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and that they can't take penalties...

He's a maniac.... that team needs a change at head coach or it won't get any better.

god I hope so. It's to the point where I'm actively cheering for a Pierce injury because he is the worst possible option for this team right now.

nothing. Backup qbs with potential are dime a dozen I'd rather just try out the ones we have here thanks.

That was the entire idea behind cutting Elliott and Brink, to upgrade the backups... so if these guys are better than the ones we had last year why aren't we playing them when our starter is playing as bad or worse than anything we got last year from the position. Burke is going to cost a lot of people their jobs if he stubbornly sticks with an obviously finished quarterback.

well I think that was a case of a GM letting his coach have the guy he wanted, but Joe Mack isn't a dummy, he knows where his team needs help and if push comes to shove I think he will tell his employees just what he thinks of that qb. Pierce is a great guy, they gave him a chance to redeem himself and he dropped the ball, they'll move on, the only question is how long it takes.

that's the only thing keeping butts in the seats there I think. At least they get to watch some first overall picks put on a show.

This is a championship calibre defense, I can not see the management of this team letting the poor play at qb drag it down all year.

Parker was doing so well at linebacker, that is a real tough injury to take at this point in the season where we basically need the defense to be perfect to have a hope in hell of winning.

and you know that the worst part is? You and I and many others knew this about Pierce last season if not sooner and we knew this would be the result of sticking with him! If we average schmucks can see that Pierce is not a good qb anymore why the hell can't our coaches see it and move on? If Goltz and Hall aren't able to play then why the **** did we cut two qbs who had at least won games as starters to make room for them? Right now I just want to see someone else in there just to see what they can do.

even when Elliott was throwing those ints in the redzone... at least he was able to move the ball! 2 and outs are as bad as turnovers when the kicking game is having that kind of night! This defense is so good... just give them a break now and then!

I think there is cause for concern in Edmonton too... and it's not just related to the Esks, with the OIlers being as poor as they have been as well the sports fans in that town are giving up on the local teams since they're both such a mess.

you can go ahead and say it, Pierce is done as an effective qb in the CFL. The longer we stick with him the bigger the hole.

well if they stick with Pierce they'll be unemployed come year end, I think they'd rather try and spin it as "we knew Goltz was the guy all along" then get fired.

I think Goltz will be OK just because he's althetic enough that he can improvise a bit if the pressure gets there.

problem is there's no offense that fits pierce anymore. The mistake was keeping him in the first place and there are lots of us been talking about that since it happened as a huge mistake.

Than Pierce? me too, but he'd have trouble facing the pressure as well, just that he moves better than pierce. Elliott though would do well in this offense cause he was a quick passer, this O is basically made for him.

I'd agree. I don't think Reilly is all that hot as a passer either... but at least reilly can use his legs to make some things happen that pierce just can't do anymore. Sure wishing We'd kept Elliott instead of pierce at this point. THANKS BURKE!

but this topic is an old one right? so page 2 took place a long time ago.

thanks to a 70+ yard td run from Simpson... The problem here is that PIerce is not a good fit for the offense Crowton has put together. He's no Calvillo and never will be. He can not read and throw quickly. At his best Pierce was a guy who extended things with his legs or just tucked and ran. But he can't play like that anymore and the idea to protect him and make him a pocket passer while a noble idea is just a mistake at this point. All it does is turn Pierce into a sitting duck because he can't play that game anymore. The catch is that he can't play his game anymore either so they just need to get rid of the guy and get someone who can play some type of game.

on point one, it wouldn't surprise me, that's what happened when montreal wanted to stop pierce. send pressure he is useless. as for Etienne shouldn't be that much of a surprise, pierce has always used the SBs more effectively than the WRs.

The real depressing part was that he basically tossed pierce under the bus for how he played... and THEN said he never considered pulling him! How on earth can that even be?

just makes me angry. Any other position on the team plays that poorly the backup would go in but noooo can't pull pierce, he's just too good compared to the backups. Sickening. If the backups aren't good enough to go in when the qb is struggling that much get some backups who you CAN play.

we don't even need average qbing, we just need someone who can get a couple first downs throughout the game and give the defense a break. Right now what sinks this team is when the offense goes 2 and out until the 3 minute warning and the defense is just bagged.

Listening to both the coach and GM all offseason it sounded to me like Mack was willing to move on but Burke wanted Pierce. Consider what Burke said on the post game show... he flat out admitted that pierce was bad at hitting his targets and making reads... but said he never considered pulling him. Now tell me that it's not Burke that is PIerces biggest supporter. That's the frustrating part. Burke will cut the very popular Hefney when he sees his game slipping but he refuses to make a move at qb.