17to85

you know what, I'm not going to be surprised to see the ticats win this one... They've done OK against Toronto this year and I just saw them on sportscentre pulling the "no one gave us a chance so **** you all we're going to go win this game" card.

I would think Crowtons deal expires this year anyway. Don't assistants usually get 2 year deals?

And Joe Paopao wasn't too good

Here's the ones I can think of: Dunigan Lancaster Milanovich Hufnagel Jackie Parker Trestman (a QB in college) Any others? Dunigan was a failure under bad circumstances and Lancaster was initially a disaster but became a Grey Cup winner in Hamilton. The others all have been pretty good, though Parker didn't win any Grey Cups as a coach. kent austin seems to have done ok for himself. Grey Cup in Saskatchewan and hamilton seems to be doing ok this year.

which would also happen to coincide with when Denmarks game started to fall off the map right?

Just for comparisons sake, Corey Chamblin didn't have a hell of a lot more coaching experience before he got the riders head job. 1 years as defensive coordinator and several as just a positional coach before that. Being a good coordinator really doesn't always translate into a head coach, there is a slightly different skill set required. I don't know if Khari has that skill set or not, but bottom line if they do hire him they better hire good people around him regardless of how good he is or isn't cause a rookie always needs a good supporting cast.

coaching to realize he was better suited to slot and that he needed some coaching to get better at his waggle. I mean seriously, how does a guy not get coached on that when he's been in the league for 3 years?

That's really what it comes down to, we really don't know a lot about Kharis ability as a coach. QB coaches are very much behind the scenes kind of guys and he only had that one year as an offensive coordinator. Based on what he was like as a quarterback though... there's a lot of intrigue there. Plus your point about maybe getting Ray to post again would be most welcome.

yeah Bauer did a lot of good for this team... but then he got so caught up in his legacy of being the guy to bring the Grey Cup back and he started making crazy decisions and it set the team back. It's a damned shame that they didn't win in 01 or even 07 just cause I think a Grey Cup in either one of those years would have calmed down a lot of the crazy around Winnipeg.

and that right there was a problem Burke had with many players. Elliott, Goltz, Denmark, probably a lot more that we aren't even thinking about too.

but it wasn't unsucessful either. I mean it was Kevin Glenn in Hamilton let's not forget. They were a decent offense if memory serves. Nothing outstanding but not terrible either. I don't think that's so bad considering, especially for his first go running an offence.

The funny thing is that Reeds best stint coaching might well have been in Winnipeg cause the defense was generally pretty solid back then.

i dunno man... i look at who the 24 nominal starters would be and only see a handful that i would "just have to" keep. think about it. The team was 3-15 this year. That people really believe they were just a competent QB and better Coach way from being a contender is a remnant of the IMWT era. How can you possibly evaluate a roster properly when the coaching was so poor and the quarterbacking so bad? Here's an example, Clarence Denmark. Everyone was ready to run the guy out of town as a useless bum but then a funny thing happened. Bellefeuille took over the offense and Max Hall started to play qb and Denmark is the teams best receiver and looks like he was back into the form he showed as a rookie. That's not even going to a great OC and qb either, that's making the switch to a mediocre at best OC and a qb that even his own coaches and managers call a maybe backup qb! Across the CFL rosters don't have that much difference, the reason some teams are good and some not is always always always related to the coacing and the quarterbacking. Is Calgary really THAT talented a roster or is their coaching staff just good enough that every player they bring in is well prepared to play? They're winning all these games lately with Kevin Glenn don't forget. Now I got nothing against Glenn, he's a solid qb but he's not a superstar. Calgary has the best coaching in the CFL IMO and because of that everyone they put in their lineup looks like a good player. Meanwhile in Winnipeg we had the worst coaches in the league AINEC and few players looked good. It's not a coincidence. There are some holes on the roster, but there would be a lot less and they might even be ones that a team can overcome with quality coaching. And hell who's even talking about being a top team in the league? Good coaching would at least make the team competitive.

We need more talent on the O-Line too though. They won a hell of a lot of games in 2002 and 2003 with a poor offensive line... why? well mostly cause they had a damned good quarterback and the coach was a pretty good one too.

i dunno man... i look at who the 24 nominal starters would be and only see a handful that i would "just have to" keep. think about it. This whole line of discussion is absolutely ridiculous. Outside of a teams top players the bulk of the imports in the CFL are largely all interchangable pieces and the difference between every single team is comes down to 2 factors, coaching and quarterbacking. You get those two things and a team can go from **** to champions, isn't that right buddy?

The truth is somewhere in between. We had a combination of the worst talent in the league & a bad coaching staff, possibly the worst in the CFL. Edmonton's in that conversation; Reed seemed to lose his sanity as the season went on and made some very strange decisions. His "consequences" rant is up there for the worst coach media scrums I've ever seen. 17to85 wouldn't (couldn't) answer the question so I'll put it to you, what other team's roster would you take ours over? It's a bullshit question and you know it that's why I didn't answer it.

Why in gods name would Tillman be an option to start with after the hatchet job he did in Edmonton?

ahh yes, advocating private ownership while bringing up an example of terrible private ownership... It's not private vs. community owned that's the issue here, the issue is that they gotta stop making bad decisions no matter how the bills get paid.

And anyone who thinks coaching wasn't the single biggest issue with this team is similarly out to lunch. What other team in the CFL would you take our roster over? Did I say that the roster was the most talented in the league? I said coaching was the #1 issue and it was. It made the talent that is here look much worse than it actually is.

And anyone who thinks coaching wasn't the single biggest issue with this team is similarly out to lunch.

If he gets a real good solid staff around him I don't see why he can't be successful. He's a smart guy and his team mates all said he was a hell of a leader, but he's such an unknown as a coach right now just really looks bad and is a big gamble. I think I'd be much more open to that gamble if it hadn't been such a **** show the last few years.

Hell with regards to Creehan I think after the past 2 years his shot at ever being a DC again is pretty much nonexistant so why don't we keep him as linebackers coach? He did well at that and I do think the linebacker play was better this year than last so..... what if?

Whoever it is I hope there's more experience there then Walters. Still not sold on him. I would prefer more experience too but the more this drags on the more it seems like Walters is going to get the job.

I saw it posted somewhere by someone else that summed it up best. Any potential GM that wanted to keep Burke as head coach was a poor choice for GM anyway.

but to get technical, you still got an interview based on knowing these people right? So that is getting points for prior relationships. It's just the way the world works. It's not what you know it's who you know.