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Poor Ricky Ray looks like he needs some receivers.

This is how I see it too. You could just tell that things were not working. They bumbled their way around so many facets where they just made simple fundamental mistakes. Catching and tackling should never be things to worry about going into a game. Even the field goal that hit the post, an inch or two more inside it probably deflects off and through. Just one of those nights where you can't do anything right. If we'd said before the season started we'd be 3-1 after 4 games I think everyone would have taken that without a second thought. This team has done a lot of good things thusfar, one bad game doesn't negate them.

he didn't hook slide but only because he was a bit off balance... he kind of fell sideways, but he was clearly trying his best to slide and give himself up.

How about we don't worry what position the back up STers are listed on the depth chart as?

I think I was more mad about this than almost anything else I saw last night. If anyone had done more than touch him they would have been flagged for 15 yards yet if they let up on him he can get up and keep going? He gave himself up to avoid contact, feet first or sideways it's the same thing. Yeah I didn't like that either. It was clear that Reillys intention was to give himself up, that should be blown dead.He didn't dive forward, he fell sideways as if to slide. Refs missed that one. If they're going to err on the side of throwing flags for minor stuff that could be roughing they better err on the side of qbs giving themselves up as well otherwise you're just inviting players to start hitting qbs when they slide.

Bull ******* ****. That Willis int and td doesn't happen if Grigsby hauls in a pretty routine pass. The returners couldn't catch kicks, They finally get a drive going and Moore promptly fumbles the ball in the red zone on a pretty routine tackle that receivers don't normally fumble on. Willy tries a shovel pass it bounces off the receivers face, Willy buys some time and gets a pass away to a wide open receiver and the target misjudges it in the air and drops the pass... I'm not taking away anything from the esks defense, they are good and they played good, but the Bombers hurt themselves as much as the esks defense did. You have a real problem where you take a hyper critical view of the Bombers but gloss over the Esks issues and hype up what they do well. It's not anything new, it's just a trend I have noticed going back a long way. This was an ugly game, without the Willis TD it might well have been 6-3 going into the 4th quarter, that's how bad this game was for both teams on offence. Just one of those ugly games where the Bomber D did all they could but the offence was having plenty of issues of their own and could never string anything together.

No I don't think the OL was the biggest problem. Yeah they had some bad moments but the biggest problem by far were the receivers. There were times Willy had plenty of time to get the ball out and kept looking and looking and looking but no targets. Everything save for a couple passes were to check down options. And when he did get the ball away the receivers were as likely to drop it as they were to catch it. Grigsby served up 7 points failing to catch a pretty straight forward pass but instead he volleyed it up right to Willis who of course has an easy run into the endzone. When you have five receivers and the defence is dropping eight or nine guys into coverage on second and long because your first down play resulted in a loss or no gain, the math isn't that hard to figure out. Of course no one is going to be open. it wasn't just on 2nd down. Blaming the OL has become a crutch around these parts. I don't blame people it's been an issue for several years, but last night falls more on the receivers than it does on anything else (though I'd put a lot of blame at the feet of the game plan as well, last few weeks haven't done themselves any favours in that regard)

What about all the times Willy had time but didn't have a target? I would say the biggest culprit were his pass catchers not giving him options to throw to or his receivers dropping the passes he did get away.

That's one of those inbetween calls I think. If he catches the ball there's no problems with the hit but there was probably enough time between dropping the pass and when washington hit him that it was late... of course Washington was committed to the hit and he didn't even check to see if it was caught or not.

This. Especially the stutter steps. Just run straight ahead. You don't need to be dropping your shoulder to fake out a defender that is 5 yards away from you. I was done with Grigsby on one of his bigger runs... he has all kinds of room and decided to run straight into the ass of one of his blockers.. WTF? And he does it all the time he likes to run into people for some reason. Yeah he's got plenty of yards but he just can't make people miss and if there's a guy to run into he will find a way to do it. That ball he volleyed up to Willis for 7 points was disgusting too.

No I don't think the OL was the biggest problem. Yeah they had some bad moments but the biggest problem by far were the receivers. There were times Willy had plenty of time to get the ball out and kept looking and looking and looking but no targets. Everything save for a couple passes were to check down options. And when he did get the ball away the receivers were as likely to drop it as they were to catch it. Grigsby served up 7 points failing to catch a pretty straight forward pass but instead he volleyed it up right to Willis who of course has an easy run into the endzone.

Not to mention we came off a 3 win season last year that was the absolute shittiest season of Bomber football I have ever seen. All these Thursday night games it's going to take time to get the casuals back. You can even see in the chat room that people don't quite believe that this team is different yet.

