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Didn't seem to be the case in BC, Hamilton or Sask this year. Happens all the time. Look at Cato in Montreal, he got figured out and was exposed. Sask was terrible despite Smith showing som flashes but he go exposed and then had Glenn to shelter him a bit more. BC Jennings is still in the honeymoon phase, that often ends like ti did with Marve here. Guys might come in and have a bit of initial success but the ones that don't see that dip are rare indeed. Davis spent quite a bit of time in the pocket...wouldn't you rush too if you had our Oline...O coordinator...and receivers with dropsies?

Here was a Davis sitting on the bench for a whole season, playing his first game in about three years, who looked like he has the makings of a real QB. He can pass, he can run, and looks to be fairly accurate...and with a bad coordinator...and some players not really in the game. Now explain to me why when Willy got injured, how the QB coach, the offensive coordinator, the scouts, and the head coach, weren't prepared to give him a chance. To me it is simply that they have an inability to recognize talent or the lack of it...eg. Brohm. They wait until the last game of the year which means nothing to give him an audition. I was not in favor of an overhaul until last night, but these guys are likely not going to lead us out of the wilderness. I know some of you still like Adams, but if he is the best we can do...we are in more trouble than I thought. The tackling on defence was terrible. I think this team lacks real discipline...this idea that O'Shea had that they are pros and they are self motivated is not working. lots more...but rant over for now

Yup...Chiarot...but who knows he could have been injured.

Kind of pathetic for changes on the offence...no running backs to put in? No new receivers except a backup to Bastien? At least a new starting QB.

Roster management bad? was that during their wins or only their losses?

Don't you still want to trade most of the team?

You seem to be looking through different colored glasses than most other folks

not really. lots of discussion, but not in an organized way. Oh yeah...this is really organized!

The " multitude of posts", i.e. the belching of emotion is a complete disorganization and hardly the basis for making a sound judgment. Soundness is needed to either make or support a decision (or to sanely oppose a bad decision). Your comment reflects the lack of real work.... and as Henry Ford has famously said, because work is hard, few do it. Lack of real work? You have got to be kidding! This is an internet forum! Your post is useless!

com'n Doc...give it a rest!

We've been through all of this before in a multitude of posts

Classy!

There sure are a lot of folks here who take as gospel what they read in the newspaper.

Our fourth line is better than it has been in previous years...send Petan down? Don't think so.

Very few of the plays get broken up because he holds onto the puck too long. As soon as he sees someone he can pass to it is gone, I think you've seen it once or twice and now you think you see it all the time. I think most would disagree with you including Maurice.

Petan is a set up guy...of course he should hold onto the puck.

Iso logical? Now that's funny... He makes more sense than someone like you who has their head firmly buried in the sand. Ahhh...typical Dragon37...

To be replaced with who? Three coordinators fired in 2 years. Who will come here? People that want to keep MOS because we can't attract quality HC's as they get fired yet want MB fired are just kidding themselves. No quality assistant coach will want to come here because all 3 coordinators hired by our brilliant HC will have been fired if Bellefeuille goes. So MB has to stay because no one better will want to be here. This is what happens when you hire crappy head coaches.You have no idea if what you are saying is true or not. Coaches don't go anywhere expecting to have a permanent job. They always expect to get fired at some point. I'll make you a bet, if MB is still here like you say he will be, then I won't come here anymore...otherwise you have to go....a bet? He not saying MB is staying he is making the point of how some people say we need to keep Coach Hugs and Kisses and Mack Junior because we go through too many coaches and GMs. This means that no one good wants to come here. So by that logic we should keep MB. Though it is likely too late, hire an independent consultant/assessor that analyzes this team from the BOD down to the playing field. Make moves from there. there is a sickness in this organization that permeates its way onto the playing field. Hiring another group of coaches, management and players to try their luck here is futile unless we root out the cancer that keeps Winnipeg from actually building a real CFL team. You can can try and interpret Iso's posts all you want...I do it this way "So MB has to stay because no one better will want to be here" Only dim people would not understand what ISO was trying to say. But considering you just accused me of not knowing my CFL history of Hammy, Edmonton, and Sask I am not surprised his mocking went right over your head. Not to dim to realize all you ever do is criticize...

