Mr. Perfect

Unable to do so as he is still property of the Riders.

Great post. That being said I still believe paying a soon to be 39 year old wildly inconsistent quarterback is extremely short sighted even if it doesn't handcuff us financially. I just don't see the point in investing money in a QB that by the time he is ready to ride off into retirement, the team will be in a position to compete for a championship. I think it also delays the development of whoever will be #2 on the depth chart for the season whether that be Willy or someone else.

Bombers offer for Burris is two years and "well over" $300,000. Wow.... http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/bombers/First-Take-Bombers-cant-chase-signing-Burris--243333831.html

Cheers. Thanks for proving my point.

Just like it's a lock that we're getting Burris for a discounted rate as you put it, even though he is looking for a raise compared to his last contract in Hamilton, right? Who is going to pay him more then what he made in Hamilton last season? If he is wanting $300 000 as you suggested.... how will those other teams be able to pay him when they already have QB(s) making starter salary?? Depends what their cap situations are and if they choose to ask someone to rework their contract or cut them free. As I said yesterday (and confirmed in the Free Press today if you have a look where it says right in the headline) Burris is not coming here cheap if he even comes here at all. Whatever bids he has on the table will only continue to increase until us and the three other teams interested (Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa as reported a number of times) submit their final offers. Burris is in the position of power here. When you have 4 of the 9 teams in the league bidding for your services, it puts the player in a great position to make a lot of money. It's not science.

Mr Perfect believes that Edmonton may go for Burris based on them having a new coach? I don't believe this is true at all , but if it were to be true my thoughts would be that Reilly would then become expendable and we could swing a deal for him since the odds of Edmonton wanting to pay $300 000 for 2 QBs would be extremely low. I would LOVE it if you could show me where I said Edmonton's reason for pursuing Burris was because they have a new coach. What I did say was, and has been noted in print as to why Edmonton is also pursuing Burris is because there are people within the Eskimos organization who apparently are not sold on Reilly. Who those people are exactly we can speculate on all day, but I never once mentioned Chris Jones being the reason why Edmonton is talking to Burris. So what happens to Reilly if Edmonton is not in favor of keeping him. What other teams would be willing to trade or sign him at his starter salary dollars? Quick make a list of teams looking for a starter! What other teams were interested in that guy last year when he was a FA... HMMMMMM We'd be interested in Reilly sure if Edmonton wanted to cut ties, but what at all does your last statement have to do with me asking you to prove where I said Chris Jones was the reason behind Edmonton going after Burris? You REALLY need to stop making garbage up and pulling statements like that out of your rear end.

Just like it's a lock that we're getting Burris for a discounted rate as you put it, even though he is looking for a raise compared to his last contract in Hamilton, right?

Mr Perfect believes that Edmonton may go for Burris based on them having a new coach? I don't believe this is true at all , but if it were to be true my thoughts would be that Reilly would then become expendable and we could swing a deal for him since the odds of Edmonton wanting to pay $300 000 for 2 QBs would be extremely low. I would LOVE it if you could show me where I said Edmonton's reason for pursuing Burris was because they have a new coach. What I did say was, and has been noted in print as to why Edmonton is also pursuing Burris is because there are people within the Eskimos organization who apparently are not sold on Reilly. Who those people are exactly we can speculate on all day, but I never once mentioned Chris Jones being the reason why Edmonton is talking to Burris.

