Bigblue204

Yes but you'd be insane to think it was because of his offense.

Reasons his offense was terrible: 1. Joey Elliot 2. Alex Brink 3. Steven Jyles (was actually moderately effective for only time in his career under Lapo) 4. Broken down Buck Pierce In 2011 didn't bucks play in most games? Our offensive was horrible then too.

Marcel has himself a long track record in the CFL and it's not that pretty. Mediocre at best and consider this, when he was OC in Montreal people thought Calvillo was washed up because he was taking an awful lot of sacks... Marcel gets canned and Montreal is giving up less sacks and Calvillo goes on to have several more highly productive years. Bellefeuille is not a good offensive coordinator and yes there is likely more wrong than just him, but he's a big problem and probably the biggest problem. Yup, I would give Marcel the benefit if it wasn't for the fact his entire career has played out like this. He's had all star olines and made them look bad, he's had legendary qbs and made them look bad. Etc etc etc. Marcel undoubtedly was the biggest (not the only) problem with this team.

Fair enough, and generally the CND's won't be your fastest receivers. I disagree about Moore. He was consistently behind the defence his first year here. I think if you compare our REC to anyone else, speed and size would probably be the biggest differences. You're probably right we could use some more speed on O, I'd like that speed to come in a 6'3 frame though

I completely disagree. Denmark and Moore have speed to burn, it just was never utilized this year. We need a big body out there. Preferably a big, fast body.

He's terrible. Gets beat consistently. No he isn't. You don't get that many ints, knockdowns etc when you're terrible. This is the CFL, if you can show me one DB on every team that DOESN'T get beat on a regular basis I might be swayed. You might find one in the entire league but that's it. Adams will be a solid player like he was this year for a while.

No. SSK takes that by a mile...by 50 miles. I've never seen a professional team tackle as horribly as they do. It's embarrassing just being a fan of the cfl and watching that "defence" play.

I was kind of meh about Davis, until that throw to Denmark on the wide side sideline about 40 yards down field. Davis threw that on a rope. I liked it! Thought he played well enough. Seems to be pretty smart, didn't throw to many bad balls, knew when to run and how to preserve himself. Marshall Marshall Marshall....I hope he's back next year. I thought he played very well except for that one horrible drop. Darvin Adams drops too many balls. That first ball he saw from Davis was perfect and went right through his hands, no excuse for that. I'm hoping we bring in about 20 rec for training camp to light a fire under Adams and Moore. And find someone better to play the wide side other then Bastien. I honestly thought our O might be exciting to watch today. I figured MB would have known he's done and he had better show something special to make the management at least think about at. But no, 2nd and 10...5 yard button. telegraphed runs up the middle. Lack of any consistent deep ball. MB went out the only way he knows how....horribly. Here's to a new season and hopefully a professional Offence! When does training camp start?

Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again, but life goes on.

Not sure what you're getting at exactly. But I would take Bowman over Moore no questions asked. Not Owens though. Yyyyyyyyikes...no sir. Moore has his troubles, but Captain Dropsies Bowman....don't want him back near this team. agreed! i wouldnt take bowman back after his stint here, felt the same way about kamau peterson too after he left then lit it up a bit lol when was the last time Moore led the league in REC? Or had a 200 yard game? Or lowered his shoulder and ran a DB over? Bowman has done all 3 within the last year and I believe he has had 2 200 yard games this year. Yes he's had a solid QB tossing him the ball but I see Bowman getting screens and short throws and turning those into 20 yard gains and TDs. I see Moore getting a short pass and ducking for cover. I'm not trying to say Moore is crap, I'm just saying Bowman is better. The evidence is overwhelming. And go ahead and say what you want about bowmans time here, but he showed flashes of what he was capable of. And he's career since leaving WPG has only gone up. And had we held on to him (I was in favour of cutting him at the time too) We could possibly have a 3 headed monster in Bowman Moore and Denmark.

My thoughts exactly. Willy doesn't hurt his knee that game, it's only a matter of time before he's hurt during another game. Thankfully he didn't come back this season and let MB have another chance at ruining his career. I hope come Monday, MB is no longer apart of this team.

What happened to the WR Cone??

I think Westerman has a good chance at the MOC and Bass at the ROY.

