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but it is Kellys fault that he doesn't get open very much. That's quite a feet too because when you're 6'5 you should always be open.

Well, if he has the same performance has last game, quite possibly. I really wish Sunseri was pulled in the last game to try out the other QBs when we knew the game was over. Now we have no clue if the others are any better than Tino. They're not because they have less experience and the coaches don't just blindly assign guys to #2 and #3 positions. Sunseri is the back up because they've determined he is the 2nd best guy on the roster so what that means, is that if they start yanking him to put another guy in you've entered full on desperation mode. No team has some hidden gem at 3rd or 4th string that is going to come out of nowhere to wow people. You're too young to remember but when Ricky Ray came out of nowhere, he was the talk of the CFL based on preseason and was #2 coming out of camp and when he got in in place of Jason Maas he was instantly a smash hit. None of the Rider qbs showed anything like that, don't expect them to come in and suddenly be better. There is a reason that quarterback is the hardest position for teams to find a player at. It takes a very special situation for it to work. Most people felt the Riders did have a good situation for a player to succeed in because they have a good D and a good OL, but as we saw with Sunseri young players can often get hesitant if things start to go badly or the other defense makes them uncomfortable and things can quickly spiral out of control. Trust me on this one, again you're too young to remember the Riders having to do this but when you keep throwing qb after qb in looking for the instant fix you wind up ruining any potential your qbs might have. Agreed. I think many Rider fans have completely unrealistic ideas about how easy it is to develop a quality starting QB. Sunseri has about as good a situation as any backup could have hoped for and he looked absolutely lost out there. That kind of a performance does not get rectified in the span of a week. Sunseri is simply not ready. In a way they got very lucky with Durant. If he hadn't showed up and done what he did pretty much from the get go they might have been right there with the Bombers going through a million qbs looking for someone who didn't suck.

Well he is going a good job on STs, but there has to be a way to get an impact guy like Sears on the roster.

Well, if he has the same performance has last game, quite possibly. I really wish Sunseri was pulled in the last game to try out the other QBs when we knew the game was over. Now we have no clue if the others are any better than Tino. They're not because they have less experience and the coaches don't just blindly assign guys to #2 and #3 positions. Sunseri is the back up because they've determined he is the 2nd best guy on the roster so what that means, is that if they start yanking him to put another guy in you've entered full on desperation mode. No team has some hidden gem at 3rd or 4th string that is going to come out of nowhere to wow people. You're too young to remember but when Ricky Ray came out of nowhere, he was the talk of the CFL based on preseason and was #2 coming out of camp and when he got in in place of Jason Maas he was instantly a smash hit. None of the Rider qbs showed anything like that, don't expect them to come in and suddenly be better. There is a reason that quarterback is the hardest position for teams to find a player at. It takes a very special situation for it to work. Most people felt the Riders did have a good situation for a player to succeed in because they have a good D and a good OL, but as we saw with Sunseri young players can often get hesitant if things start to go badly or the other defense makes them uncomfortable and things can quickly spiral out of control. Trust me on this one, again you're too young to remember the Riders having to do this but when you keep throwing qb after qb in looking for the instant fix you wind up ruining any potential your qbs might have.

Kelly is 12th in receiving. No excuse is needed for keeping him on the roster. I'd rather a guy who has less yards but is a threat every week than a guy who pops up with a good week here and there.

No idea, but Rider fans who come onto Bomber forums acting like clowns shouldn't go throwing stones at Bomber fans who post on the Rider home forum. We all read what you have to say over at Riderfans about the Bombers. Don't come looking for sympathy and crying crocodile tears over here if a Bomber fan makes you look bad on your home forum. You come here all trying to give the impression that you're a nice guy but everything you say to Bomber fans and about the Bombers on your home forum is real douchebaggery. Own it. Perhaps what we write on our home forum isn't meant for your eyes. Your logic button is broken. He's a riders fan, it was never working to start with.

You need both. Mack was too reliant on his rookies, Taman was too reliant on veterans here and we never had the depth because we didn't have the young guys coming in. Based on one year Walters needs to pick it up in the young american aspect of things. You can't win long term being one dimensional in how you build you team, you gotta be able to sign the right veterans and replace people internally.

I don't think he looked poor at all against Winnipeg, he did what a backup is supposed to do. Manage & win the game.And like I said already, if he plays again like he did yesterday they put in Doege who's also taking 1st team reps in practice. I think Cortez's record speaks for itself, he knows what he's got. you are letting the final result cloud your judgement. He was 2 of 5 passing. That's not good at all. He is fortunate that his defense got a turnover late in the game or you might be on a 2 game losing streak because the backup qb can't get the offense going. A win is a win, against the Lions & Bombers he didn't do anything to hurt his team. Thank the Lord he wasn't throwing a bunch of 4thquarter INTs. He got stopped twice in the dying minutes to give the Bombers chances to win... Isn't that doing something to hurt his team? That the Bombers failed to capitalize is nothing to do with Sunseri. Stop being a homer and admit that the only time Sunseri actually did look good was in that BC game. He was fortunate against Winnipeg that his defense bailed him out and he was **** against Hamilton.

so then what's the excuse for players like Kelly and Bryant being the best options at receiver?

less whoever was saying MB is WAY more important to Canada than SK.... pretty sure I'd take their economy over ours. But we don't need to turn this political! Except that's not what was said, the comment was that Winnipeg was a more important city than any city in Saskatchewan.