Burris looking for MORE money than he was making in Hamilton. So much for a "discounted price".... http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/bombers/burris-shopping-for-raise-agent-243172971.html And the Bombers offer to Collaros was around 250 K http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/bombers/spurned-blue-shift-focus-to-aging-burris-242888141.html

Says who? Or are you just assuming and making things up on the fly again? Says you!! You wrote - > Again, I'm aware of that, but I think it would be a shame if bickering with Henry over X amount of dollars ends up costing us someone like Henoc. I find your posts to be far from Perfect.... I'd say you're more Brooklyn Brawler with the continuous fails that you make. So this team now has 3 qbs under contract... none of them are making "big money" .... They offered Collaros more money then Hamilton ..... so for some reason you don't think they cant use that same "pot" of money to put towards Burris???? This team is loaded with young guys are very few "big time all stars" so how is it that a team like Calgary can afford to re-sign Tate and Mitchell and sign a cfl vet for a 3rd stringer and yet still be able to pay big money for their all stars like Cornish , Lewis and so many others...... yet Winnipeg wouldn't be able to sign Burris (at a discounted price) and Muamba??? I love how Winnipeg's salary cap is apparently only 20% the size of every other teams..... Having the right mindset isn't always the popular mindset. Now, coming from a guy who was serious about inquiring about Steven Jyles last year...pot meet kettle. Someone like Henoc is an EXAMPLE hence why I said "someone like". The cap will go up, and probably a decent amount because of the new TV deal. The fact is, is that guys like (but not limited to) Turner, Vega, Edwards, Banks, January, Henoc (if he signs) all get paid handsomely. If the team decides to pursue top tier free agents from other teams they will also get paid handsomely. If you think Burris is coming here at a discounted price, you are kidding yourself since there have been reports he has offers in excess of $300,000. Granted that's fair market value for him, and that price will continue to climb as teams continue to negotiate. You're kidding yourself, and frankly making a fool out of yourself (again) if you think Burris is coming here at a discounted price. I never once said Burris signing here would cost us Muamba. I suggested as a hypothetical (that isn't too big of a word for you is it?) that it would be a shame if a band-aid solution in Burris ended up costing us "someone like" Muamba. But hey, keep making yourself look silly, I'm certainly not going to stop you. Once again how does every other team manage to sign free agents while having a high priced qb and lots of other all stars on their team...... you are making yourself look silly. Burris has to come at a discounted price.... using your ridiculous theory how could any other club in the CFL "afford" Burris at a high price when they already have a QB on their team making big money. Discounted price is still higher then what Hall or Pierce was making last season... but it's not like he is going to be making the most money in the league considering he was dumped and his *only* chance at starting is with Winnipeg. Turner, Vega, Edwards, Banks, January, Henoc ???? How did Saskatchewan manage with Durant, Sheets, Dressler, Getzlaf, Geroy Simon, Labatte, Picard, Chick , Foley, Hall etc.... How did Calgary afford Glenn, Tate, Mitchell, Cornish, Lewis, Hughes, Simpson, Tsoumpas etc... But apparently from your theory us signing a bunch of average guys equals us not being able to sign both a QB and one NI LB.... it's hilarious. This team *should* be able to sign a whole crap load of players considering we were the youngest team and we by far had the cheapest set of QB's across the league last year. So many guys on entry level contracts and so few big time players. Again, since you can't read very well, where did I say we won't be able to add pieces - it was posed as a hypothetical - NOT stated as a fact that we wouldn't be able to. Why does Burris have to come at a discounted price? Because you say so? You really don't pay attention very well do you? Our offer to Collaros was in the neighborhood of $250,000 - If you don't think Burris is getting offered AT LEAST this much you are out to lunch. Again as i said, reports have said he has offers exceeding $300,000 dollars. That is not a discount rate - That is what someone like Burris should command on the open market. Burris is in the position of power here, we are not. He may come here at the end of the day, but in no way, shape, or form will it be at a discounted rate. Winnipeg is not his only chance to start. He'll start in Montreal and he'll start in Edmonton as well. He isn't being pursued by others to sit on the bench. That statement of yours in itself saying Winnipeg is his only chance to start shows exactly how out to lunch you are. Both of those teams have made offers, that's been reported. It's also been reported there are people within the Eskimos organization who are not sold on Reilly. You don't have MULTIPLE offers exceeding $300,000 to sit on the bench. Period. I'll also bring to your attention the following tweet from Milt Stegall, who just maybe has a better grasp on the team than you do given his connections to the club... "Milt Stegall ‏@MiltStegallTSN Jan 31 @DoorMatt95 @24banks @henryburris @Wpg_BlueBombers after signing Korey and Henry I don't think much money is left" If that is so difficult to comprehend, then i don't know what to say for you, and feel rather sorry for you.

