The Unknown Poster

Hmmmm Im not quite sure how it would play if the headline was "White people experience decline in life expectancy". I could see Fox running that headline. CNN's headline would be something about how thats a good thing.

A few groupies? *shakes head*

Bringing back Section S is fine. Making any sort of announcement about juvenile bahaviour changes the story to that specific thing and endorses said behaviour. A wiser course of action would have been to simply say they want Section S to be as fun and engaged as it used to be and will not be looking to enforce rules abour harmless behaviour if its just people having a good time. The problem now is, the "beer snake" is now a "thing" and will dominate a lot of coverage at the beginning of next season. If anyone gets hurt or causes a fight as a result, Wade will have to then rescind the policy change. Its just silly. I find it kind of embarrassing. Oh yeah good idea...announce that they are not going to enforce rules for harmless behaviour...great idea....not Missed the point. The point is that saying something that general leaves people wondering "so what is the harmless behaviour that they are not going to enforce?" Theyd find out pretty quick, no? ok you think so? and that is a good way for them to find out? Here is the press release...The Winnipeg Blue Bombers Football Club is pleased to announce that we will NOT be enforcing rules for harmless behavior....if you want to know what those are....wait and see!. Yes in your mind I guess that is the way for them to find out. Not too hard to see you have never made up any rules and figured out a way to enforce them or not. Use your head, use some common sense, use a little logic and maybe stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking. Obviously I didnt mean they should word it that way. There's a way to say hey we want our fans to have fun at our games and we arent going to be nazi's about it. Quite frankly, I wouldnt say anything. I'd handle it internally and move on. Then when some yahoos start a beer snake, they will notice security doesnt puff out their chests. Seems to me you are the one without logic. You didn't like the way they handled the snake announcement, then you say they should announce that they are not going to enforce rules for harmless behavior, I try to show you that you can't say things that way because it means nothing, then you say you don't get the point, but you don't offer your own version of a proper press release, then you say you wouldn't say anything which totally defeats what they are trying to accomplish with the announcement, and now you get downright nasty. Have a nice day! Someone had the cornflakes pissed in I see. If you cant grasp the point, there is no reason to dumb it down for you.

Coyotes will be in Vegas eventually.