To be replaced with who? Three coordinators fired in 2 years. Who will come here? People that want to keep MOS because we can't attract quality HC's as they get fired yet want MB fired are just kidding themselves. No quality assistant coach will want to come here because all 3 coordinators hired by our brilliant HC will have been fired if Bellefeuille goes. So MB has to stay because no one better will want to be here. This is what happens when you hire crappy head coaches.You have no idea if what you are saying is true or not. Coaches don't go anywhere expecting to have a permanent job. They always expect to get fired at some point. I'll make you a bet, if MB is still here like you say he will be, then I won't come here anymore...otherwise you have to go....a bet? He not saying MB is staying he is making the point of how some people say we need to keep Coach Hugs and Kisses and Mack Junior because we go through too many coaches and GMs. This means that no one good wants to come here. So by that logic we should keep MB. Though it is likely too late, hire an independent consultant/assessor that analyzes this team from the BOD down to the playing field. Make moves from there. there is a sickness in this organization that permeates its way onto the playing field. Hiring another group of coaches, management and players to try their luck here is futile unless we root out the cancer that keeps Winnipeg from actually building a real CFL team. You can can try and interpret Iso's posts all you want...I do it this way "So MB has to stay because no one better will want to be here"

Iso logical? Now that's funny...

So did Edmonton, Hamilton, and Saskatchewan yet they all went on to turn around their organizations. Granted Sask crashed and burned this year but they will definitely be back and competitive long before Winnipeg. You have no idea if that is true or not...you just keep repeating the same negatives over and over and over again.

To be replaced with who? Three coordinators fired in 2 years. Who will come here? People that want to keep MOS because we can't attract quality HC's as they get fired yet want MB fired are just kidding themselves. No quality assistant coach will want to come here because all 3 coordinators hired by our brilliant HC will have been fired if Bellefeuille goes. So MB has to stay because no one better will want to be here. This is what happens when you hire crappy head coaches. You have no idea if what you are saying is true or not. Coaches don't go anywhere expecting to have a permanent job. They always expect to get fired at some point. I'll make you a bet, if MB is still here like you say he will be, then I won't come here anymore...otherwise you have to go....a bet?

Good grief...we get Muamba and we win? Too cheap?...we spent way more money acquiring players this year than in years past! Guess you just don't want to count guys like Westerman, Nick Moore, Ian Wild, and Stanley Bryant. I love how you just make a post, but don't bother putting any thought into it..just rant is the best way to express yourself! I'm just as unhappy as you, but lets try and stick to the facts just a bit.

from the bleacher report

There is no problem with it if it producing results. It is not and therefore those responsible should be up for review before continuing their employment. Why pay people for not fulfilling their job duties? This is a weird argument. I get the argument that Walters has struggled to find talent, but you're arguing that he shouldn't bring in any players to look for guys who are talented? Makes no sense. This is extended training camp essentially for every team in the league with the expanded PR. No I am arguing that our scouting and management are terrible, they wouldn't know talent if it came up and slapped them in the face. They bring in, pay money to and toss out these guys. Now it isn't the players fault for wanting a job and some cash but you have to ask some good hard questions about those doing the selecting. At this point management and scouting are the pits so this is a waste of money. Why flush cash when it is evident the system isn't producing? Hold off on it, because, face it, there are no saviours coming from the system right now. In the off-season reassess every aspect of the team (EVERY aspect) and only then turn the taps back on. I am all for bringing guys in and giving them a try but at this point it is a waste of time and money. Of course the many folks that think Walters and co are good are never going to agree. I expect that but this is a really bad team. Not a team that is a few players away from being good they are a mediocre bad team. They will only make a profit because of the GC game and when you are going to need every cent to bring in talent to fix it then why are they continuing to burn it on a wasted season? It seems weird to me that people would want this team to continue to spend money hand over fist this year when it is obvious they will need it for next season. There is no problem with it if it producing results. It is not and therefore those responsible should be up for review before continuing their employment. Why pay people for not fulfilling their job duties? This is a weird argument. I get the argument that Walters has struggled to find talent, but you're arguing that he shouldn't bring in any players to look for guys who are talented? Makes no sense. This is extended training camp essentially for every team in the league with the expanded PR. No I am arguing that our scouting and management are terrible, they wouldn't know talent if it came up and slapped them in the face. They bring in, pay money to and toss out these guys. Now it isn't the players fault for wanting a job and some cash but you have to ask some good hard questions about those doing the selecting. At this point management and scouting are the pits so this is a waste of money. Why flush cash when it is evident the system isn't producing? Hold off on it, because, face it, there are no saviours coming from the system right now. In the off-season reassess every aspect of the team (EVERY aspect) and only then turn the taps back on. I am all for bringing guys in and giving them a try but at this point it is a waste of time and money. Of course the many folks that think Walters and co are good are never going to agree. I expect that but this is a really bad team. Not a team that is a few players away from being good they are a mediocre bad team. They will only make a profit because of the GC game and when you are going to need every cent to bring in talent to fix it then why are they continuing to burn it on a wasted season? It seems weird to me that people would want this team to continue to spend money hand over fist this year when it is obvious they will need it for next season. Glad you are such a professional scout and football team manager...that you are able to determine that the scouting staff and management are terrible, and the pits. What a comment you're all for bringing guys in and giving them a try but at this point it is a waste of time and money. Contradict yourself much? They have expanded rosters in the CFL for a reason...get it?