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despite there being a ton of evidence throughout the CFL that says otherwise?

I gotta say,listening to the cjob pregame show with a nice cold beer is a hell of a way to spend a late friday afternoon. Game days are so much better when I'm not working.

but it was firing Berry that led to Kelly and that set the team back at least 3 years. Firing Ritchie and going to Daley set the team back... that's the main point here. You may think the next guy can't be worse... but he might be. He might do long term damage to the team, like Kelly did. If nothing else, Mack is not doing long term harm to the team and is steadily improving the depth in the organization. Even if he doesn't put them over the top we aren't hurting anything keeping him around and when they decide to move on at least he's left a solid foundation for the next person to build on. That's why I advocate patience in the situation we are in right now.

clicked here thinking it was the actual game day thread (my bad for not reading clearly)

all I want to see is a win. Don't much care how, just need to see a win.

if they're as good as the hype they get protected and we leave lesser players unprotected.

then why isn't our offensive coordinator saying that those changes should be happening?

oh yeah cause a guy whose only qualifications are that he does TSNs draft coverage is a sure bet to take over as a GM. Come on give me a break here. Forde won't be the next GM anywhere in the CFL because he hasn't done a damned thing to earn that job.

there is an interesting thing going on in Winnipeg. The defense is all about getting younger and faster and replacing veterans who can't do the job... on offense it's the opposite. Veterans are given no end of slack and will not be replaced no matter how poorly they played... this is causing Morley to keep getting chances despite being terrible and hearing for a long time now how Swiston is basically just as good and pushing him all the time... so why isn't the same standard held for offense and defense?

Can't believe it's 2 years already.... man does time fly.

dare to dream but could you imagine if for some reason they both wound up coming up here? That'd be a big boon to the NI depth.

because that doesn't fit his flawed line of thinking.

and how's that worked out for the past 20 years? Haven't developed a qb in that time, haven't had organizational depth in that time... and the biggest reason for that is that coaches and GMs are fired at the slightest slip up and then we're back to starting from square one. A little patience would go a LONG way to solving those problems. Everyone bitched about them at the time, but wouldn't Doug Berry and Kevin Glenn look better than what we have now? But we don't have them because of the attitude that you are expressing here.

impossible since there is no such thing as a bad Justin.

It's not that though. It's simply more pointing out that you can't judge draft picks until a few years have gone by. Etienne was sepen as a massive bust and terrible pick at the time meanwhile everyone and their dog agreed that if Poblah was eligible for the actual draft he likely would have been the #1 overall pick. Just goes to show that I find it amazing how guys are justifying how Etienne was a good pick by throwing Poblah under the bus...really just serves to back up the idea that pre-draft rankings aren't all they're cracked up to be since a couple years after being selected one guy is starting to show that he looks like he can be a solid contributer and one guy still has a hell of a lot to prove.

Things that can be said of basically every backup qbs to come through the CFL ever. Doesn't mean guys always live up to that potential, especially when they're saddled with bad teams. There aren't a hell of a lot of 2nd chances given to qbs in the situation Reilly is in.

I think you are mistaken in what you think people think Goltz is able to do... No one is claiming him to be the messiah, just that at this point he's more athletic and seems more aware than PIerce... which is not a high bar at all. In fact it's the very definition of setting a low bar. I'll say this too. Bomber fans have a much more realistic expectation of Goltz than Stamps fans do of Bo Levi MItchell. Read a lot of comments from them lately about how awesome it is that they can throw out that many qbs who are good and what not. Bomber fans are simply recognizing that PIerce has been horrendous and see Goltz being able to move better (which is undeniable at this point) and seeming to be able to improvise when things break down better and are hoping he takes the job away.

but that excerpt only deals with one player, says absolutely nothing about what happens after a player is selected by a team.

no there is a back of the line rule. You sucessfully get a player you drop to the bottom of waiver priority. I don't think however that a lot of teams were bidding on laurent. The story was that the only team that really did a lot of legwork on him were the esks and that it was unlikely anyone but them would be taking him. Everyone else was focussed on Poblah

wow did the esks waste a ton of time at the end to call a ******* hand off in shotgun.... if that's your one play to win it all you deserve to lose.

I know people in edmonton are high on crompton, but all I see is a guy who's got the deer in the head lights look. There is no way he is ready to be in there right now.

and Reilly out of the game... but damn Mack for not giving up a first round pick just to talk to the guy

I'd like to thank the esks for making the bombers look like a cohesive team. That INT by Reilly was pretty brutal, especially the position on the field he threw it.

but come on, we can make ourselves feel better knowing that other teams are as crap on O as we are.

Discussion of our Thursday game if anyone is interested.... LOL at both these offenses.