What a joke these clowns are. http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/canadian-investors-give-up-control-so-coyotes-can-survive/article21450346/?service=mobile George Gosbee, Anthony LeBlanc and their group of Canadian investors are losing control of the Arizona Coyotes because they cannot afford to keep up the payments on the NHL franchise’s enormous debt. Gosbee and company can be seen as either plucky entrepreneurs who became victims of their own success or just the latest under-financed group of owners to see their house of cards collapse. In any event, with the proposed sale of a majority share of IceArizona, the Delaware company that owns the franchise, the Canadians will lose control of the team a little more than a year after buying it from the NHL. This is a tale rich in irony, since there was relief in sight for Gosbee, LeBlanc and company from NHL commissioner Gary Bettman in the form of the league’s new credit facility of $2-billion (all U.S. dollar figures) at attractive interest rates of about 3 per cent. But grabbing that lifeline, which represents an annual savings of more than $10-million in interest payments, would have subjected the Canadians to a collective tax bill of about $20-million from the Canada Revenue Agency, something else they could not afford. If the sale of about 55 per cent of IceArizona to Philadelphia hedge fund manager Andrew Barroway closes (i.e., if he raises the necessary cash), then the Coyotes will get under the low-interest security blanket of the NHL’s credit line. And, unbelievable as it seems, the team’s finances will be more stable than they have been in years. Indeed, one person familiar with the books of several NHL teams says the Coyotes could lose less money than the Carolina Hurricanes this season. But it will mean Gosbee, LeBlanc and their fellow Canadians will be on the outside. Yes, they will remain as minority owners, at least for now, and LeBlanc says he is staying on as team president. But it is clear Barroway intends to take charge. He has already replaced Gosbee as chairman and governor. Neither Gosbee nor LeBlanc would comment on the situation. Bettman also declined to discuss this in detail other than to dispute the accuracy of some of the information. But he did say in an e-mail message, “The club will be stronger financially (but not for all of the reasons you said).” As generally happens in these cases, the owners borrowed so much money and at such high interest rates that the loan payments sucked up too much of the Coyotes’ relatively small operating revenue until it became clear the ship was headed for the rocks. This revenue included $15-million annually from the suburban city of Glendale as an arena management fee. The amount of the Coyotes’ debt depends on who is doing the telling. Some say the Canadians borrowed $120-million from Fortress Investment Group at 10 per cent and $85-million from the NHL at a similar rate – a total of $205-million on a $170-million purchase. The extra was to provide working capital until the team could pay its own way. Those close to Gosbee and LeBlanc insist the total debt was never more than $170-million, which was equally split between Fortress and the NHL. Either way, the group was taking on the NHL’s worst financial sinkhole without the cushion of a large bank account. The $15-million payment from Glendale was essentially signed over to the team’s lenders, which meant none of it was available to pay the Coyotes’ operating expenses. Last season’s ticket revenue was said to be about $20-million, the lowest in the league, while the player payroll was $62.3-million, according to CapGeek.com. Even with shared revenue from the league in the $25-million range, it meant the team’s 2013-14 losses were well over $20-million. But when Bettman arranged the $2-billion in credit with a syndicate of banks a couple of months ago, backed by the NHL’s Canadian and U.S. television contracts, there was hope for the Coyotes’ owners. Alas, there were two catches. One, the NHL has a limit on how much teams can borrow, believed to be 50 per cent of the value of a franchise’s assets. By October, those close to the Coyotes said the team’s debt was down to $163-million, which was still too high to qualify for the NHL credit facility. Two, even if the Coyotes’ owners did manage to get a loan from the NHL bankers, they would have to register the current market value of the franchise, which LeBlanc said was now at $305-million. The jump in value of $135-million was attributed to the rich television deals and other rising league revenue. The second catch was the problem for the Canadians. They owned IceArizona, a U.S. company, through a Canadian holding company. In some cases, such Canadian companies are required to register the current market value of their assets with the Canadian tax authorities. The jump in value represented a large capital gain for the Canadian owners, and if they kept IceArizona they would be subject to a one-time capital-gains tax. A source familiar with the Coyotes situation said the owners were told by their tax advisers that the Canadian tax bill could come to $20-million. A few of the Canadians were willing to hang on, but the majority wanted another way out. This is where Barroway came in. He is also a Fortress client, and its officials – perhaps worried about seeing their loan paid off – brought Barroway and the Canadian owners together. Bettman is also credited by some for the creative solution that followed, although other sources say he was not initially enthusiastic about the sale. The decision was to sell a majority share of IceArizona to Barroway, who is a U.S. citizen. His share was announced as 51 per cent, although it may wind up as 55 per cent, with the value of the Canadian holding company’s shares receding to around 45 per cent. This means the Canadians may still be liable for a capital-gains tax but one they can manage. With the franchise valued at $305-million, Barroway’s 55-per-cent share is worth about $168-million, although it is not clear how much of that will be paid in cash. The important thing is the Canadian holding company’s share of the franchise drops to about $137-million, which makes a big difference in taxes. What is expected to happen now is that Barroway’s money will allow the Coyotes to pay off the existing high-interest loans to Fortress and the NHL. This will also allow the Coyotes to get under the borrowing limit of the low-interest NHL credit facility at a much more palatable rate of 3 per cent or so. The resulting debt is expected to be between $100-million and $125-million. The important thing is the drop in debt service from $17-million, according to one source, to less than $7-million a year. This allows the $15-million from Glendale to actually go to paying operating expenses, which leaves the franchise much more stable. So what’s in it for Barroway, considering the Coyotes still lose scads of money and those who know him say he does not have unlimited funds? That has to do with the five-year escape clause in the lease with Glendale and some financial footwork from Bettman, but more on that tomorrow.

