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That was Punk vs. Cena on Raw and it was one of the best matches I've seen in the last few years. Really makes me wish Punk would just go back to wrestling. When he finally does go back, he will have more power and a bigger push so it will be better for everyone. WWE is really stifling right now. I'd suggest watching NXT if you want to see could wrestling. The myth of Vince McMahon, genus, is really becoming apparently. I have my reservations about Hunter in charge but NXT is really good and RAW isnt. So there's that.

Happens far more than people think. Maybe not out cold (although that happens), but concussions happen a lot. Up until recently, when WWE showed more concern for concussions (notwithstanding Punk's allegations), the sheer volume of injuries and concussions is mind boggling and scary. There is little doubt in my mind that brain trauma at least partially led Chris Benoit to kill his wife and child. Thats pretty scary. There is far more recovery time in MMA. And because that sport is regulated, I think there is more over-sight. In WWE, you're being cared for by the company doctor and as Punk detailed, sometimes that doctor is more interested in how fast you can get back on the road then in making sure you've made a full recovery. In UFC, guys will pull out of major fights if they are hurt. In WWE, the pressure is to get through the next big match. That might change with the canibalizing of PPV revenue in wrestling. Absolutely it happens more than people think, but that goes for both mma and wrestling. The amount of mma concussions (and injuries in general) that are reported are way lower than the actual number for the simple fact that unless you are an upper echelon guy, you don't get paid if you don't fight. There was recently a fairly high level fight in Edmonton where one guy hid the fact that his arm was broken from the commission doctor and went out & fought because he couldn't afford not too. Predictably, he lost and now has been suspended for the fact that he lied about the injury. Now, because he got caught (he was dumb enough to make a pre-fight video talking about it but posted it online after the fight), he's going to be under a lot of scrutiny every time he fights now - at least he should be. He fights mainly in Edmonton and their commission is well known for being a joke so chances are it'll be business as usual for him. A lot of fighters will also tell you that training is way harder than the actual fight & that's where most of the injuries happen. Those will all go unreported unless it's a high profile fighter and the injury is bad enough that they do have to pull out of a fight. Training has gotten better (ie smarter) than back in the day (read up on training at Miletich Fighting Systems for some good "horror stories") but like any sport, the compete level & pressure makes guys perform when they shouldn't. I would strongly argue that the amount of times a guy lies about an injury happens far more in WWE then in UFC. Or "works through it". But ofcourse, the point shouldnt be wrestling vs MMA. There will always be MMA fans that detest wrestling as "fake" but there have been some truly great pro wrestlers in MMA (Shamrock, Severn, Brock etc) but very few UFC fighters were able to make it in wrestling. Rampage loved it and got over the idea of having to train every day pretty quickly. King Mo is still under contract to TNA reportedly but unlikely to actually do anything. Ofcourse, if Im defending UFC I point out that Kurt Angle couldnt pass a physical to join UFC and yet still wrestles (though to be fair, WWE wont take him back either and TNA doesnt care about the health of its workers seemingly). Then again, Dana wanted Angle to go through TUF to get a contract whereas Angle wanted a main roster fight deal. If Angle was 5 years younger and asked Dana for a spot today, its a no brainer Dana would do it.

The doomsday device broke the neck of one of the Godwins too. I actually brought the LOD here for a show in 2002 and our guy took the finisher but not the flip bump. So instead of flipping over backwards, he took a flat back bump which is what a lot of guys started doing later on in LOD's careers. The flip is way cooler looking but terribly dangerous if you dont get the rotation. AJ Styles has had three guys in the last year or so suffer broken necks from the finisher he;s been using for over a decade including two in just the last couple of months I believe. WWE banned the piledriver, a move used for decades because of the risk involved. In fact it was Punk who used it in a match a couple years back and got serious heat for using a banned move.

Its part of the over-all enigma that is the Jets and the "dual" core they have. We talked about it with the "Atlanta Five" before. In Edmonton, they essentially have one young core to grow together (Maybe some vets for spare parts). For the Jets, there is the Ladd, Wheeler, Buff, Enstrom, Little "core" and the Trouba, Scheif, Kane, Bogo "core". Same thing with the goaltending. HBuck isnt ready yet and can you imagine starting next season with Hutch and HBuck as your two goaltenders? Yikes. I thought they might trade Budaj to get the D replacement but they didnt and knowing Budaj would surely like to go somewhere else, it might mean that they want him for some reason. I think Pavs is young enough and his contract okay enough to get traded. The Oilers would certainly be a prime location. In a world where Bryz and Brodeur are getting contracts, Pavs would be attractive to teams. 2016 is the year of reckoning though with so many contracts coming due.