Hopefully one of those interested teams is Edmonton, and then maybe we can get Mike Reilly instead. Sure, I'd be totally down for that if it happened. I have no issue paying top dollar for a QB, I just want it to be for a long term fix and not some guy that will win us a couple extra games and ride off into the sunset come 2016 or so.

Says who? Or are you just assuming and making things up on the fly again? Says you!! You wrote - > Again, I'm aware of that, but I think it would be a shame if bickering with Henry over X amount of dollars ends up costing us someone like Henoc. I find your posts to be far from Perfect.... I'd say you're more Brooklyn Brawler with the continuous fails that you make. So this team now has 3 qbs under contract... none of them are making "big money" .... They offered Collaros more money then Hamilton ..... so for some reason you don't think they cant use that same "pot" of money to put towards Burris???? This team is loaded with young guys are very few "big time all stars" so how is it that a team like Calgary can afford to re-sign Tate and Mitchell and sign a cfl vet for a 3rd stringer and yet still be able to pay big money for their all stars like Cornish , Lewis and so many others...... yet Winnipeg wouldn't be able to sign Burris (at a discounted price) and Muamba??? I love how Winnipeg's salary cap is apparently only 20% the size of every other teams..... Having the right mindset isn't always the popular mindset. Now, coming from a guy who was serious about inquiring about Steven Jyles last year...pot meet kettle. Someone like Henoc is an EXAMPLE hence why I said "someone like". The cap will go up, and probably a decent amount because of the new TV deal. The fact is, is that guys like (but not limited to) Turner, Vega, Edwards, Banks, January, Henoc (if he signs) all get paid handsomely. If the team decides to pursue top tier free agents from other teams they will also get paid handsomely. If you think Burris is coming here at a discounted price, you are kidding yourself since there have been reports he has offers in excess of $300,000. Granted that's fair market value for him, and that price will continue to climb as teams continue to negotiate. You're kidding yourself, and frankly making a fool out of yourself (again) if you think Burris is coming here at a discounted price. I never once said Burris signing here would cost us Muamba. I suggested as a hypothetical (that isn't too big of a word for you is it?) that it would be a shame if a band-aid solution in Burris ended up costing us "someone like" Muamba. But hey, keep making yourself look silly, I'm certainly not going to stop you.

