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Just because you know people who were called to the scene, doesn't mean you know what really happened. There are always more than one version and only one truth. The point is there was absolutely no need for you to bring it up in the first place.

common sense says that if you can get pressure sacks will follow. I don't think you'd see too many people who get a sack every time they get pressure, but if you can consistently generate pressure you will consistently be getting sacks. We can look at the Bombers this season, early in the year they were better at getting pressure on the qb and their sack numbers were in the top part of the league sack race, but that ability to generate pressure lessened as the year went on and now the team is near the bottom of the sack race. One leads to the other. I agree completely with your post and would add the following for consideration. I blame our LB corps for our lack of sacks.....hear me out....lol. I think that early in the season that Etch was scheming to get a lot more of a pressure attack on QBs and it was working. However, about a third of the way through the season teams figured out that our LB crew was weak against the run and began attacking us with the run game with great success. I think that in order to try and shore up the run defence that Etch stopped running some of the pure pass rush schemes we were initially using. In the last game, I noticed a return of some of these schemes when we were using Sears to great effect in the pass rush. I think that if we go with a revamped LB crew next year with Wild at WIL/Sears at SAM/ and ??? at MIKE then we will see a return of some of our ability to get consistent pressure/sacks on the QB. I partially agree, but we need a lot better defensive ends...no matter who is playing on the line or linebckers, it is fairly obvious that once other teams figure out Etch's schemes we are far less effective on defence overall. That may explain why he is not constantly employed.

That was Ottawa's game to win minus the gift turnovers.

Obviously that's not all you care about...since you are posting all these rumors that are not about wins!

Why not? Do you think he's lying?

It might also explain why our offensive line guru coach has not been able to improve the play of the oline much if at all.

So, if the Winnipeg Blue Bombers gave up a franchise-record number of sacks in 2014 -- and, at 70 and counting, they did -- does it logically follow then that the offensive line is also the worst in franchise history? Not so fast, says veteran left tackle Glenn January. "There are so many things that go into an offence that I really think it's unfair to point at one group and say, 'That's the cause of the problem.' "If you go back and look at the film, I think there's enough blame to go around for all of us." 'We run an offence that puts the the offensive linemen in one-on-one situations a lot more than other teams, so I don't think you can just look at the number of sacks and get a true picture of the situation we were handed this year' -- Glenn January Sure, no doubt. But 70 sacks? January remained defiant Wednesday. "The style of offence we run, there's a lot of emphasis on moving the ball down the field and running a lot of empty sets. "And that's also part of the reason Drew Willy is No. 2 in the league in passing right now. We run an offence that puts the offensive linemen in one-on-one situations a lot more than other teams, so I don't think you can just look at the number of sacks and get a true picture of the situation we were handed this year." January's longtime linemate, centre Steve Morley, said most fans don't realize CFL teams that have been celebrated for their offensive-line play -- the Saskatchewan Roughriders, most notably -- tend to be the teams that use maximum-protection schemes most often. How often? Morley said he sat down Friday to watch the Calgary Stampeders-Roughriders game in hopes he could learn something about blocking the ferocious Stamps pass rush in advance of his club playing in Calgary this Saturday in what will be Winnipeg's final game of the season. Morley said he quickly learned he was wasting his Friday night trying to derive lessons from watching what Saskatchewan was doing. "It was the fourth quarter and I was like, 'Wow, they haven't run one drop-back pass. They slid every protection so far.' "That's the exact opposite of the offence we're running here." Now, you'd expect January and Morley, as the longest-serving members of the Bombers offensive-line, to strenuously defend their work. And we'd love to tell you what the other Bombers O-line mainstay -- left guard Chris Greaves -- thinks about the situation, but he just kept repeating the same mantra Wednesday that all he does is what he's told. Over and over and over again. What was interesting is Bombers head coach Mike O'Shea essentially agreed with Morley and January that the blame for his team's pass-protection problems in 2014 went much deeper than the five men on the O-line. "Seventy sacks is a lot of sacks," said O'Shea, "...but it is much more complex than that -- than just pointing your finger at one element of the offence. There are sacks that happen every game for a variety of reasons... "There are elements to the offence that are extremely detailed that you need to follow." On top of all of that, it also bears reminding the right side of the offensive line has effectively been a revolving door all season with a steady stream of players auditioning at both the guard and tackle positions. The latest -- and final -- incarnation has rookie non-import Matthias Goossen playing at right guard and import Jace Daniels at right tackle. That was the same combination the Bombers used last weekend against the B.C. Lions. How'd that work out? Winnipeg gave up a franchise record 10 sacks in what was a must-win game at home that officially knocked the Bombers out of playoff contention. Quarterback Drew Willy conceded a lot of the blame last week rested on his shoulders on a night he was uncharacteristically indecisive and frequently hung on to the ball too long. Of the mainstay O-line triumvirate of January, Greaves and Morley, only January is set to become a free agent this off-season. He says he'd love to be back in Blue and Gold for what would be his seventh season. "I've made Winnipeg my home. It's been fantastic for me the last six years. And I'd like to eventually leave here as a winner." paul.wiecek@freepress.mb.ca Twitter: @PaulWiecek

http://cfl.ca/article/sack-attack-are-pass-rushers-taking-over-the-cfl In my opinion we have not had competitive Defensive ends the whole season...our sack attack is a lack attack

Wow...cost Young $10,000 to make his point and banish Barker to the stands...pretty good deal if you are rich.

