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The one thing that I like about what they're saying regarding Etienne is that he's catching everything. Hands matter more than just about everything else for a receiver and it' sthe #1 thing that's keeping Poblah from being the guy everyone expected him to be when he was draftred. I really hope Etienne grabs a starting role and does well with it because it really would go a long way to vindicating the draft strategy from this team.

Well it could be a coach and GM on different wavelengths or it could indicate a team that wanted to kepe the guy because of his history with the team but said guy kept giving them reasons to dump him... I know Hefney was a real popular Bomber and one of the best on the team for a while, but the guy is also a bad attitude and we saw how that went last season... I see this as giving a guy a 2nd chance and him not recognizing that he needed to change and got released because of it. I just don't see the point in being too upset over this. I don't believe Hefney at this stage is THAT good that it's an insurmountable loss.

You know what, I got no problems giving a guy like that, who was arguably the teams best defensive player for a couple seasons a chance to change his ways even if it costs some cash upfront. Hefney was a damned good player for the bombers. Now whether they should have cut him outright or if they coulda leveraged a token draft pick out of some team or not is a different matter entirely.

you know what, if Hefney isn't willing to do what the team feels is in the teams best interest then you really have to part ways with the guy. Yeah he's got talent.... but me first players need to be replaced with guys all pulling in the same direction.

all you need to know right there.

The amount of times Burke talked about how the secondary needed to pick it up or he didn't like the effort from the veteran dbs you had to expect something like this happening. I really don't think that this had anything to do with the pot bust, I think they were just looking to make a change at db from day one and Hefney was the guy they put on notice and he didn't respond in the way they wanted.

your argument falls flat based on the fact that the blitzing immediately stopped after Buck was pulled. You should just accept the truth of the matter, Jones wanted to hurt Pierce in preseason simple as that.

yeah guys, Jones is the best coach in the CFL!!!!! well except for Milanovich! They don't even need to pay attention to the other teams, they just go out there and be awesome all over the field!

Yeah I don't care how bad the team looked, I mean rider fans are super pumped about that game last night but I saw a couple real sloppy teams that were lucky the other teams kept making mistakes... The things I'm concerned with are things that we talked about a lot in the offseason. Whether Burke is the man, Pierce being back, all that kinda stuff.

but ultimately, if a team so completely fails to show up it reflects more on the coaches than the players. obviously the players played badly... but why did they do that? Gotta blame the coaching first and foremost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx32b5igLwA

are you including the entire year or just looking at how things went towards the end of the season? Because to the start of the year it was horrendous, but it did get better as the year went on, and the sooner Swiston pushes Morley to the sidelines the better it will be.Saw a much improved running game as the season wore on as well. Looking at where they started the year and where they finished only a fool would dismiss the dramatic improvement.

Well if you're any indication you're all such raging homers convinced that Barker is god and Milovich is Jesus to start with I doubt anything changes no matter what happens in a preseason game.

pfffft in preseason? Burke flat out said that they didn't have any of their protection schemes in. Never mind that the idea behind taking pierce out was just the fear of him getting hurt which is an entirely different set of problems. But if you think the bombers o-line isn't getting there then you weren't paying attention last season.

I think the o-line is coming along actually.

yep this game should at very least give some perspective to bomber fans about how preseason can look.

which I always assumed was because he was buddies with Geroy but maybe he's got more friends there...

This will come across badly to most people as well but I much prefer Glenns attitude to Hanks as well. Glenn is just the quiet even keeled guy, but I'd take that over how much of a phony Burris is. Burris talks a great game... until something goes poorly then he pouts and whines and points fingers. I tell you I can appreciate the local sports team a LOT more with Burris gone.

Is that a way of saying Burris is a better athlete and is more capable of physically imposing himself on a game? cause yeah, obviously. But Hank is still as big a choker as Glenn. Burris may have much higher peaks, but the lows are every bit as low and show up at the exact same times.

Sure I can. There were some damned good stamps teams that Burris crapped the bed for in the playoffs. Hell that's the biggest reason I have Durant ahead of him, Durant often beat him in the playoffs in Calgary. Burris got one Grey Cup out of a lot of good stamps teams, even Glenn has a couple grey cup appearances to his credit and he may well have won one as well if not for a broken arm in 2007.

To me the qbs in the CFL go like this currently: Ray, Calvillo, Lulay, Durant, toss up between Tate/Glenn and Burris, Pierce, whoever the esks settle on. Burris can look great, but he's inconsistent and as much of a choker as Glenn is. There's a reason the stamps traded him.

Just telling you how they think. One of the things that happens when you go to university in Western Manitoba and then move to Calgary is that you meet a lot of rider fans and learn how they think about that team... it's really something. and honestly, I think you might be selling Durant short a bit. I have a hard time putting Burris definitively ahead of him, but then again I don't think a lot of Burris and I don't think Durant is THAT far behind Lulay either, just that the Lions are a better team. Hell I even forgot about the stamps... Durant gotta be ahead of those guys cause Tate still has a lot of prove and Glenn is Glenn.

But rider fans consider Durant to be a top teir qb, comparable with the Rays and Calvillos and Lulays, they consider their 0-line to be one of the best in the league, they consider their rb one of the best, they consider their d-line, especially with chick one of the best. I don't think you understand just how biased they are... Remember these are the fans that used to crow that Szarka was just as good as Mike Sellers... Hell I remember in about 2003 a rider fan telling me that Nealon Greene was just as good as Khari Jones!

you're missing green coloured glasses. the homers in that province always think their team is the greatest team in existence.

and even before the fumble there was an atrocious missed tackle by someone.