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I think they biggest problem with the offense, and has been for quite some time is that they lack an identity. What kind of offense are we running here? Are we a running team? Well we try and run but don't vary it up much, are we a quick passing team that gets guys into space and gets them balls quickly? Again they try but the blocking isn't there and the qbs don't make enough of those quick throws and the receivers don't do enough. Are we a big play team? Well we kinda were for a while but haven't seen much of that lately. They gotta figure out what they do well, or even what they want to do well and build the offense around that and go from there.

where is this coming from? This was still his first contract right? 2+1 as opposed to 1+1 no?

I lost it in that BC game when Goltz had Simpson all alone standing on the sideline and he one-hopped it in front of him. Just inexcusable at this level. Also inexcusable were the lacklustre efforts by receivers on catchable balls. I mean sometimes qbs miss throws, especially young qbs who are facing a lot of pressure (and all our qbs are facing pressure) To me it seems very overblown. I'm not saying he's a super accurate thrower who can make 100 throws and only miss a couple, but I don't think it's to the point where it's a huge problem at this point either. Now maybe it's not right for this team where our receivers aren't doing a damned thing to help anyone out and we run so few plays to start with but on a more normal offense I think it's good enough.

Thumbs up for that. Naturally would be better if they just let people do their own tailgates but in this day and age there's no chance of that happening, but hey better than nothing.

It just really seems to me that this whole "Goltz has no accuracy" thing really exploded after he missed Matthews on that one throw in BC. If we're using one bad miss to jump on a guy then I don't think there's a qb out there immune from that criticism save maybe Ricky Ray but Ray is just a freak.

Or, this wasn't actually the standard letter that Hamilton uses, and they did in fact try to pull a fast one on Williams and his unregistered agent. It's easier for me to believe the Ti-Cats are shifty swindlers than it is for me to believe every single one of their contracts is faulty and have been since 2011. It's much easier to believe that this is one player desperately trying to fight his way out of a contract using any means at his disposal.

With Ray you can actually build an offense around what he does well, the way the D played in the 2 games against Montreal I have no problems saying they'd have won those two games, they would have beaten Hamilton in week 3 most likely as well, probably woulda beaten BC also. So that's at least 4 wins, never mind how many other games might have changes with a more efficient offense. I have no problems saying that if you put RIcky Ray on the Bombers they're a playoff team this season, the east is that poor.

Didn't it? In Reeds first year weren't the esks into double digit wins? If that's not a coach riding the Ray train then what is? Edmontons been pretty devoid of talent for a while, Ray was the only thing keeping them afloat. Oh sure...but then there were the 2006 and 2007 seasons where they missed the playoffs. Point is, teams that are poorly managed won't have a good season even with a proven QB. but sometimes that proven qb keeps things from looking even worse than they are.

I only call the third year bogus because Hamilton, through some shady and evidently improper methods, tried to have a third year tacked on to his contract following Chris Willams' Rookie of the Year season. If Williams knowingly agreed to a 3 year contract before he ever set foot on the field, then I'd agree with everyone who says he welching on a deal and is a puke and yadda yadda harrumph. But that's just not what happened! In what world would Chris Williams, coming off his rookie of the year season, have agreed to a third season without so much as a raise? Lots of teams try and get guys coming up to sign a 2 years plus an option (ie. 3 year) deal just so that if they happen to break out like WIlliams did they're under contract for longer. It's pretty common actually. Williams signed it and apparently either misunderstood what the option year meant or just wanted out anyway.

holy hell have we ever overblown the accuracy issues of the guy... Good lord people.

Didn't it? In Reeds first year weren't the esks into double digit wins? If that's not a coach riding the Ray train then what is? Edmontons been pretty devoid of talent for a while, Ray was the only thing keeping them afloat.

well that might be going a little far...

I am just curious to know why this team hates Goltz so much. Out of the three has the best physical skillset (obviously you need more than that) but he also provides a lot more flexibility in the game plan. Boltus possesses a similar skillset and they just brought him in, yet Goltz doesn't get any love. Tin Foily time, they're trying hard to distance themselves from Joe Mack to curry favour with the unruly masses.

are we putting more of the blame on the offense then? How about a dominant defense that gave up 2 seperate big play touchdowns? How about a blocked kick for a TD? There were lots of issues for Winnipeg that day. Hell the way the game started it looked like it might be a short day for the bombers. 3 times early the bombers moved into field goal range but rather than being up 9-1 they were up 4-1. Gotta admit that it's a totally different game with one score vs. the other. The real shame was 2002 having Stegall hurt before the playoffs and Roberts get hurt on the first play of the west final. That's your 2 most dangerous weapons out of a game that you lost by 3 points.

Denmark has been one of the better receivers for the team this year, yes it's not a very high bar we're setting but it is what it is.

I wouldn't want WIlliams here because of this crap he's pulled with his contract. I don't care how talented he is if you don't honour your contract to hell with you.

at this point I've stopped caring what guys get brought in, I just want to see some wins already.

wasn't a strong arm but it was good enough, fast enough to run when he needed to, certainly a lot faster than the likes of Ray or Calvillo right now. Lots of ints sure but a hell of a lot more TDs and a hell of a lot of wins in his time as a bomber qb. When speaking of receivers just think about 2002 for a while... Jones through 46 tds, almost enough for a record, Stegall had 23 but one was from Barnes so 22 from Jones, that still leaves 24 tds for Jones, only Calvillo threw more than 24 tds in 2002, that's a staggering number. even without his top receiver Jones was still top 2 in td passes. Not to mention that Charles Roberts was in double digits in touchdowns as well. People maybe forget what happened to his shoulder in his last bit of time here. It was damaged and never able to recover properly. It's also worth pointing out that in Calgary he did have some success, the problem was that he was brought in by Dunigan and when he was fired they wanted to turn the page completely and with Jones being one of Dunigans moves he had to go to make way for Burris. Bottom line people who don't think Khari was a very good to great qb are morons.

Lucky for the Argos it's only 6 weeks. Wouldn't want to be heading into the playoffs with a raw qb.

Khari Jones was a damned good qb, a damned good qb. Yeah Stegall had huge numbers, but he didn't get those lofty totals with any other qb throwing him the ball. As always it's a two way street with qbs and receivers. Great qbs always have great receivers because they throw them passes that let them make plays. Khari knew that if the safety was blitzing that Stegall or Bruce or someone would be open deep and he put the ball up for them to make a play on it. Yeah he threw a lot of ints, but a lot of that was simply putting a ball up and letting the receivers make a play and it wound up scoring more touchdowns than ints. It's a great shame that he never had a top notch offensive line to play behind and that it caused his shoulder to be buggered up and shorten his career. A real leader on the field too. I had thought that after this much time people would have stopped this nonsense about him being carried by his receivers when they looked back at the play from the position since he was here and what Khari accomplished.

ehh seems like they're just grabbing anyone and everyone with some experience at this point.

but if the db had made a tackle on Milt no one would be talking about that play call at all.

Seriously you necroed a thread just for that?

That's all I want from the season at this point, go in and beat the riders and kick the ant hill and watch the ants scurry about.

probably not if his first football experience was with Detroit.