Yeah that was the final straw for me too. Mitch and Bob were being very kind in their comments after the Montreal game despite what a ****-show it was, and on comes Kelly and says "I've been listening to all of the bullshit you guys have been sayin' and I'm pissed off" - on live radio. It was the most non-classy, stupid things I've ever heard from a professional coach. Just unbelievable. Yeah there was no way the CJOB guys were going to be able to polish that turd and they rightly brought up problems they saw and Kelly's Ego wouldn't allow any criticism so he flipped out on the best CFL broadcaster in the country. Just despicable.

nothing to do with suitor. CB especially in man coverage are said to be on a island by them selves. Hence Chris Randle is out there on #RandleIsland , the NFL has the original island with RevisIsland. Apparently he doesn't listen... I said you know how Suitor always brings up the CB being on an Island? To the point of being annoying about it?

To me there is a big difference between a team telling a player to suck it up and play and a player deciding to play if they aren't feeling 100%. I can't see Bruce having been told to play if he was feeling effects, I can see him wanting to play. In my opinion that makes all the difference in the world. Concussion awareness is too high these days for teams to risk their players.

Had a quick look at what some esks fans were saying leading up to the game, quite a lot of arrogance there, let's put them in their place.

because Nate

That handled internally interview was the best thing Kelly did as a coach. I applaud him for hammering home to the media that he wasn't talking about it. They could have asked another question but instead they kept going back to the same thing when there was no comment forthcoming. It was the other stuff that Kelly lost me on. His raping of the NI depth and selling off the NI futures, the arrogance to not admit that his offense was broken and didn't work in the modern CFL, the combative approach with fans, guy could have been a good coach but he let his ego get in the way.

So, let's say Bruce wins & gets $5 million in damages that's a hit of over half a mill per team. If it's upwards of $10 to $20 mill, you do the math. More? The floodgates will open. Keep laughin', guys. I'm no lawyer but I would think that unless he was forced onto the field he doesn't really have a leg to stand on. I would think it's on him for taking the risk himself.

Attention whores gonna ***** for attention.

Agree, like Dunigan dislike Miller but its all better than Rod Black. That is the lowest of the low bars to set...

I've long felt that the penalty for PI was too severe. Most other penalties are 5-10 yards, with "major infractions" at 15, where in theory the risk of injury is greater. PI, which we all know can be subjective, can be 40+ yards, which seems disproportionately high. Compare this to holding at 10 yds, and I have trouble justifing the difference. People claim that if wasn't for the PI, they could have scored a TD, but my answer is that without the hold, there could have been a 15 yd sack, which also would have been a loss of down, so the penalty doesn't necessarily make up for the play/foul. At the professional level, it is one of the very few "unrestricted" penalties, meaning that instead of going "half the distance" to the goal line, it goes all the way down to the one yard line for a foul in the endzone. Again, this seem disproportionately high. I'd suggest that PI be made 10 yards and an automatic first down (restricted to half the distance when close to goal line) for most of the calls, but perhaps allow the officials to call a "flagerant PI" with the current penalties for the worst occurances. The officials already have the same discretion when it comes to "roughing" calls, there is the garden variety "unnecessary roughness" which is 15 yds (officials refer to this as "UR") but they can also call "rough play" (aka "RP") which is 25 yds and often an ejection. ("RP" in amateur ball is an automatic ejection, and as of 2009, all roughing calls became unrestricted, meaning that the ball can go down to the 1 yd line, rather than 1/2 the distance) I'd worry that dbs would simply take the penalty on every pass over 10 yards if they were getting beaten if you made that change. I think adding the judgement call opens up too much of a gray area where there's is a difference between what is flagrant and what isn't. To me the key is still to get some consistency from the refs. We don't even see that now with the review but if they can ever get that it will be a nice change. I'd also like to see holding get called more often, so many times it's let go for no reason.

Love Dunigan on colour, hate Gord Miller on play by play. If Miller would stop the bullshit trying to add his own colour commentary and just stick to play by play he'd be fine but no he's gotta inject his stupid ******* stories. "Hey Matt, who was the strongest arm you remember in the CFL? NO!!!!! You're wrong! It was this guy that I watched back in nineteendickety two!"

Denmark had some issues catching with a guy on him but I don't know that we can say he's not doing his job. He's drawn more than a couple pass interference calls, the catches will come, especially I think if Moore starts to draw more attention.

I just can't figure out why the stamps would let the guy go like that... yeah they're a deep team but the way he's played he would make any team better.