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well anderson for one hasn't done anything when he has gone in, doug pierce hasn't taken the next step like he was expected to either, if guys like that aren't taking advantage of their opportunities then you have to bring in new people who might.

you can tell he knows it by all the excuse making he's done since Mack was fired. The whole "crowton is picking qbs" to "doing the best with that I have" and all the rest. He's a dead man walking desperately trying to save his own hide while the team crumbles around him. How long until the players give up completely if they haven't already? How ugly is THAT going to be?

but at least Elliott and Brink had shown that they could win with this team. Hell Elliott showed a lot of good things in this offense compared to everyone else who has done the job the last few seasons. Burke didn't make the right choice and that's on him. Part of being a good coach is making those correct calls evaluating players. It was a big failing of Jim Daley and apparently Burke falls in the same category.

Yes there is. He's certainly not the best coach of all time, but the group that's been given to him to lead is an absolute dumpster fire. Mack left him with little talent to work with, and Burke has made it worse by not surrounding himself with good coordinators. That's a recipe for a train wreck season. Does Burke have any less talent than Mike Kelly did? Does he have less then Reinbold did? To me Burkes performance is less about what he's got to work with on the roster and everything to do with how out of his element he is as a head coach. The team got tremendously worse as soon as he took over, he can't make a decision to save his life, he horribly misjudged his preferences at quarterback (why do we all blame Mack when the coaches are the ones who ran Elliott out of town and expressed their love of Pierce) Burke is just a terrible head coach and I don't think he'd win with any roster in this league.

and if I hear Burke complain about not having a qb I'll lose it. He ran out guys who at least showed they could win with this bunch.

Wiecek doesn't know enough for me to take what he writes seriously.

I normally agree with you but I've had it with the lack of accountability for Burke. No one seems to be taking him to task for the utter crap we've witnessed in his time as head coach. Hell there is no way he should have been hired based on last season let alone given the entire year this year yet hardly anyone is holding his feet over the fire for it. We went from a competitive team that played not to lose with Lapolice to a team that more often than not just rolled over and died with Burke. That's not all on the talent because a lot of it is the same talent. Now either Lapo was a great head coach or Burke is just that bad and I don't think Lapo is that great of a head coach.

I'm convinced of it, though I'd say that DIckenson is a quality coach, he's shown it everywhere else he's been so I'm fine keeping him, the rest of them though.... I dunno no one on this team has really taken a step up from when they first arrived.

worth noting that as little as 2 weeks ago everyone was convinced woods was no better than any other returner we've seen.

Mike Kelly was a bigger problem as GM than he was as a head coach. As a head coach he might have been successful to be honest, it was just the OC and GM roles he failed so hard in.

and Boatman is one of those players cut adrift from another team that people scream they wanted Mack to sign too. Honestly though I want to see what the o-line looks like with a different guy coaching them. As much as I can tell from watching on TV I haven't seen DelMonaco make anyone better in that position in his time here. Having had the chance to watch Calgary's OL (live) twice this year, I can say that there is an OL that dictates the flow of the game. Ours isn't close to doing that. And why can't ours? They're all big athletic guys (this was Macks preference for every position, big and athletic) so why aren't these big strong men able to simply move people out of the way?

you don't have to hire the interm guy the next year, that's just a thing that the bombers do cause they're cheap and lazy. at this point losing Burke is in my mind addition by subtraction. The team is already a mess and it was a mess from the get go. They're rolling over and dying every week anyway things won't get worse.

Do you really think so? Jim Daley in '05 had a much better QB (Glenn) than anything Burke has right now. That '05 team was abysmal. and what's this team? I honestly think Burke is the worst head coach I've ever seen on this team.

Exactly, it's not a fair evaluation for the players when the coaching is this poor.

So you were all fired up to turf the GM which actually does do nothing to fire during the season but you think it's best to wait to fire the head coach who has seen the team roll over and die on him more often than not? How does that make sense?

and Boatman is one of those players cut adrift from another team that people scream they wanted Mack to sign too. Honestly though I want to see what the o-line looks like with a different guy coaching them. As much as I can tell from watching on TV I haven't seen DelMonaco make anyone better in that position in his time here.

no sellers in 2001, but there was a whole host of other top notch players there in addition to those guys,

who's judging the guy based on what happened in that one game with Winnipeg? The guy has a pretty sizable body of work in the CFL. He was OC for one of Calvillos worst years in Montreal, the offense he ran in Saskatchewan wasn't anything to be concerned about... He's not the kind of coach you go out of your way to keep. If you have nothing else he might serve as a stop gap but we can do better for next year.

But I'm sure that Ritchie had some crazy contract - like if he had a winning season, he got an automatic extension - that drove Bauer nuts.... that's why when we had a slow start, Bauer pounced... am I wrong? I think it was just that if in the first few years he hit a certain amount of wins an extension kicked it, it wasn't something in perpetuity or anything. Bauer jumped because Ritchie was hired before Bauer got there and they were two stubborn guys who were clashing.

Yeah the reason Bauer and Ritchie were at odds cause Dave Ritchie was a stubborn old cuss who wanted to run the team his way... and Lyle Bauer is a stubborn old cuss who wanted the team run his way.

why are we keeping bellefeuille? He hasn't proven to be anything more than mediocre at best (if you want to be generous to him)

But that was also the logic behind Lapo hiring Reed, Walters, Barresi, etc... good working relationship - except somewhere at some point you need support staff with real CFL experience at their position - Lapo's crew had CFL exp but all of them got promotions at once... so all were learning together, it just doesn't work Burke did pretty much exactly the same thing... except with less CFL exp... just can't figure out how we didn't learn... Lapo was never hands off with the offense. And most of us on the message boards wanted to Lapo to be more hands off with the O. Now we want our current HC to be MORE INVOLVED with the D. Dunno, the assumption Bomber fans always make seems to be 'the guy doing it doesn't know what he's doing' well one of the reasons for that is that the D sucks but Burke has proven he can run a good one. Lapo never did that here with the offense. Plus Burke has said he doesn't know anything about offense so it stands to reason that he should then focus on what he does know.

That's the "we're really really sorry you have to polish this turd all the time" bonus.

Unfortunately I think the #1 issue for the team has been Burke, but due to circumstances he's sort of immune to being fired.

well the logic behind creehan was that he and burke did fine work together in the past, but burke appears to have taken a real hands off approach which isn't working.