I don't think he looked poor at all against Winnipeg, he did what a backup is supposed to do. Manage & win the game. And like I said already, if he plays again like he did yesterday they put in Doege who's also taking 1st team reps in practice. I think Cortez's record speaks for itself, he knows what he's got. you are letting the final result cloud your judgement. He was 2 of 5 passing. That's not good at all. He is fortunate that his defense got a turnover late in the game or you might be on a 2 game losing streak because the backup qb can't get the offense going.

Gappers are way more arrogant than Manitobans. Most Manitobans are self deprecating whereas gappers are chest thumpers.

We're talking about American rookies. OK... but even still, I'd still put him at the top amongst rookies, regardless of passport... but again not what we're talking about here. There is a difference between bringing in non imports and imports. We are discussing how the american recruiting seems to have taken a step back.

well you certainly hope so but what if he plays a couple more games that shitty? If he looked rattled by the pressure what's to stop teams from just sending pressure after him and waiting for mistakes? I would also like to point out that something you rider fans don't want to admit is that it's not just one bad game, he looked poor against Winnipeg as well so it's 1 and a bit games, in a row, that he looked poor.

but I've never said that. Durant has been a winner since he first took over, you don't replace winners that simply. What I find funny is how rider fans were so up in arms about TSN putting Ray as a better player than Durant and now suddenly it doesn't matter, it's the TEAM that is good not the qb.

Like I said, homer of the highest order.

except Calgary has Drew Tate who has started and won games in the CFL and looked good doing it. HUGE difference between the Stamps situation and Riders and only a homer of the highest order can't see that.

Simply because of QBing, BC has a competent QB and Sask does not. We can make the game up against BC true but I still think the Riders are on the verge of a big tank and they will be the ones we catch. Because the Riders are 2 wins ahead with a game in hand, we don't play them again and they won the season series... meanwhile BC is only 1 win ahead with 1 game in hand AND we play them again with a chance to win the season series against them. Much easier to make up the difference in that situation than trying to chase down a team that is further ahead with the season series in hand already.

So you missed how losing your qb can change a teams fortunes huh? Well let me help you out. http://www.cfl.ca/video/index/id/102817/autostart/1

why worry about the Riders? Beat the Lions when they come to winnipeg and try and make up that other game on them somewhere and you're set.

No spinning. TiCats laid a beating on the Riders. Sunseri likely gets a half, or maybe a game, and then next man up. Riders were willing to let go of Willy and give Sunseri the keys in this situation. I'm betting he gets a whole lot more before Doege and/or Price get some reps. Maybe or maybe not. Fortunately for the Riders there still in pretty good shape as far as making the playoffs go. The Redblacks have a decent defence but their offence is pretty suspect. I suspect that if Sunseri struggles again he will be pulled. FTR, Doege got lots of first team reps prior to the Hamilton game. so are the Riders be willing to part ways with Sunseri because of Doege? Sunseri will get his opportunity. IMO the worst thing that happened to Tino was throwing the INT early in the game. He started holding onto the ball far too long following that INT. Let's be honest here though, the way the TiCats played the Riders would have been in tough even with DD starting. Hamilton played a strong game in all three facets. You mean he played like a rookie with no experience? He turned the ball over and the riders weren't able to play with a lead? No one could have predicted that! Yet here you are still making excuses for something everyone saw coming. Durant was taking care of the ball and completing enough passes to give the defense a break. He goes out and your new qb has bad accuracy and got the yips because the other defense made some plays against him... Exactly what happens when you throw a young qb into the fire.

+ 1. I know we all like to plant a flag in the ground and defend 'our turf' but fans of all stripes are welcome here and good posting guidelines apply to everyone .. be respectful .. be opinionated .. hell .. take shots at one another .. but keep it above board and don't sink into petty bickering .. nobody is going to like it if moderators step in start reigning people in. Yeah droves of rider fans showing up in the midst of 3 games in a month against them basically taking over every thread and then trying to so desperately be accepted... it's annoying as all hell. They'd do well to keep themselves out of the mainstream so much. I can't wait until they get bored or Sunseri keeps shitting his pants and they lose a few more games, that'll quiet them down.

I'd throw Stoudemire in that mix too. He went to camp with the Riders, but he'd never played a CFL game before. That's 4 good rookies. How many are expected for one season? How about finding some at more positions than just defensive back? I'd be hesitant to include a player taken from another teams PR anyway but still, he's another DB.

The Bombers are so banged up I'm not sure what Walters could do. He's actually done a pretty quick rebuild with his smartest move being O'Shea. He could have brought in just 1 receiver who could sit on the practise roster and play when needed rather than Romby Bryant. He could have brought in some better defensive line depth... he could have found a better linebacker than Kuale. Look Joe Mack made mistakes, most notably with his coaching hires, but the man did know how to bring in american rookies. Hell last year we had Wallace Miles on the PR as a receiver who could come in for injuries, look at what's he's managing in Ottawa this year, looking like a decent receiver at least. Walters made move to get some veterans in which helped initially and hired a good head coach, but in terms of the rookie import depth, not sold at all and he needs to be better at it. I am willing to give them a pass in year one because they are transitioning to a whole new scouting staff, but next year I don't want to see them having to resort of guys on their last legs like Bryant or space fillers like Kelly.

and when the next guy up gets thrown into the fire too quickly and looks bad? What then? You're in a situation Bomber fans know all too much about, might want stop spinning so much and learn from people with more experience.