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This club, this organization is just a ship of fools. From top to bottom. I don't know how to react. Nothing surprises me anymore.

For me, it was Kenny Ploen, Dave Raimey, Ken Nielsen & Phil Minnick.

That's all well & good but the team has to win. Can't expect any fan to keep supporting what we've seen on the field, especially since 2012. Or attract new ones, especially kids. Winning solves everything, naturally. This is about what's in our control that is targeting the younger demographic, which is what the thread is about, is it not? In the cold, clear first light of day....

This is such a bizarre subject that what is there to say?

Cheer if not for any other reason other than you want to support your team. We don't need a team of Stegalls or Robertses to get fans excited. I'm usually a pretty good reader but did I just read what I thought I just read. Yep, I did. Where's the blue koolaid?

That's all well & good but the team has to win. Can't expect any fan to keep supporting what we've seen on the field, especially since 2012. Or attract new ones, especially kids.

I think people have serious delusions if they think MOS firing 3 coordinators in less than 2 years won't send out negative vibes in the CFL coaching fraternity & cement the image of the Bombers as an organization to stay away from if anyone wants to further their careers as an assistant coach or coordinator in this league. So, the people who want MOS to stay as HC for continuity purposes because we won't be able to attract quality head coaching candidates if he's fired yet want Bellefeuille gone are naive,Ibelieve. No quality assistant coach or currently employed OC now in the CFL will want to come here when we our current head coach has gone thru 2 coordinators already. It'd be easier to get better coaching talent if MOS was fired & we started over as at least we'd have a clean slate. But we know that won't happen. Don't expect a miracle hire for OC when Bellefeuille is canned. Basically, an OC will have to fall into our lap much like Ritchie Hall did when he was let go in Saskatchewan. Someone unemployed looking for work. No one from any good team doing well will come here.

I have nearly 50 years invested as well. You've made some very good points. We have both seen the Bombers win it all, an honour that not all fans have experienced. It occurs to me that I may never see another championship. Not that they won't win one, but that it may not happen again in my lifetime. That is a hard pill to swallow. It makes me cherish the ones I have witnessed all the more. It also makes me even more angry and frustrated with the ongoing futility of this organization. Got the same feeling you do. In 1990 when I was 35 I never could have guessed that at age 60 this team wouldn't have won since & are just a shadow of the team it used to be. And we have fans here saying we have to stay the course keeping the same people that are proving that they can't build a winner employed.

At first overall or 9th overall, odds are solid we get a legit oline prospect as long as we draft the right guy. Also, Wagoneer has been a monster on the teams from what ive seen, always down field fast and making hits. hes also looked adequate in minimal reps on defense. To say we shoulda done this or that is pointless because we hypothetically could have a ratio breaking player in an uncommon position. Worth a first rounder in my books everytime. Only drawback is there is guarentees. We coulda kept the pick and watching him excell elsewhere while our first overall oliner is off to the NFL or a bust as well.. Cant really make a claim to wasted pick until a few seasons go by. Didn't say he was a wasted pick, SpuDS. far from it. I said that our #1 priority is the OL & now losing the second to fourth pick we probably lost an OL prospect who might have started. I doubt the 9th player selected, especially if he is an OL will be good enough to start. If anything he will be a developmental player. Waggoner is a decent player but our needs are on the OL first.

you know what changes those close games to wins? A capable offensive game plan and a healthy starter.. or even a capable backup running a good offense.. This is why Oshea has support. Remains to be seen. I also don't think MOS has that much support. It's Miller & especially Lawless talking through his hat saying the Bombers can't make changes. We already know Wade won't fire MOS as head coach so most fans are resigned to having him around at the start of the 2016 season. If they keep this regime even with an OC change we'll see how people vote with their wallets purchasing season tickets next year. As Cody T said, he's 23 & his friends laugh at him because people his age think the team is a joke. The Bombers will lose an entire generation of fans if they keep dicking around the way they do.

We know this. It;s not news anymore. 's just getting tiresome. Blah, blah, blah. I don't like this anymore than anybody else but the CTF always comes out after a federal election to whine & *****. Or their provincial affiliates after a provincial election. Well, I never hear these guys ever do anything but complain. Never heard of them ever having any influence on pension reform in the H of C. The MPs the CTF endorse mightily always end up ripping off taxpayers when they retire or get defeated. Working for the CTF is a pretty easy job if you ask me,

Our biggest problem isn't linebacker it's the OL. By picking Waggoner in the Supplemental Draft we don't have a chance to get perhaps the second pick in the CFL draft which will probably be an offensive lineman. Walters over estimated the talent on this team thinking we'd be a playoff team. Now we probably lost out on a first round player who could have helped immediately on the OL like Chungh did this season. We lost a possible starter for a backup linebacker. Just puts our OL another year back in development which is why I didn't like the decision.

I always felt the 18 game schedule is too long & should be cut back to 16.

Del Rio better watch his temper. He's getting a second chance. Just can't see him as a face. It bombed the first time.

Isn't that where we found Justin Goltz? It's where the Lions found Jonathan Jennings & Mike Reilly.

If I was the scouting dept I'd be all over the lower D1 FCS schools & D2 schools trying to find players. Waiting for the guys at the All Star college games like the Shrine Bowl may take years. There are some great athletes playing at those levels. I'm hoping we'd be all over that.

Goveia runs most of the free agent camps. If that's all he does it's a waste of money. I would hope he's on the road trying to find players as well.

He hasn't even been a defensive coordinator. He was a STC & that's it.Reinbold 2.0 Yes, I think Reinbold was just a STC when he was hired by the Bombers.

We never hear anything about Goveia. It's like he's invisible. McManus is the face of the scouting dept.

To me, Walters is a huge disappointment. He was supposed to be this CIS guru who knew players cold. That is why he was hired as GM. However, our drafting record isn't much better than Mack's. The US scouting dept was supposed to bring in players as we expanded the dept but other than three or four players they brought in it has been a failure. As far as the quarterback position goes it has been an exceptional failure as McManus brought us Brohm, Portis & Marve. And they sat pat all last season as their evaluations felt they were better than they actually were. When Willy got hurt that blew up our season. It was so bad that we had to trade to get Nicholls. Wade Miller set this all up hiring Walters. He has to answer for the mess he created. Miller should be just as accountable as much as Walters, McManus & MOS.

Too bad I can't give you more than one like on this post as you nailed the problems with this team to a tee.

I agree, that a loss is a loss in the standings. But if the team is playing hard, in the game for 4 quarters, and has a chance to win at the end, I enjoy the game. Falling down 20 points and then bringing the score close in garbage time is not a game I like to watch. Certainly, but at some point you'll stop caring as you would have seen it too many times.

Things are marginally better under MOS. We lead the league in moral victories. To me a loss is a loss. Whether ugly or not, still a loss. This team fights to the end, yes but they still lose. Next year, they may quit under MOS if the losing continues.

We are definitely behind the rest of the league in that department but we don't have a GM/PP guy with extensive connections in the US like everyone else does. Our scouts are basically on their own to develop that system which will take more than a year to do if we stick it out. And whose fault is that??? Why should we be behind the 8 ball trying to rebuild after 2013? That's on Wade Miller.

He hasn't even been a defensive coordinator. He was a STC & that's it.