Trouba will end up our number one guy with Enstrom sooner or later. Bogo might settle into a solid role with morrissey. Postma/Stuart rounds it out. Good d corp.

I fear the Jets will come back down to earth tomorrow. Big test. Love the Pens so I'm looking forward to it.

I disagree. I think he's finished. Although he's young so time might heal all wounds. He's not as smart as he thinks though. Handled this all wrong. Needed to be 100% honest with his PR people, tearfully admit he was a sex addict and enter rehab. People could get behind that. But his lying made that impossible now.

Bringing back Section S is fine. Making any sort of announcement about juvenile bahaviour changes the story to that specific thing and endorses said behaviour. A wiser course of action would have been to simply say they want Section S to be as fun and engaged as it used to be and will not be looking to enforce rules abour harmless behaviour if its just people having a good time. The problem now is, the "beer snake" is now a "thing" and will dominate a lot of coverage at the beginning of next season. If anyone gets hurt or causes a fight as a result, Wade will have to then rescind the policy change. Its just silly. I find it kind of embarrassing. Oh yeah good idea...announce that they are not going to enforce rules for harmless behaviour...great idea....not Missed the point. The point is that saying something that general leaves people wondering "so what is the harmless behaviour that they are not going to enforce?" Theyd find out pretty quick, no? ok you think so? and that is a good way for them to find out? Here is the press release...The Winnipeg Blue Bombers Football Club is pleased to announce that we will NOT be enforcing rules for harmless behavior....if you want to know what those are....wait and see!. Yes in your mind I guess that is the way for them to find out. Not too hard to see you have never made up any rules and figured out a way to enforce them or not. Use your head, use some common sense, use a little logic and maybe stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking. Obviously I didnt mean they should word it that way. There's a way to say hey we want our fans to have fun at our games and we arent going to be nazi's about it. Quite frankly, I wouldnt say anything. I'd handle it internally and move on. Then when some yahoos start a beer snake, they will notice security doesnt puff out their chests.

Exactly. Too many people assume the goalie is the end all be all of everything to do with a hockey team. Yes there are some goalies that excel when they face 40+ shots a night. Most dont. Pavs was good in Year 1 (named Jets MVP I believe). He started well last year. The team was atrocious in front of him. I like Lawless' take on this, that Pavs was too often out of position because he was either always making a spectacular save that his D allowed or he was anticipating having to make a spectacular save. He's been much more sound positionally this season so far. He will have spectacular games this season and he will have atrocious games this season. Every goalie does. But just last week people were calling for his head. People have to look at the big picture. If you actually watched the games you could see Pavs was better and now the stats have cought up with that. Im glad to see Hutch have a great game too. I was worried about his confidence. He's very sound positionally and thats what he showed against Chicago. Always in the right place, ready to make the right save.

Thats the liberal spin though. A lot of us Cons dont believe that. A lot of Cons who believe that fundementally dont care. Remember, Harper was going to ban gays, ban abortion, have military on the streets, bring back the death penalty. He's done none of that. He's been a very very good leader. Very measured. Im a social liberal, fiscal conservative and I support Harper 100%. I think gays should do whatever they want. I think abortion should be a lot harder to get (too many people use it as birth control), gun control is great but gun crazy isnt, I believe in God but it has nothing to do with my politics.

And actually considering the fact that so many people are coming out and saying "everyone" remotely connected to Jian knew how he was, it probably wouldnt be out of the realm of reasonable to ask "what did Justin know?" I cant even fathom that the CBC still exists. Its such a sacred cow. Anytime you try and touch it, its a massive backlash. Its not needed and certainly in its present form as a liberal party media machine it's insulting to the rest of Canadians. If CBC wants to have a political slant, let it go private. It's a joke. And Trudeau is a joke. What an embarrassment he'd be as PM. If you actually subtracted the Anti-Harper crowd (who must still be waiting for him to unleash his secret agenda on Canadians), I wonder how many *actually* want this clown as PM. I have little doubt that once a campaign begins, Harper will (or at least should) wipe the mat with this guy in debates. He has one foot permanently stuck in his mouth. I've voted liberal a few times and I'd be embarrassed to support the party with this guy as leader.