Im more of a right wing guy when it comes to forign policy but I understand the delicate nature of these things. Im on board with renewed relations with Cuba because I think that will eventually lead to democracy there. I think Iran will be democratic one day because the people want western things. But it cant be forced. They people will have to want it bad enough. North Korea will let every man woman and child starve to death before they give in and the people are weak. NK has the backing of China. But the great thing about a leadership like NK is they are batshit crazy and prone to doing stupid things. They are annoying China. The US cant bomb NK into the stone age because China is like their big brother but annoy China enough to stop sticking up for you and NK will collapse. They will eventually see the light because its inevitable. I would be fine seeing a bombing of their infrastructure but the US would have to have China on board for that. And the last thing anyone wants is a depserate NK selling nukes to someone.

Happens far more than people think. Maybe not out cold (although that happens), but concussions happen a lot. Up until recently, when WWE showed more concern for concussions (notwithstanding Punk's allegations), the sheer volume of injuries and concussions is mind boggling and scary. There is little doubt in my mind that brain trauma at least partially led Chris Benoit to kill his wife and child. Thats pretty scary. There is far more recovery time in MMA. And because that sport is regulated, I think there is more over-sight. In WWE, you're being cared for by the company doctor and as Punk detailed, sometimes that doctor is more interested in how fast you can get back on the road then in making sure you've made a full recovery. In UFC, guys will pull out of major fights if they are hurt. In WWE, the pressure is to get through the next big match. That might change with the canibalizing of PPV revenue in wrestling. The only legit fight that Punk has ever been in that people know about is an impromptu altercation with Teddy Hart. Reportedly Punk lost. Teddy is a trained boxer and would be at least a decent wrestler having trained with his family. I dont know if that tells us anything about Punk. Im a big Brock fan but to me, the key to beating him was hitting him because as big and strong as he is, he clearly did not like getting hit. he could take hits, but he didnt like it and it would put him on the defensive immediately. I would suspect the strategy against Punk would be the same, hit him. In wrestling Punk came up working a harder style so he will be used to taking stiff shots, which is not the same as taking full on strikes, but again, you have to consider that in UFC, when a guy is throwing a strike, you're trying to block/avoid it so the ones that land arent landing full force (hopefully). In a stiff wrestling style, you arent trying to avoid being hit. The shots arent coming full speed but you're taking hits. So he *might* be used to the sensation of being popped to a degree. It will come down to how hard he gets hit and how well he can absorb them. Working in bars for 20 years I saw big tough guys go down to one punches all the time. It used to be a bit of a running joke that I wasnt much of a fighter, more of a take them down/restrain them type so occasionally I'd take 4 or 5 strikes in the process. Fortunately, I have a hard head and a hard jaw (got concussed way eaiser the handful of times I wrestled). But we wont know Punk's ability to take a shot until he takes a few. As for his wrestling ability, he isnt Brock Lesnar, with an NCAA background. He has no real credentials right now. At his age, I dont know. I predict he does 2-3 fights, win or lose, strikes "UFC" off his bucket list and moves on to the next thing. He reminds me of Brock in the sense they are both strong personalities with a crazy desire to be the best at whatever they set out to do. They both made enough money to choose their projects. For Brock, it was the NFL and then MMA. For Punk, it's writing comics and UFC. Both walked away from WWE because they could and because they were burned out. WWE was never Brock's love. He does it because he's good at it and can make lots of money. He's unique in that when he went back, people thought it would be hard to get him to do business (lose) but Brock's position is you pay me and Ill lose to anyone you want (which he proved by losing his first match which was absolutely ludicrous from a business perspective). Punk is burned out now, but like Brock, after doing some bucket list things I would strongly suspect he will go back to WWE because he's good at it and can make lots of money. The difference is, while Brock never loved pro wrestling, Punk did. He might hate it right now, but once you're in the business and love it, you can never really leave. Wrestling is Hotel California. Punk will go back.

.826 save percentage for Pavs. I assume Hutch gets the start in Chicago. If he plays well, can they really go back with Pavs or is this Hutch's chance to string together a few games? It almost seems that when Hutch has a game that *might* be the decider on him, he comes up a bit flat. Hopefully not the case. Seeing people demanding Hutch be the starter...I dont see it yet. I for one am shocked that Pavs has lost the starting job. And even though the Jets wont say that, its true. Pavs played great in the Buffalo game and yet Hutch started the next one. That means Pavs is not the starter anymore and they are looking for one guy to embrace it. Or possibly they are looking for Hutch to step up. With Pavs contract, Im not sure what this looks like though. If Hutch stakes a claim for the starter, are they going to trade Pavs and use Budaj as the veteran back up? I cant see them trading Pavs if the Jets have a shot at the Playoffs. Its a really interesting thing. If Hutch is better, going into next year, they still have him on his ELC so they could keep both and have Pavs as an expensive back up. Im rooting for Hutch but its not time to put Pavs out to pasture yet.

