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even when there were 2 passes that blatantly are dropped by receivers that would get you first downs and allow you another series to get yardage in addition to the yards those passes would have added on to the totals? This isn't just on the qb. when you have 12 yards passing safe to say it's a collective pants shitting.

Would think that this goes back to the whole thing when Walters first took over and said he contacted every team and basically put up the open for business sign. During those talks Wally probably got some kind of indication about what types of deals Walters was looking to make or would be willing to make so he went ahead and acted on it.

Woodson going to Toronto frees up a spot for Foster nicely.

Simpson is legit, no runningback would be having success in Winnipeg this season.

And what a sack that was. I woulda given it to Wild myself but I've become a bit of a fanboi of his the last whie. Turner woulda been an awesome choice as well.

could have picked any of a number of players on the bombers for defensive player of the week.

I hope they are looking for a Woods replacement....at least until Woods comes back. I know Will Ford brought that kick back for a TD...but he's no Aaron Woods. ford doesn't even do punt returns if I'm not mistaken. That's all on Johnson and sometimes Washington.

This guy return kicks at all? Could they be looking for a woods replacement?

Like how you told the truth about how Wally was using Joey Elliott? Given that he's brought in Pierce to be experience doesn't that lend some credibility to my thoughts on the matter? Doesn't that fact that he held on by a thread as the third stringer for less than half a season tell you what he thought of him? Wally want's pierce and doesn't want Elliott, doesn't that tell you something about Elliott? or more importantly the accuracy of your assesment of him? That Wally wanted a change at the position does not negate the premise that Wally wanted some experience at 3rd string.

With the Riders losing to the Bombers, could this be the week the TSN2 Fans Choice Game of the Week tonight is not a Riders game? haha the one time I'd actually watch a rider replay.

I'm a big boy, I can handle the criticism, bring it on.

Well in the case of Durant specifically, he's a lot stronger so he's harder to bring down for sure.

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Like how you told the truth about how Wally was using Joey Elliott? Given that he's brought in Pierce to be experience doesn't that lend some credibility to my thoughts on the matter?

Did anyone else who listened to the coaches show notice that Tim Burke really emphasized that Parenteau can play centre? It makes me wonder if they are considering moving Sorensen out to guard or tackle. No, I don't think Sorensen is losing his job. Parenteau being able to play centre means we don't have to dress Kowalczuk anymore. Pencer can play instead. I don't know if I would call it "losing his job". More like getting moved over to strengthen the right side of the line. Sorensen has tackle experience. Would be interesting to see something like January-Greaves-Parenteau-Kowalczuk-Sorensen, with Pencer as the sixth man. Not saying it's going to happen, but the way Tim Burke was talking it sure sounds like there is going to be a bit of a shuffle going on the OL. Sorenson has bad tackle experience... Hell the only place he's managed to stick in his travels around the league is in Winnipeg at centre. Most likely scenario is Parenteau simply plays guard, Kowalczuk is no longer the 6th ol and Pencer is.

You can be the real deal and be overhyped. He had a lot of success early, but now that teams have clued in you see what the Bombers did, take away the riders run game and make them beat you in other ways. HIs on pace numbers were unsustainable just because no runningback goes through an entire season putting up that kind of yards per game without defenses saying "OK let's focus on stopping that guy"

however Durant did also get sacked 8 times... Perhaps you're guilty of remembering the times Durant was able to get away and for Goltz you're more focussed on the times he was caught.

Conventional wisdom was that MItchell was the guy to take #1.

I think all anyone is saying is that of the options we have available to us Goltz right now is the most multidimensional and provides the most options to the offense and the most for opposing defenses to worry about. For me personally I don't have enough faith in the receivers or the o-line or the gameplan to make enough plays even if Hall is a significantly better passer, at least with Goltz there's the chance he'll take off and get some first downs with his legs.

Goltz, going to assume the bombers can get into scoring range.

I can't think of any trades Mack ever did mid season.... I might have the blinders on here, but I seriously can't remember ANY trade that Mack did.... Jyles to Toronto, trading picks to move up in the draft 2 years ago, there were some others that I can't quite recall right now. Trades aren't commonplace in the CFL though so not sure that means a hell of a lot.

Now you're moving the goal posts a bit... you said he can't read defenses but now it's just that he's a terrible passer... What exactly makes Hall a good passer? What makes him so much better a passer that it negates the huge advantage Goltz brings with his ability to run? We're not talking about the difference between Ricky Ray and Nealon Greene here, we're talking about which qb benefits the Bombers more.

If you'll all remember Muamba was a pain in the ass to get signed intially as well. Guy was always going to be a tough sign, I don't doubt that the Bombers will show him the money, it's just whether or not he wants to stay here or if he thinks there's some other offer out there that is better.

really? You think he's bad at reading defenses? I don't see that, I don't see a lot of bad decisions passing the ball out of him. Maybe it doesn't always work but that has a lot to do with some of the other issues on the team. I can think specifically of a ball that went straight through Edwards hands at a first down marker, I can think of a ball that bounced off Kohlerts chest close to a first down marker... I think his limitations as a passer are somewhat overblown by some people. I think the overall package that Goltz brings is superior to Hall right now simply because opposing teams have to defend more aspects. No matter who goes in the passing game we have won't beat anyone, Goltz legs might open things up enough though to scratch out a win. 2 of 9 at halftime for 12 yards tells me that he can't read defenses. Those drops you speak of were made up later by a couple of circus catches by his receivers in the second half that never should have been completed. that's ridiculous, every other qb gets the benefit of his receivers making unreal catches too why shouldn't Goltz be able to benefit from it as well? Those stats say nothing about how well he can or can't read a defense because there were the two drops I mentioned in there (seems to me that he put the ball where it needed to be there) Hell that one in the endzone to Denmark with a review might have stood as well changing the stats. You are reaching awfully hard to make Goltz sound like a worse passer than he actually is. He may not be the most consistent passer out there, but the entire package is the best that any of the current Bomber qbs have demonstrated.

why do you keep saying this? There was nothing sudden about it. His game has been trending downwards for a number of years now and many people saw it.