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New jerseys suck and are synonymous with one of the worst periods in Bomber history.

a team with a lame duck head coach that fired a GM mid season had locker room troubles? The hell you say.

Don't worry about Burris, he's happy as long as he's getting paid and no one is questioning his place on the team. Biggest suck in the league.

Yeah I would think that Walters knew damned well that Matthews was gone and Edwards was retiring before he even had the chance to try and sign Moore.

As usual Captain 20-20 hindsight calls another correct prediction. As usual Mr. Irrelevant has nothing really to say. Last year I chose Edwards as the surprise TC cut and I was wrong. This year I said he'd likely not make it to TC and I was right. Just cuz you didn't see it coming, doesn't mean others were also blind. If you keep predicting an older player to retire every year sooner or later I suppose it's bound to happen.... Seriously are you really going to boast about that? Everyone knew Edwards was getting near the end of the line.

It absolutely is a total change in the team. Very few veterans left around anymore. About the only guy from the old leadership group is January.

Guy had really really good hands. He regularly made catches that I don't know he had any business making. The only thing I didn't like was his habit of trying to draw flags all the time but he always produced for this team.

For a guy who was an after thought pick up and not even guaranteed to make the team his first season here he really was a great player for us. Yeah he slowed down lately but he'll be missed for sure.

That's never how the ratio works. The ratio works by identifying your best 7 NIs and where you have depth and playing those guys. And here's the thing, it may not be great, but the do have the most NI depth on the o-line so it only makes sense that they are looking at 4 NIs on the o-line.

unless their draft board has a huge drop off after that spot...

I think you can find RBs too easily in the states to worry about making it a NI position. Would rather go heavy on NI receivers than RB.

Not picking sides here but it's this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Just saying. Not at all, I am very open minded, it just so happens that I have considered everything already and drawn the only acceptable conclusion.

And this is why you get so worked about about things, with that statement there you demonstrate that logic has no place, what you believe is the only truth. That's dangerous thinking buddy, makes you very closed minded. Defending is a reaction, you can't react without the initial acting. You want me to stop defending then stop attacking. The power is in your hands.

I don't know that it's worth it. RB can be such a weapon I don't think the team is in such a position where they can go with "he'll do" at the position. Better off using a good import rb and throwing the scraps at some other position.

He's got a work out some time this week. If that doesn't result in an offer then the Laurent sweepstakes begin. I saw one article valuing him at $150K. I hope if that's true that the Bombers at least show some interest and put in a contract offer. He'd be a big piece on the DL. He won't be a replacement for Doug Brown (no one really could be) but he'd give us some roster flexibility. Ted Laurent signing with the Bombers would make instant fans of Walters by all and sundry here. Now, if only Christo Bilikudi returns to the fold...actually, he was never in the fold. I said to Noeller a while back that if Bilikudi or Mulumba wanted to go and get themselves cut from the NFL that'd be a huge boon to the Bombers.

I'll stop hating the minute you stop defending.... Ain't gonna happen, right? You're the only guy I know who wished Mack was back or didn't get a chance to get things done after 3 1/2 seasons. You're like Goebbels with the propaganda. Defending comes after the initial hating. Stop with the hyperbole and I won't have to defend anything right?

There's Iso thinking clever pictures are a substitute for well looking at thing objectively. Hate on man, hate on. As soon as you stop with the irrational hatred I'll stop telling you that you gotta cut that out. We get it, the teams record was terrible, doesn't mean everything the guy did was wrong.

Iso just doesn't like it when anything other than "Mack was the devil" is posted. Fair and balanced opinions? get em out of here the guy was worse than Hitler.

but the team was lacking everywhere.... You know what the truly worthwhile parts of the team were when Mack took over? Doug Brown and Brendan Labatte. One guy retired and one guy wanted to go home. There were holes everywhere.

I don't agree with that though, this team needed NIs at every position they were in no position to be picking and choosing positions to draft. Where I would say Mack made mistakes are obviously hiring coaches and that he seemed to prefer to have backups who would play special teams as opposed to special teamers who would be the backups if that makes sense.

I love how people discredit every good selection made by Mack. There were tons of people that wanted guys like Sisco and Scott Mitchell picked over Watson and Henoc. The problem is those were the only two good selections. well I don't believe that's correct but whatever. I suspect if you looked at macks draft record it would be on par with other gms in the league. I feel Mack's biggest flaw was inhuman patience. He was acting as if he had 10 years to build a competitive team. Too many projects, too many guys who had to return to school, etc. The most damning fact of Mack's reign was Chris Kowalczuk staying here as long as he did. Here's a guy who's 29 years old who hasn't progressed beyond being the 7th(?) O lineman in his time here and yet he's still on the team. Eventually you have to cut these guys loose and get some new blood in there. I just don't think the NI or drafting was something that is a valid criticism. He liked his athletes that's for sure, the problem was they never developed which to me is a coaching problem and that was Macks biggest flaw. Didn't hire the coaches who could develop his projects for him.

I love how people discredit every good selection made by Mack. There were tons of people that wanted guys like Sisco and Scott Mitchell picked over Watson and Henoc. The problem is those were the only two good selections. well I don't believe that's correct but whatever.

years of neglect mostly.

I have a feeling you're wrong. You know a safety is a DB, right? Yeah I am well aware of that. You're more likely to see 4 NIs on the OL than 2 at db.

2002 I still think was the year they should have won it, but man you lose Stegall before the playoffs, Roberts gets hurt on the first play of the game in the west final, I think Doug Brown was playing with a high ankle sprain too... just too many of the stars hurt at the worst time. And the crazy thing was, had Chad Plummer not dropped that deep pass on the final drive we probably kick a field goal to force overtime. Quite the accomplishment considering the score at the half. Yeah after the way that game started and the guys that were missing to get that game within 3 was an accomplishment. 2001 they obviously should have won but 2002 to me hurts more just because I think it was a much more dangerous team and really the last legitimately top teir team they really had. The offense could seemingly score at will, the defense was still solid. Haven't seen a team with balance like that since I don't think.