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OR there's a third option.... you're completely clueless. Wally Buono has had by far the most success finding qbs who can play in this league and he found a spot on his roster for Elliott. He also recognized that sticking with Pierce is a mistake as well. I'll take his opinion on qbs thanks. He think Elliott is worth a roster spot that says more than what any other GM thinks. I mean Goltz has never started a game and only thrown like 14 passes in his career, and Hall has never thrown any. Until they prove something Elliott is a better option. And given how terrible Pierce has been he's not a better option either.

Think Goltz or Pierce woulda been picked up by anyone? The best QB evaluator in the CFL found room on his roster for Elliott so I'm not exactly sure what your point is... this is the same guy by the way who cut ties with Buck Pierce a few years back mind you...

sucker.

oh who's that? the guy who's thrown what? 14 passes in his career? Or the guy who has thrown none? Surely you don't mean pierce, cause you go up a little bit you'll see some stats that indicate he's as much of a turnover machine as elliott ever was.

not until we get a better option at the position.

yeah considering he's been less effective I don't mind Pierce going on, it's really the fact that there's no real veterans in there that hurts the most. In terms of the physical abilities they have I think all of the receivers that will play can do the job, but there's no substitute for someone who has been there and done that before.

I am less sure that that was a mistake, to me the mistake was hitching the offense so totally and completely to Buck Pierce. They were afraid to let him play his way so the re-tooled the offense to try and kepe him upright and it turns out PIerce can't play that style of offense. It was a mistake from square one. If you don't believe you qb can stay healthy playing the way he plays well you have to be sure he can adapt to a different style, clearly he can not. Should have stuck with the qb who excelled at times with Crowtons offense.

Never fear, Jay Detain will save the day!

which is bullshit logic. Without superhuman efforts on defense it was a blowout, you can't refuse to sit a struggling qb just because the defense is really really good. Couple first downs in the third quarter maybe the bombers win that game, but no the offense disappeared and the defense as always happens, got worn down and the team lost. We have seen that so many times in the last 3 seasons now.

I agree that they all have potential, but there's not a hell of a lot of experience out there, and that is cause for some concern.

I can remember one, when he scrambled and threw to Kohlert late against the als... I'm sure there are a few more, but I can remember a hell of a lot more times he was utterly ineffective at moving and I am sure that there are more of those that I don't remember too. Something about the sun shining on a dogs ass every now and then. That is pretty much Pierce at qb this season.

I think that if you were expecting the Argos to not have a defense in place that would account for a qb scrambling that you are very very naive.

But in comparison to pierce who has also been not nearly accurate enough... and in addition Pierce hasn't been able to escape pressure or run either. So how would it be worse? That's the point here. Pierce has been so bad in the first 3 games the whole "it might get worse" argument is ludicrous.

yeah but the argos aren't going to show up wearing pink...

So Anderson Etienne and Kohlert at SB and Pierce and Denmark at WR? Yikes.

He's a guy who really needs to step up or in my mind he's expansion draft fodder.

hurt, but he also lost his starting gig to Etienne playing well.

so what are we down? starting linebacker, 2 starting tackles, 2 NI receivers, possibly 2 I receivers, longsnapper... yeesh.

Fox creek so we're looking at a very very raw group of receivers if Matthews is out as well.

why not compare things that are comparable? Reilly put up 30 points on the ticats in much worse conditions. So how exactly can it get worse? This offense has been bad, don't confuse anything. If it was another team showing what the bombers are showing we'd all be laughing our asses off at them. The only thing making it not nearly as critical is the fact that the defense is turning in exceptional efforts and keeping things from turning into blowouts.

yeah well from the looks of things all of us were right about Pierce... so maybe you should start listening to us now? If Pierce wasn't missing so many throws of even failing to get passes off I'd believe what Burke was saying but the eyes don't lie, PIerce has played like complete and utter crap for all but a handful of drives this season. Open your eyes and you might see what everyone else is seeing. Bear in mind that Burke also mentioned how PIerce had been missing throws and missing reads as well so stop using selective things that Burke said as if it proves anything.

you should do it as well. You might find you are completely wrong.

unreal. Guy is playing great and down he goes.... really concerned about his ability to stay healthy long term.

Because there wasn't a target on Buck already? Have you been watching the same games I have? Standing back in the pocket PIerce has taken a ton of shots every game. You think it's going to get worse if he's outside the pocket? Right now everyone knows where he's going to be and can just run right there to hit him. Announcing it probably gives the argos something else to worry about leading into the game but it doesn't change anything about PIerce getting hit or teams targetting him. Guy gets hurt in the pocket more than outside it anyway so what's the worry? The plan to protect him with quick passes and extra protection hasn't worked cause Pierce can't play that game so let's let him protect himself with his legs if he can. If he can't then as a qb sad to say is will be done.

Usually you put your best guy in the slot because it does see the most passes and it's easier throws a lot of the times. A guy like Matthews though I think can be a difference maker at WR, but he could probably succeed inside as well. But really this all comes down to the offense having trouble because our qb either isn't getting the ball off in time or he's flat out missing targets too often.