Bringing in someone like Khari as QB coach gives you options next year (or mid season) if unfortunately they have to make a decision on Marcel. But would Khari be willing to take a step back and be QB coach?

Online concensus seems to be buff was both hero and goat and Pavs was not up to snuff.

Maybe im reading this wrong and not understanding... But are you saying someone accidentally hitting you in the WWE is the same thing as someone trying to actually knock you the F out in the UFC? WWE is a show and im positive they are not trying to hurt each other. They get hurt and no doubt hit to a point. But the idea of it is not the same. The guy across the ring in the UFC is actually wanting to hurt you and beat you up. WWE guy across the ring is only trying to put on a good show. Keep in mind that in mma you're trying not to get hit. In wwe you aren't duckinf shots because you expect the person you're working work to not hit you. Punks last concussion was in January from a clothesline that should never cause a concussion. If it was true that real punches always hurt and fake ones didn't then every mma fighter would be injured after a fight. They aren't. In wrestling you entrust the people you work with with your body. Far more serious injuries in wrestling than mma simple because of the nature of what you're doing and the prone position you're in. This has nothing to do with fake vs real.

Lol you are comparing them as though you stepped into either tomorrow? Because if you put in the required trading for both then your statement would be different. And without the required training no you could not be a wrestler tomorrow.

Didn't see the game. Why did we blow a lead and lose?

Listened to an expert (I didn't catch who) discussing economic sanctions on cjob. He was discussing why it didn't work on Cuba and his point was if you intend economic sanctions to trigger a revolution you have to truly be a bastard about it and cripple the nation and brutally harm the civilian population. And the western world generally falls short of that.

Can't say I disagree with you Tacklewasher.

$70 million is what I heard for losses for Sony on shelving the movie.

Thought about IT. But wwe is so lame right now that I can't imagine the house show being anything special. Though I beard Darren young returned. And if you saw the rosebuds, they were two guys who will be on my show on the 9th and one retired guy who used to wrestle for me and wwe. Spend your money and buy the New Japan PPV on Jan 2! (And PCW on the 9tj)

There is zero comparisons between the accumulated toll that is taken on your body between mma and pro wrestling. Wrestling is worse.

You're absolutely correct. And now that Brock has overcome diverticulitis he wants to go back to UFC. I think part of it is a desire to prove he can do it. Plus the pay days He's very very good at wrestling but hates the travel which is why he came back part time.

Yeah i don't like that Sony is capitulating but it's nkt sonys call to pull it from theatres. This is a US national security issue and the government needs to step in.

Well, it's relevant to the conversation here about Lesnar. He got his ass kicked. That's why he left for the easy $$ of the WWE where he can be the World Champ & never wrestle. Just look mean & intimidating. Yes he was run off from UFC. Pffffft

Personally I'd rather see Brock in wwe. But I can't imagine him turning down what will be a monster UFC offer. Fight for two more years and go back to wwe. It will depend on his passion for it and I know he hated not being at his best last time around. Imagine a card with two wrestlers on it. UFC fans will have a field day. That crowd heat would be off the charts.

If anything chevy might look to bring in help if the jets are still in the hunt at the deadline. I think they are comfortable with their team. Ladd and Buff need new deals next year. But 2016 is the big year with a lot of contracts coming due and a lot of salary being added if all are retained. I'd suspect Bogo or Enstron (probably Bogo) is trade bait then with trouba taking his spot. But if the jets are consistent playoff contenders management might open up more money.

That would be interesting if he was the only fighter to get beat. Brock won't make excuses but I will. He barely trained due to his disease. Was told to cancel fights. Refused.

He's overcome which is why he's made noise about going. And to UFC. He actually talked about a fight last year but wwe wouldn't let him do it. Brock wants to prove people wrong. At his age he wants to walk back in and be world champion. But if he loses he just shrugs it off. Like the nfl. Last cut of the Vikings who really wanted to keep him and told him to to Europe for one season and to him he had failed so he moved on to the next thing on his list.

It's just wrong to say Brock isn't a true fighter. Or that true fighters don't care about being draws. The fighters that aren't good and talking and hyping fights wish they were. UFC considered hiring Paul Heyman to work with their fighters on primos but didn't want to be perceived as working anything. Boxing knows this to a degree with guys who say and do outrageous things and then hug after. It's an act to draw money. Smart fighters want to draw money. Brock also refused to "work his way up" in UFC by fighting guys of the same MMA experience (none). He wanted too fighters right away. Brock isn't about screwing around to make money. He wants money ofcourse but he wants to prove something to himself. He walked out on tens of millions in wwe to try and make the nfl. The guys is all about trying to prove himself.