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orrrrrrrrr and call me crazy here, this is being blown out of proportion and is just a guy ribbing someone that he used to play with? I dunno what's going on but my theory seems far more likely than a guy going out and trashing an ex team mate publicly like that.

Remember when I said that Wally wanted someone with some experience at third string who can come in and play just incase something happened to Lulay and Demarco couldn't handle it being so inexperienced? Yeah people mocked it, but maybe they'd like to retract those opinions now?

in BC he's not going to be annointed the starter, he's not going to be getting all the reps with the first stringers in practise and then getting hurt in the game while the young backups go in with inadequate preparation. I know you are hanging off Pierces nuts real hard, but his being here and being annointed the starter did do a lot of damage to the team. It held the offense back by preventing it from moving forward. Yeah no one ever said it was Pierces fault... but that doesn't change the facts that I'm damned happy to see him gone. This new management has realized the mistakes made in the past and are correcting it. Pierce was a mistake. Not the initial signing, but sticking with him for so long. It takes a very high level of delusion to not see this.

Wild is just one of those guy who is always in there where the ball is. Lotta hustle, lot of effort, every team needs a bunch of players like that. That sack he got on Durant was a thing of beauty. Really made sure that Durant felt that one for the rest of the game.

I don't think there's anything he can do short of pulling off a great blockbuster trade for a prime time qb. Every GM of a losing team brings in guys who start making an impact, yes even Joe Mack did it for all you haters. When you're so far down as the Bombers were there's nowhere to go but up and I simply don't trust the "imrpovements" that come in the back end of a crappy season. I got nothing against Walters, but if he's the GM next year it's a total gamble and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. Much rather see them do the complete process and turn over every stone looking for the absolute right guy. If it winds up being Walters after that search then so be it.

yeah and that's why a bunch of people were fired. Doesn't mean Pierce was playing good at the position though, in fact just the opposite. He did more harm than good. Yeah it's not his fault they chose to keep him but that's really not the point. He held back the development of a new qb just by being here and being annointed the starter.

but for the past 2 years he's done more harm than good to the team on the field.

And that makes you a fool. If you can't see that the dbs played a heck of game in addition to the d-line getting at on of pressure you're hopeless. You see a lot of the times this year when people have been screaming at a lack of pressure it's not really a lack of pressure, it's a lack of coverage giving qbs targets before the rush can get there, not today. The dbs didn't give up much of anything. The only effective play the riders offense had was durant scrambling because the coverage was there, especially by Suber who had a heck of a game that everyone except you seems to have seen.

why would it sting? We already saw one GM get fired cause he picked Pierce over Elliott, Wally wants to put Buck on his roster that's his decision, doesn't mean it's a smart one.

The secondary was okay because Durant was under so much pressure. I can't honestly think of a single play Suber made today that warranted any praise. What I don't like about him is how he seems to arrive late and then pile-on head-first just to make his hair extensions flop around. He might think it looks cool but I think it looks ridiculous. Then try harder. I can think of two late in the 4th quarter where they tried to get Dressler the ball and Suber was there in good coverage to break it up. I can think of one where the receiver had to knock the ball away from him to prevent a pick, I can think of a knockdown... Suber was good today to suggest otherwise is just ignorance.

what the hell has lefevour done to even be ranked?

And they have the balls to say that they listened to the fans when designing the new jerseys... Reebok can go **** themselves. Give us the royal blues permanently.

Suber is a bum when he had a damned good game? Did you notice Dressler doing anything today? That's cause Suber was doing his thing. He's had a real tough year to be sure but today he was real good.

Gotta think this is the precursor to a NI REC for NI OL deal perhaps. That's what I'm thinking... does Poblah have enough value to someone? He's the one I'd be most willing to lose.

So we now have quite a lot of NI receivers kicking around... someone on the move out?

no quarterback likes to get hit and it really seemed to me that the one that turned things around was when Wild got a good hard shot into Durants ribs. After that he was done mentally.

well guess that explains the elliott release.

when that defense flies around the field they are a lot of fun to watch.

it's long past time that Alberta passed some laws to make it legal to beat obnoxious rider fans to death.

I feel like we've been through this before. I didn't want Elliott tossed away without allowing him to compete in camp. However, based on what I saw of him I didn't think he had much more upside. Ignore the 9 game issue. I was only trying to say I think Goltz will be ahead of where Elliott was at the 9 game mark, but I apparently didn't word it very well. Our team averaged approx. 18 points/game with Elliott. He had two games that were way better than what Goltz has shown, two that were way worse, & the rest have been more or less the same. Given the obvious advantage Goltz has in his overall physical attributes, I consider him to be a better prospect. I guess my main point is that they'd already invested time into Elliott, he was more ready to start games than Goltz was... Now we've got a qb who needs more time still (and I agree that Goltz looks like he's got some real potential) it's just that we would have been better off starting Elliott this year than Hall or than Goltz and it quite frankly doesn't matter if Goltz winds up better than Elliott long term because short term the team is worse off for it.

so 9 starts is enough to judge whether a guy can be a CFL qb? Get real. What's the correct number? That wasn't necessarily what I meant anyway. It was the comparison between Goltz & Elliott that I was referencing. but even using that comparison! 9 games is enough for Elliott to be thrown on the scrap heap? That's not even a full season! I don't think there is a magic number but it's more than 9 ******* games on a team with plenty of other issues. People are too quick to throw people away here.

so 9 starts is enough to judge whether a guy can be a CFL qb? Get real.

just to be fair I think Goltz can run the playaction effectively as well, but really it should be the easiest thing in the world to make play action work on this team. Opposing defenses are so keyed on the run game it should work all the time. The key to play action isn't running the ball a lot, it's having a successful run game so the defense has to respect it. Our run game on the whole would be considered average I believe. overall you may be right, but with the Bombers, it's not about the run game being successful, it's about teams having absolutely no respect for the passing game and knowing that if they stop the run the Bombers offense is dead in the water.

just to be fair I think Goltz can run the playaction effectively as well, but really it should be the easiest thing in the world to make play action work on this team. Opposing defenses are so keyed on the run game it should work all the time.

That BC team really lacks punch offensively. Lulay is running for his life and his receivers just don't seem to be doing enough for him... and someone needs to file a missing persons report for Andrew Harris. Might as well have not even dressed for how much he was used.