A lot of you folks just keep repeating your opinion of what should happen over and over again. I don't think even one has convinced anyone else to alter their opinion. So what is the point of wash and repeat? The only one's opinion that matters here is MOS...the end.

Here is a breakdown of Willy's performance in 6 game intervals. 1662 yards 7 TD 4 INT 1315 yards 5 TD 7 INT 770 yards 2 TD 5 INT Clearly regression is a word that could be used to describe these stats. Those stats don't mean much without the proper context. For example you say nothing about injury time, and some of those interceptions were not his fault.

Some very good teams are not necessarily built around all stars. All stars are great but what team do you know that has all all stars? Now you're probably going to start counting...which means nothing.

Pavs was average...I guess you didn't see the two times he was completely out of the play and was extremely lucky he didn't get scored on both times.

If Willy had only one bad game during the losing streak, I would say fine, start him. But he hasn't, the more he got injured the more he didn't look like the same guy who started the season. What makes them think that he is suddenly rejuvenated and back to the guy who started the season? For me he's been through enough, and although he wants to start, time for smarter heads to prevail and give the backups a chance to show what they can do. He's got to take one for the team. Another bad decision in my opinion.

Yep, BC didn't cover our receivers or anything like that. They don't have the best pass D in the league either...nothing like that... Yes, BC has the #1 pass defence in the league, and are #4 against the run….AND, 2nd best defence overall. They had good coverage, especially in the 2nd half. Having said that…. USABFan (metric version) brought up a good point in post #73, and that is : "there should at least be some kind of safety valve player to get the ball to" 10 sacks. They are not all on the O-Line, they get blame, of course, and Willy had chances to throw the ball away, but our OC chooses to have Cotton brush block instead of he, or the FB, slipping out for a safety valve for Willy to throw to. It's got to be a better offensive alternative to what we've seen. That's one reason why people complain about the OC…he doesn't adapt his game plan to make it easier for Willy to DUMP the BALL, when he's in trouble. If it's good enough for every other QB, why don't we see it more? I don't know if it always falls on the OC either for not having a safety valve. As I said in another post, my son and I have been discussing this for awhile. He thinks Drew is a gun slinger and prefers to sling it down the field. I see that also, especially when we're in second and three or five and don't run the ball when we had Grigsby playing. I was blaming the OC but not so sure I am right, and am coming around to the notion that Drew locks onto one receiver, preferably one further downfield which of course takes more time for the play to develop. I just hope that he learns to take the safety valve if one is provided to him, but at this point in time whether it be on the OC or him...it is doubtful.

Thanks for the explanation...I guess my question still is...how is anyone going to know that at this point in time? If you sign a commitment for 3 years, aren't you going to expect to be given information on what you're committing to? If they're advertising a promotion that is based on the commitment to season tickets for 2015-2017, I'd sure hope they know what they're asking from the people who sign up. I see...and I went back and re read gbills post, which I misread initially. apologies to Dr. Cfl for the unnecessary snarky comment.

Thanks for the explanation...I guess my question still is...how is anyone going to know that at this point in time?

I guess I am just used to Dr. Cfl's usual style one liners. You guys are really wondering what you're going to have to pay in 2016 and 2017? How would anyone know that? Otherwise I guess it's me that's dumb on this one.

You never fail to establish how dumb you are.

Never thought of this angle before but isn't it a QB coach's job to not only prepare but also to protect the QB from this kind of mental and physical abuse? What we have witnessed this season is the deconstruction of a talented young QB with infinite promise into the shambles of a Buck Pierce look-a-like, all under the tutelage of Gene Dalquist. So what is Dalquist's role in all of this? In the least Dalquist should have communicated his concerns directly to O'Shea or Marcel but perhaps he has no real sway or like O'Shea saw nothing wrong in the game-plan last night. Either way, I award Dalquist with a Fail. I'll counter this.. how do we not know he hasn't been doing this? As a coach (or teacher) you can only do so much. You ever the expression that you can 'lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it'. Are you guys insinuating that these professional teachers/coaches are morons and don't know the meaning of the word 'checkdown'. How come Brohm can come in to a game cold (Edmonton) and on his first pass hit a 15 yard strike, something Willy couldn't do in an (almost) entire half. Enough of this. It's not coaching, it's not the water boy, it's not the assistant trainer, it's not the ushers, it's not security. Brohm/Marve play with the same players, same coaching, same offensive scheme. And though they don't have any wins (yet) either, they look a lot better back there running the offense than Willy does. I find it extremely improbable that our coaches are not talking to Willy and telling him about check downs, and reminding him what to do. Do you honestly believe that? I honestly believe that you always think you are right no matter what.

