The Unknown Poster

That’s a good point. Aew tsn numbers are relatively low but wwe’s are too though they beat AEW. Ofcourse that’s raw & sd as we only get nxt on the network. the fact WWE’s viewership skews so old while AEW skews younger surely has an effect on things.

What is? Objecting to factual analysis because it might not elevate precious wwe which has hemorrhaged viewers at astonishing levels for years? by the way, anyone watching nxt on the network doesn’t matter to tv sales either. In fact it likely annoys USA. Nxt doesn’t simulcast on the network. Your point is moot.

Got ready for their Christmas break yesterday.

Yeah I don’t love the idea of liea as a Jedi but it was made sort of necessary by TLJ. But her explanation that she saw Ben falling to the dark side and thus stopped her own training to focus on her family and then later sent him to Luke to instil the light side makes sense. it also hints at a larger story. Much like in the PT we can perhaps assume the vision was planted by Palps to get Leia to do exactly what Palps wanted - get Ben under Luke’s guidance.

So interesting ratings analysis by Dave Meltzer about the Wednesday Night War. when counting DVR numbers, AEW draws about 1.3-1.4 million per week. NXT draws about 1.2 million. The reason appears to be AEW viewers being younger and more likely to DVR (it wouldn’t surprise me if some of those people are watching nxt live and DVR’ing AEW too). so conclusions you be drawn are AEW exceeds nxt viewership every week by a strong number. Also in terms of ad sales DVR means nothing.

I think the professional critics were more negative on Leia, again because they don’t understand what fans enjoy. Sort of like all the blowback to Tarkin in R1 which I thought was amazing. if you looked for it knowing Carrie didn’t film any new scenes you could tell they had to frame dialogue around whatever they had of her and the scenes where they don’t show her face. But I preferred it over not having her in at all. although I think Rian should have called an audible and had Leia die in TLJ and luke live. It would have allowed Luke to actually do something in this movie and save Leia for smaller ghost scenes.

TLJ was pretty boring and simple. It wasn’t a big film. It was really bad. I don’t envy what JJ has to accomplish with this one. I only wish he’d have done the entire trilogy. Lucas originally had Obi Wan assuring luke physically in his fight with vader so ghosts being able to interact is not a crazy idea. But it raises many questions. I found the film had many F U to Rian moments. Rightfully so!

All good points. I thought it seemed shorter than 2.5 hours and kept the action going. The C3PO memory wipe struck me as forced emotion too. He was wiped on Sith (so he wouldn’t remember he was created by Anakin). What’s the big deal. And didn’t R2 restore his memories? in TLJ, they showed that Rey and Kylo could interact physically during their force connections. Kylo has water on his hands after one connection when the water was in Rey’s environment. a better question is how did they do it? Snoke claimed he created their connection. But Palps says they are a rare force dyad. But seems surprised by this. But wasn’t he Snokes master? Speaking of which, the Snoke clones were to imply that Palps created Snoke to begin with. What did Finn want to tell Rey? I asked the same thing the second it ended. It felt like another forced emotion moment. Creating tension between Finn and Poe that wasn’t needed. Luke being able to physically interact adds to the wild addition to ghost powers from Yoda in TLJ. Why don’t these ghosts go hunt some sith if they can do all this and can’t be killed? It does make wonder about the rumoured scene where the Jedi voices spoke to rey, supposedly the scene originally involved appearances of the ghosts. I think it would have made more sense. If Rey killed Palps body and the Jedi ghosts appeared to destroy his evil Sith spirit, especially Anakin. the kiss. Gross. Just....awful. Don’t fall in love with your abuser even when they promise to change for reals this time. the plot was a total mess. But I still think it worked in the end. Mostly anyway.

I’ll get flamed but I was always more into Star Trek than Star Wars. Many of you might Consider the original trilogy a Christmas tradition as back in the days of limited channels they seemed to always play over the holidays. That’s where I got to know them the most.

There were a few shots at Rian. The light saber. When Luke catches it and says you should have more respect for it (rather then tossing it aside like Rian did) Rian made the whole climax of TLJ about the crait battle inspiring the galaxy to rise up but they said it didn’t. It was just another battle and no one was inspired. Kylo’d mask being put back together. Rey being important when TLJ was trying to say it didn’t matter, that anyone could be a Jedi. This film said well actually she’s super powerful because of her blood. Same with Ben actually. Rey trying to do why luke did by abandoning the fight and Luke being somewhat condescending to her about it. Although I suppose he had come around by the end of TLJ. I find this movie to be like if Disney has suddenly pulled TLJ and told JJ his movie had to serve as 8 & 9.

Yes it’s a big market for them. Sort of their unofficial home.

Another franchise record set to fall

What happened to Ladd.

Actually Rich I didn’t want to step on frosty or Hearts toes. Merry Christmas.

Yes. Still a sell out. In fact it basically sold out in 15 minutes with no matches announced. Sell outs are rare. Wwe sold out survivor series in Chicago but none of their other events in Chicago that week. It’s an accomplishment.

Somebody do a game day thread please!

That’s a good point. And Skywalker seems connected to TFA but not at all connected to TLJ. You almost don’t need to see it. Even then it doesn’t really feel in the same narrative universe as the first two trilogies. But again I blame that on TLJ.

So long

I had read Spoilers about her being a Palps so I didn’t even consider how cool a surprise it would be. imagine how much better it would be if they had laid the groundwork for this from the beginning. A scene in TFA’s where Snoke is speaking to a mysterious person he kneels before. Something like that. And in TLJ Luke referencing his search for the sith planet and a sense that this evil still existed. on one hand it was cheesy in that Palps showed up and executed his plan and then lost. Too quick. If we knew of his plan all along, of Ben and Rey being a diad (or however it’s spelled) to rejuvenate himself. Then we see what Palps plan would be all along. bens redemption was very quick also. That’s why I wish there more to it. Him visiting Palps basically tells him that his turn was all BS. Because he has “Vader” in his head and Snoke and Palps admits it was him. TFA showed us that Ben had doubts that he felt a pull to the light. Which TLJ really did nothing with. So Ben should have left Palps feeling manipulated. He immediately goes back to the vader helmet. It’s like he’s contemplating everything and how it was all BS. Perfect timing for Anakin to appear. Could have said something like Bens mind was so clouded with the dark side Anakin was never able to appear before. But now Ben knows the truth. Have Ben deny it but Anakin tells him he knows it’s true. Says his path was wrong, it was all lies. Then Ben leaves and we know his heart is being torn on different directions. same with the leia scene. I guess it was all they could do but it needed more. We needed to see what she was saying to him to give him pause. And then solo scene being the final thing they does it. It’s his own mind making sense of everything. And rey healing him shows him sort of what Anakin could have told him, that it is possible to resist the dark. The kiss really bothered me. Maybe because I sense no sexual chemistry. he tortured her. I can appreciate rey accepting his turn. It’s what she wanted. Embrace. Kiss on the cheek. A sense of love and family. But romantic? Icky. I feel like If JJ just did the entire trilogy it would have been very different.

Looks like fan reviews are much more positive than critic reviews. Which is sort of what I expected. The critics like TLJ because they didn’t understand what fans want from Star Wars. When I saw critics panning Skywalker I actually felt more positive about it going in.

I think you’ll feel the same about this one as you did about return of the Jedi. In a good way.

Haha read the letter. She’s just messing with him now