This is all part part of the negotiation process. Patience.I'm well aware how negotiations work, but being a rebuilding team, a 39 year old QB come training camp needs us a hell of a lot more than we need it. The money can better be used elsewhere.On what exactly? QB is easily the most important position and biggest need for the Bombers.I'm not disputing that it is our biggest need. That being said the goal of a franchise is to year in and year out be a championship contender. At 39 years old, Burris does not give you that. This is about the bigger picture.You can do both, and that's what Walters is working towards. It's not short term OR long term.Walters is working to build a competitive team for next season (Burris etc) and long term (Willy). Again, I'm aware of that, but I think it would be a shame if bickering with Henry over X amount of dollars ends up costing us someone like Henoc. I'd be more than happy to go into the season with Willy as our QB. Sure he may not have the statistical season Burris may have in 2014, but you have your long term QB and you accelerate his development in the process.I'm confident signing Burris will have no impact on our ability to sign Henoc. And I just don't see your logic of going with Willy in 2014 when we can get Burris to fill in for a couple years to allow Willy to develop and to fix the OL.The Bombers need to win NOW. Now isn't the time to be developing another QB. Ticket sales would plummet and set the franchise back even further. Burris and Willy give the Bombers the best of both worlds. Under your logic you want to give up on Burris because he's taking a few days to make a decision and get a few more dollars out of the Bombers. I don't understand your logic, it's very short-sighted. On the contrary I would argue your logic is very short sighted. Why do the Bombers need to win now? They don't need to necessarily win now, and frankly to expect them to win now is a bit foolish. Walters has a massive mess to fix in front of him. What they do need to do in the immediate term is be respectable on the field, something that can be done without Henry Burris.As I said before, the goal of any franchise is to be a championship contender consistently. Signing Henry Burris does not do this. The only thing signing Henry Burris does is MAYBE if you're lucky get you to 7-11 or 8-8 this year. Starting Drew Willy accelerates his development and his him even more ready for 2015/2016 than he would be when Burris is gone when this team is finally ready to contend if the powers that be play their cards right. My logic has NOTHING to do with giving up on Burris because he's taking his time to decide. My logic has to do with the fact that between now and whenever he makes his decision the dollars on the table are bound to go up with all the teams he is negotiating with. That money can be better spent elsewhere on more LONG TERM investments that will go towards making the Bombers a championship calibre team year in and year out. I truthfully do not care if we lose out on Henry Burris. I do not see him as some big prize. What I do care about is having the money tied up in a band-aid solution for a couple of extra wins when that money could better be used towards players we are interested in retaining from our free agent crop, or signing free agents that would be long additions such as a Josh Bourke, Shea Emry, Craig Butler, or a Nick Moore just to name a few. All of those players would be MUCH smarter, long term additions than a soon to be 39 year old QB with a shaky track record at best looking for one final pay check that isn't going to bring us any closer to being a consistent Grey Cup contender. You don't get it. If Bombers don't start winning some games now, our new stadium is going to max out at 22-25k fans per game. How's that going to impact the long term sustainability of the team. If we don't start winning we will never attract free agents. And do you honestly think Bourke, Butler or Moore are coming to Winnipeg? They aren't. The Burris short term and Willy longer term strategy is a sound one. The short term success Burris will help us obtain will help us in the long term. It will make us a respectable organization once again, in the eyes of outsiders. And you don't get what it takes to build a championship team year in and year out. The stadium will definitely have at last a 25K average next season with or without Burris. A new regime, a young QB who looks great when he takes to the field is enough reason for optimism, nevermind the attraction of the stadium itself. Willy can make the organization every bit as respectable with or without Burris. The team has already taken strides to improving how it is viewed in the eyes of players and the league as a whole and will continue to do so. It's not an overnight process where Henry is a prerequisite to make that happen. As for the free agents named - They were merely examples. We have no idea who Walters has on his hit list for free agents.

Says who? Or are you just assuming and making things up on the fly again?

