of games, but 3 straight duds in Grey Cups (one an all time defence bailed him out) and a lot of cracks showing up this year means that, to me at least, a $600K on the wrong side of 35 may not be the best investment anymore. If he's going to get happy feet any time he senses pressure even more so. So it's less of was he the best qb this year, and more will he continue to be?

And with 2 backup OL on we have enough bodies for blocking packages, no real need for a fullback.

It can be done, they just have to choose to do it.

If not for Brady O dragging the offense along this year there would be a LOT more talk about collaros problems this year.

you seem focused on this year a lot... fact is this team is at a crossroads. Either they make hard, unpopular decisions and reload and keep a good thing going, or they keep trotting out the same group expecting them to still play like they're all 3 or 4 years younger than they are and we slowly erode into irrelevance.

well not in terms of attitude... but probably bighill. O'Shea will never not put Bighill in a prime position on D and Bighill is nowhere near the player he was a few seasons ago. GM is likely going to have to force the issue there because I don't see the defence getting truly better until we can move on from that aging star. Ritchie Hall D has always needed a quality middle linebacker to be effective.

he started the game pretty good, after he got sacked the first time I think the demons crept in. Guy does not do well when he's getting hit. He needs an absolute clean pocket these days to be an MOP type guy.

IMO Eli did take a job, but the coach wouldn't make the change.

No there won't... but what if he regresses again next year? then we've still got one of the highest paid players in the league who isn't performing like an MOP level player should and what do we do for a backup if Brown looks for opportunities elsewhere? Dude is 35 and has an injury history as long as my arm.... He has been sub par in 3 straight grey cups now.... it's well worth having this discussion. Collaros is not likely to get any better than he was 2 years ago and is quite frankly only likely to get worse. Fact is that Brown operated this offense as well as collaros did... could be a good opportunity to get cheaper at the position and get some better depth. Especially since Collaros would still hold great trade value around the league.