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For me, Calvillo is a surefire top 5 guy. it goes Flutie, Ray, Calvillo, with Moon slotting in there somewhere based on reputation. I only really got to see Moon play a couple games in 1983 when the Eskimos were (finally) declining, so I can't say. I think Ray gets the nod over Calvillo because Calvillo always played on stacked teams in a weak division, so it's tough to tell how big an impact he was really having. Ray made bad teams into mediocre teams, and he made good teams into champions. He's also a great playoff performer, going 3-1 in Grey Cup games. I think that Dunigan's durability issues takes him out of AC's class. AC was super durable. Dunigan also has a similar Grey Cup record to AC; he was great at winning finals (going to five Grey Cups) but not so great at winning them (he technically won two, but his first, in 1987, was really Damon Allen's victory. Allen was fantastic in that game). I think Dunigan was a more exciting player to watch, by far, but if I had one game to win, I'd chose Calvillo. Garcia had a nice couple of years in Calgary but I don't think that's enough of a body of work to put him in with the all-time greats. Clements I don't think is in the same class with those guys -- he had his moments but he doesn't feel like an all-time great to me. Played in the weak East for a long time, and only got to a couple of Grey Cups. He won 'em both, though. Where does Dieter Brock, the Dan Marino of the CFL, fit into this? All good points but let's deal with your question about Brock & Marino first. Both those guys never won a championship. Both went to one in their respective leagues & are arguably Top 10 but because they never won a Grey Cup & a Super Bowl but can't break into that elite Top 5. Brock may not even be a CFL Top 10 in qb my opinion sliding in 11-15. . He needed a Grey Cup to do that. When Tom Clements broke into the CFL in 1975 the East was strong with Ottawa & Montreal dominating. He won a GC with Ottawa in 1976 beating a veteran laden Saskatchewan Roughriders team. Clements came to a strong West Division in 1983 with the Bombers after bouncing around with the Riders for a disastrous half season in 1980 after being cut in Kansas City the year before. Clements was traded to Hamilton during the 1980 season after which he led the Ti Cats to a first place finish in 1981. The Esks with Warren Moon, the Lions with Roy Dewalt & the Bombers trading Brock to Hamilton for Clements all were GC winning capable teams. So, I'd say for the majority of his career, Tom played on some strong teams in the stronger division. To me, he's Top 5. Speaking of Moon, he led the Esks to 2 Grey Cups out of the 5 straight they played from 1978 to 1982. Athletic & a gun for an arm. Definetly Top 5! Johnzo he was as good as you've heard & read. Another Esskimo great who definetly is in the Top 5 was Jackie Parker. As great as he was at qb, he could alsoplay receiver, running back & defensive back just as well. Probably the greatest pure athlete to ever play in the CFL, he definetly is a Top 5 CFL qb having led the Esks to 3 straight GC's in 1954, 55 & 56. Jeff Garcia's time in the CFL was short but he was a fiery leader much like Matt Dunigan. He threw for over 500 yards & 6 touchdowns in his first start ever Labour Day 1995 vs the Eskimos & led the Stamps to the GC in 1998. His 3 1/2 year body of work as a starter in the CFL & his corresponding play in the NFL for a decade & a half tells me he would have been one of the greats up here had he stayed. Because he only played such a short time as a starter, he's Top15, not Top 5. Flutie? His record speaks for himself. Greatest qb who ever played up here. And seven seasons is a long enough body of work to judge. He deserved every accolade he got playing in the CFL. You have to put Matt Dunigan in the Top 5 easily. Won 2 Grey Cups, had that phenomenal record setting passing day chucking for over 700 yards & as fiery a leader as I've ever seen. The man was simply great. Calvillo, he quietly went about his business & became the CFL passing leader. he had many, many great performances but to me, all time leading passer he definetly a Top 15 guy but I can't see him Top 10. So, my Top 15 CFL qbs in order from 1-15. Feel free to debate my choices Top 5 qbs from 1-5 Flutie Moon Clements Dunigan Parker Top 10 from 6-10 as follows: Ploen Ray Lancaster Jackson Zuger Top 15 from 11-15 as follows: Calvillo Allen Garcia Kapp Faloney

Goltz, ugh!

That ship has thankfully sailed....

Read a story yesterday that Sherman is surprised at the reaction to his interview on Fox last Sunday. Doesn't like being called a thug. Nope, I'm not going to find a link because I just don't feel like it. (He's still a ******).

I think an inexperienced American DC can adjust better to the CFL than an inexperienced OC. Just the motion & rules, etc. Offense is a whole different situation. Tim Tibesar is an interesting option. Who knows, maybe Orlando Steinhauer will come available?

The Bombers have to spend $$$ to get good players. If they don't we won't. Simple as that. Different regime. Mack's gone so reason for optimism.