This is all part part of the negotiation process. Patience.I'm well aware how negotiations work, but being a rebuilding team, a 39 year old QB come training camp needs us a hell of a lot more than we need it. The money can better be used elsewhere.On what exactly? QB is easily the most important position and biggest need for the Bombers.I'm not disputing that it is our biggest need. That being said the goal of a franchise is to year in and year out be a championship contender. At 39 years old, Burris does not give you that. This is about the bigger picture.You can do both, and that's what Walters is working towards. It's not short term OR long term.Walters is working to build a competitive team for next season (Burris etc) and long term (Willy). Again, I'm aware of that, but I think it would be a shame if bickering with Henry over X amount of dollars ends up costing us someone like Henoc. I'd be more than happy to go into the season with Willy as our QB. Sure he may not have the statistical season Burris may have in 2014, but you have your long term QB and you accelerate his development in the process.I'm confident signing Burris will have no impact on our ability to sign Henoc. And I just don't see your logic of going with Willy in 2014 when we can get Burris to fill in for a couple years to allow Willy to develop and to fix the OL.The Bombers need to win NOW. Now isn't the time to be developing another QB. Ticket sales would plummet and set the franchise back even further. Burris and Willy give the Bombers the best of both worlds. Under your logic you want to give up on Burris because he's taking a few days to make a decision and get a few more dollars out of the Bombers. I don't understand your logic, it's very short-sighted. On the contrary I would argue your logic is very short sighted. Why do the Bombers need to win now? They don't need to necessarily win now, and frankly to expect them to win now is a bit foolish. Walters has a massive mess to fix in front of him. What they do need to do in the immediate term is be respectable on the field, something that can be done without Henry Burris. As I said before, the goal of any franchise is to be a championship contender consistently. Signing Henry Burris does not do this. The only thing signing Henry Burris does is MAYBE if you're lucky get you to 7-11 or 8-8 this year. Starting Drew Willy accelerates his development and his him even more ready for 2015/2016 than he would be when Burris is gone when this team is finally ready to contend if the powers that be play their cards right. My logic has NOTHING to do with giving up on Burris because he's taking his time to decide. My logic has to do with the fact that between now and whenever he makes his decision the dollars on the table are bound to go up with all the teams he is negotiating with. That money can be better spent elsewhere on more LONG TERM investments that will go towards making the Bombers a championship calibre team year in and year out. I truthfully do not care if we lose out on Henry Burris. I do not see him as some big prize. What I do care about is having the money tied up in a band-aid solution for a couple of extra wins when that money could better be used towards players we are interested in retaining from our free agent crop, or signing free agents that would be long additions such as a Josh Bourke, Shea Emry, Craig Butler, or a Nick Moore just to name a few. All of those players would be MUCH smarter, long term additions than a soon to be 39 year old QB with a shaky track record at best looking for one final pay check that isn't going to bring us any closer to being a consistent Grey Cup contender.

This is all part part of the negotiation process. Patience.I'm well aware how negotiations work, but being a rebuilding team, a 39 year old QB come training camp needs us a hell of a lot more than we need it. The money can better be used elsewhere.On what exactly? QB is easily the most important position and biggest need for the Bombers.I'm not disputing that it is our biggest need. That being said the goal of a franchise is to year in and year out be a championship contender. At 39 years old, Burris does not give you that. This is about the bigger picture. You can do both, and that's what Walters is working towards. It's not short term OR long term. Walters is working to build a competitive team for next season (Burris etc) and long term (Willy). Again, I'm aware of that, but I think it would be a shame if bickering with Henry over X amount of dollars ends up costing us someone like Henoc. I'd be more than happy to go into the season with Willy as our QB. Sure he may not have the statistical season Burris may have in 2014, but you have your long term QB and you accelerate his development in the process.

This is all part part of the negotiation process. Patience.I'm well aware how negotiations work, but being a rebuilding team, a 39 year old QB come training camp needs us a hell of a lot more than we need it. The money can better be used elsewhere. On what exactly? QB is easily the most important position and biggest need for the Bombers. I'm not disputing that it is our biggest need. That being said the goal of a franchise is to year in and year out be a championship contender. At 39 years old, Burris does not give you that. This is about the bigger picture.

This is all part part of the negotiation process. Patience. I'm well aware how negotiations work, but being a rebuilding team, a 39 year old QB come training camp needs us a hell of a lot more than we need it. The money can better be used elsewhere.

The more this plays out, the more I'm tempted to say to hell with it and pull the offer off the table if I was Walters and spend the money elsewhere.

Would LOVE this.

Yeah it's great Nieswander has an arm. Too bad he can't read a defence to save his life, or throw the ball accurately.

Neiswander is not in Willy's league by a long shot. He's still very raw and very flawed in his game. Don't want him here whatsoever.

Two plus an option is typically the standard.

Montreal. Zurkowski said the Als would be trying for him as well.

You know, that feeling we had with Brian Clark, Richard Karikari, Greg Carr, and Marcellus Bowman where we were given every reason to believe a signing was coming soon and time kept on dragging on and on with new news until a press release came out from a different team saying they had signed the player in question? Not that losing out on Henry would be a crushing blow with Willy still due to hit free agency, but it would still suck in terms of optics for the same thing to repeat itself.