Not sure what you're getting at exactly. But I would take Bowman over Moore no questions asked. Not Owens though.

Yeah but they still have Anderson and Tunei (spelling?) soooo I'm sure those guys will make a play at some point....

That says more about the quality of our receiving corps behind Moore than a compliment to Moore. I would say that the lack of production overall this year by the receivers is more due to the lack of a quality OC and having to use back-up QB's for most of the season. If you were to extrapolate Moore’s numbers for a full 18 games, he would have close to 1100 yards for the season. That would be good enough for 6th overall in the CFL. Moore is not worth the money he is currently getting, but to say that he is not a #1 receiver is just not accurate. Does he deserve #1 money in spite of the fact that he gets injured way too often? That’s another question all together. But I am sure that in his mind and his agents mind, the answer would be yes. Agreed, I don't see anything terribly wrong with the Bombers receivers or RB's, the problems lie elsewhere in the Bombers O. I don't really agree. I think we see better production out of RB and Rec under a new OC. But I still think we are too small and too slow in the REC category. Sure Denmark and Moore have wheels. But they aren't running anyone over. Not a knock on Denmark. I really am a fan of his, but he needs a better team around him to be more successful.

Moore just isn't built for the inside slot position, he's all spaghetti arms and legs, will never stay healthy in there. Yup, and more often then not he isn't willing to put his head down to get that extra yard. I saw him run out of bounds/go down way too many times this year.

I would if the price is right. And under the assumption he knows he's the back up and the back up only.

I'd like to see Newman - simple cause he's canadian Nichols Randle Washington Shell At least until we find someone to replace him Daniels Pointbriand Marshall

Well at least I know I won't miss anything while I'm waiting for beer.

yes

Scary thing is that before Willy was permanently knocked out for the season he suffered two other serious injuries that took him out of games. His ratio of complete games vs. incomplete for this year wasn't even 2:1. Bombers are now walking in Sask's shoes, living and dying with a QB that can not be properly protected or kept healthy enough to contribute to a winning record. It's imperative that Willy's future replacement be present and productive at next years TC. Edm, BC and Mtl all found replacement QB's in first year players this season, next year the Bombers have to do exactly the same. No time left for a 2-3 year development period, the demand is now, now, now. I'm curious to see who is available come Free agency. As I don't have much hope in our Scouts to find what I think we really need. As in another Starting CDN lineman either side of the ball I don't care. And at least one stud big ******* WR. Enough of the small speedsters. I want a 6'3 monster who is going to run over DBs. Also wondering what is up with Anderson (RB), I think we released him right? Wonder if he comes back next year?

Stupid kevin glenns arm!

Step off the ledge man. It's not worth it.

The problem with this list is we realistically don't know the answer to a lot of them.... sure we can guess... but it likely won't be accurate... Even though I don't know for sure, I have formed an opinion that is likely to be very accurate. I think he's been exposed as a terrible head coach but there's no need to embarrass the poor guy any further. He's had a very rough year. I am sure he has learned a lot these past two seasons. He's got one year left. Let's see if he can put it all together next year. What do you think? Can he? All the available evidence says "no." Even with a new OC? Even with some new players? Even with 2 years under his belt? Those all exist as possibilities and may or may not come to pass. It is even possible, although horrifying to consider, that Bellefeuille could be here next year, so it could actually get worse. All we have to go on is the track record, and that does not inspire confidence. Consider how bad the DC was last year and how long it took to replace him, and the same situation this year with the STC and OC. Hall didn't become available to replace Etcheverry until the off-season last year and we made the move. If an OC becomes available this off-season I suspect we'll make the move. O'Shea refused to throw Etch, Tracey, or MB under the bus and I respect him for that. I love that he's good with the players and doesn't berate anyone in public. The important thing is the changes were made. Same with players. What I don't know is whether or not O'Shea will be replaced if a HC becomes available. We could build a dynamite team around O'Shea and still flounder if he doesn't put it together next year. A coach like Cory Chamblin has shown that he can win it all with the right team. I'm not sure O'Shea can. I'm not sure that he has the acumen to do it as a head coach. I'd bet a months salary we won't be waiting for an OC to become available this off season. MB is done. He will not be back next year.