When a qb throws for just under 80,000 yards he's had an outstanding career. It's true that for years, the Als played in an weak division but... he still did a helluva job. That being said, AC is in the Top 10, maybe even Top 5 all time CFL qbs but as I posted earlier, Fran Tarkenton was once the NFL all time leading passer until Dan Marino & Warren Moon came along. AC is similar. Great CFL qb but to me not the best... I'd take Doug Flutie, Warren Moon, Tom Clements, Ricky Ray, Matt Dunigan & even Jeff Garcia over him. But hey, the guy really had a great career so let's not take that away from him.

Whatever it was, Calvillo didn't go out on his own terms, that's for sure. But his legacy is cemented as one of the greats. He still lost more GC's than he won. He has the CFL passing yardage & completion record but so did Fran Tarkenton in the NFL at one time & he was 0-3 in Super Bowls with the Vikings.

As Bomber fans, forget the Certificate of Entitlement, we all deserve the Medal of Honour.

Sorry wasn't targeted at you. Was more of a general comment about Bomber fans. Okay, appreciate that. Sorry I lashed out.

Oh, for God's sake, gbill what a stupid comment. I "own the team" because I said they could send out a press release? Give me a break.

So what, SPuDs? They know fans want to know who the DC is. Especially with the rumours saying Etcheverry has been hired. If it wasn't important, people wouldn't be talking about it. The media is tweeting & fans are talking about it. If Etcheverry has been hired then the Bombers should just send out a press release. How hard is that?

So, is the Morning Big Blue's version of the Richard Sherman debate? Pro athletes are judged by their words & actions. That's what the negative comments are about. There's absolutely no way Calvillo did whatever he could to help Dan Hawkins win. He got pissed off because the losing made him look bad & he didn't like that. I expected a lot more from a 20 year veteran. Having said that, he had an outstanding career. I wish him all the best in his future endeavours.

Don't know why Walters & O'Shea have to wait until they get home to announce assistant coaches. The Bombers have people who send out news releases. Just send one out. Then when the guys get back, have a presser.

Skip Bayless isn't much better as a journalist(?) but if Sherman thinks this interview somehow makes him look better, then he isn't very smart, after all.

I think the Rick Stubler signing in Calgary really threw him off his timeline. Ugh, Etcheverry? My Gawd.

The expansion draft "killed" the Bombers?? Will that mean we'll have to change the name of this site to Mourning Big Blue? Only decent Canadian receiver we had & he was drafted. Just thinking about it made me frustrated.

I would take their boring wins and Grey Cups over the ****-show in Hamilton any day. Really ? LOL! That's funny!

I hated the Ottawa expansion draft. Leave it to the CFL to prop up that team in a city where the CFL failed twice & kill a struggling team like the Bombers. The good teams had depth to cover their losses while our cupboards were pretty bare. Can't blame Walters losing Kohlert as he followed the same formula other teams did protecting their signed players but yet we were the only team to lose a pending free agent. Seems so unfair.

Great career but I agree that he should have retired after his last GC. He wanted to break more records. Hate to say that about a player but as Mike said, he never did anything to let his backups play. Trestman may have wanted to keep him in, even when the Als were up by a lot of points but he could have pulled himself anytime he wanted to let other qbs play. He didn't want to.

Their construction camera on the Ti Cats website has been down since before Christmas. One Ti Cat fan who is a facebook friend of mine scolded me for asking if the stadium will get finished in time after he posted his own pictures a few days ago. He sounds like a lot of us did 2 winters back when rumours of construction delays here started to surface. I also check the weekly updates at the stadium in Ottawa on the City of Ottawaa website & it looks far, far from being completed as well. http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/planning-and-development/transforming-ottawa/stadium

Throwing temper tantrums didn't help. He looked bad.

To me, as the years went on, Calvillo seemed to take on a more greedy persona. Didn't want to come out of the games, sitting by himself on the sidelines, seemed to be obsessed with smashing CFL passing records. Now, maybe I'm wrong & he is truly a great team guy but the perception was that he played for himself. last season, Under sad sack & clueless Dan Hawkins I think his true colours came out. The waving of the arms, pointing of fingers, the yelling on the bench, the pissed off body language on the field & refusing to take responsibility when the Als lost.... Dan Hawkins may not have been a good CFL coach when he was fired but AC did absolutely nothing & I mean nothing...to help him as his starting qb to become a better coach. Calvillo threw his former coach under the bus. That, more than anything made me lose a lot of respect for the guy. Still, I'd take him as a qb coach & see how he does.

Logan, if he comes here, you'll find out. And I think I did post in the wrong thread... Sorry. Oh well, be warned.... LOL!

As the CFL has no policy on lawfully illegal substances like weed like the NFL does, I think it's probably safe to say that if a test was brought in suddenly & our players were tested, probably 60% of them would be suspended... Not debating the drug issue here or whether or not illegal drugs should be tested on CFL players, I'm just stating a fact I think would be accurate.