I don't know why everyone should be so surprised. Willy is a work in progess, and with a better QB coach should improve. This is one of the scouting reports on him "Willy's strengths are his calmness and intelligence. He understands the position very well and does a great job of reading the defense. Willy has outstanding mechanics and footwork which allows him to be very accurate with most throws he makes. Willy can be a little stiff at times. He can sometimes stand and hold the ball too long which will cause him to be sacked or give the defense time to react to his eyes. Willy can be indecisive as well and in the NFL that can lead to big turnovers. Summary Willy comes from a humble conference and team that is always trying to prove itself and I think that bodes well for his development and coachability. His ability to stand tall and poise in the pocket helps him to deliver strikes to his receivers. Willy is a relaxed QB and I have not seen him get too rattled he stays calm under duress and uses his feet to buy him time. His consistency at recognize the rush needs to be improved on, he is very good at seeing it but at times he holds the ball too long and gets lead feet in the pocket. I believe Willy has tremendous potential and could be a legitimate QB in the NFL." He needs better protection, and needs to learn how to look off receivers when he gets more time. He also needs to have less of a gun slinger mentality.

I think you're going to be disappointed. O'Shea said on the coaches show that he is firmly in the camp for having a QB who is a pocket passer. That would explain why Marve ended up as #3, not necessarily because this is his first year and he is inexperienced. It would seem they just aren't enamored by his style, and don't think they can win with him being #1

One of the key words is "stubborn". MOS seems to have it in abundance. How he could not see that Willy was holding on to the ball too long and causing sacks, and not throwing it away when he had to, is beyond me. How he could not think that putting Marve in for even a series or two would not possibly be a good thing is also beyond me. I can only chalk it up to being stubborn. He refused to replace Grigsby with Cotton until the end of the year. He refused to see how slow and useless and replace Kuale until he got injured. It just seems like no one could actually tell him anything negative where he would make a change. How long did it take him to try any meaningful change on the Oline? How long did guys who they thought had talent sit on the PR and then be cut? I seriously think some of these coaches can't recognize talent properly, if they think Kuale, and Grigsby and a few others are good enough. I don't put everything on Willy, whoever our illustrious QB coach is, has to go. Willy has been staring down his first read all year. He throws 20 or 30 yard passes when a 7 or 8 yard pass is what is needed. He has been doing that consistently. a QB coach should be able to coach him out of that penchant for always going for the long pass. That attempt at a 2 point conversion, is the exact same play they have run every time they tried for two points, and has never once worked. Who's fault is that? play calling or Willy himself? So much more to say...sore fingers

massive? another stupid one liner! We are now in coaching staffs where other teams have been for some time now.

we gave up more than just a 2nd round pick. We also gave up a player who was one of the best at his positions who helped the Riders win the Grey Cup. People need to stop pretending that Hall had 0 value and shouldn't be counted as part of the trade. We gave up a star player AND a 2nd round pick to get an injury prone OL. That trade stank from day 1. Could have used those assets to get something more worthwhile. Yer Fkn delusional if you thought we could get more then a starting canadian lineman for a rent a player for x amount of games... Especially knowing the NFL was his goal for next season... What, you think we coulda got ray or bourke or Cornish? Give yer head a shake man.. If we had traded Hall for Neufeld straight up my tune would be entirely different. The fact that we had to throw in a 2nd round pick is what makes the trade poor. A starting NI Olineman for a second round pick is a good move any day of the week. Hall was leaving anyway, nothing to discuss there. Neufeld was going to be lost in the Ottawa draft, and that is 100% the only reason we traded him. We have too many quality NI Olineman, and someone was going to be unprotected. Neufeld is a starter on your line no question about it. Paddy is strong as a bull, and can stand his ground when called upon, also good in run blocking. Still needs time to develop in other areas. He would still be starting here if it hadn't been for Heenan being so good so young. How could Walters have known he was going to get hurt? Neufeld had also just signed a 2 year deal with the riders so you also knew he would be there for that long which sweetens the trade. I'd welcome him back here gladly, and to be honest I hope the riders are going after him when his contract expires. But that's exactly it... we didn't get Neufeld for either Hall or a 2nd round pick, it was both. You nicely illustrate the reasoning for the Riders to trade him to the Bombers, they were faced with a situation where they were likely to lose him for nothing in the expansion draft so get something for him. In that case why did the Bombers pay a premium for him? Riders were looking to get an asset for the player why did we have to give them a player to help their playoff drive AND a draft pick? Considering the situation the Riders were in with the guy Walters to my mind paid too high a price for a guy who had some question marks in his game. He got his heart set on Neufeld when he was a pending free agent earlier and he didn't even try and haggle, he just paid the price that was asked. Sticker price is sucker price. Actually you have no idea what the discussions were.