Except the right wing news stations dont do that as a general rule. Im sorry you paint the entire conservative perspective with the same brush. Unfortunate for you lol Maher comes across as a pompous ass who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Which is mostly unfortunate because he rarely is.

Bringing back Section S is fine. Making any sort of announcement about juvenile bahaviour changes the story to that specific thing and endorses said behaviour. A wiser course of action would have been to simply say they want Section S to be as fun and engaged as it used to be and will not be looking to enforce rules abour harmless behaviour if its just people having a good time. The problem now is, the "beer snake" is now a "thing" and will dominate a lot of coverage at the beginning of next season. If anyone gets hurt or causes a fight as a result, Wade will have to then rescind the policy change. Its just silly. I find it kind of embarrassing. Oh yeah good idea...announce that they are not going to enforce rules for harmless behaviour...great idea....not Missed the point. The point is that saying something that general leaves people wondering "so what is the harmless behaviour that they are not going to enforce?" Theyd find out pretty quick, no?

Bringing back Section S is fine. Making any sort of announcement about juvenile bahaviour changes the story to that specific thing and endorses said behaviour. A wiser course of action would have been to simply say they want Section S to be as fun and engaged as it used to be and will not be looking to enforce rules abour harmless behaviour if its just people having a good time. The problem now is, the "beer snake" is now a "thing" and will dominate a lot of coverage at the beginning of next season. If anyone gets hurt or causes a fight as a result, Wade will have to then rescind the policy change. Its just silly. I find it kind of embarrassing. Oh yeah good idea...announce that they are not going to enforce rules for harmless behaviour...great idea....not Missed the point.

Isnt saying you'd enjoy it when you were young and stupid mean you think it *is* juvenile?

Bringing back Section S is fine. Making any sort of announcement about juvenile bahaviour changes the story to that specific thing and endorses said behaviour. A wiser course of action would have been to simply say they want Section S to be as fun and engaged as it used to be and will not be looking to enforce rules abour harmless behaviour if its just people having a good time. The problem now is, the "beer snake" is now a "thing" and will dominate a lot of coverage at the beginning of next season. If anyone gets hurt or causes a fight as a result, Wade will have to then rescind the policy change. Its just silly. I find it kind of embarrassing.

Except I didn't say people who watched those networks were idiots, I said the people who actually take them seriously are idiots. It's entertainment and I am convinced they're all doing the same schtick a Stephen Colbert except everyone knows that Colbert is a comedian playing a bit, some people actually think the commentators on those news networks aren't playing characters. I will often read the Calgary Sun when I'm getting an oil change, and every single time I roll my eyes at the opinion pieces spinning things into some huge left wing conspiracy. It's obvious baiting and sensationalism yet there are people who take it at face value, those are the idiots. It's no different than those left wing blogs you see people taking seriously too. Most of the mainstream networks do have a bit of a lean to the left to them I won't disagree with that, but none of them to the extent that Fox News or Sun News go in the opposite direction. I say this as someone who has always voted conservative. These imbeciles going full ***** with their right wing news do more harm to real conservative values than they help it and I wish they'd cut it out so that progressive conservatives stop getting lumped in with the intolerant assholes. Conservative has become a dirty word and it's in large part because of those types. Interesting. When I read the Winnipeg Sun I dont see the conspiracy nonsense you do. Must be our perspectives. While Fox can be entertaining, I find some of theior coverage very informative. I *do* like O'Reilly. He more often than not has a correct perspective on things. The best right wing "entertainer" is Dennis Miller. Whereas Rush and Beck take themselves too seriously and seem to think the right wing idealogy is an all or nothing proposition, Miller seems to "get it". He's also hilarious. I remember him being asked as a right wing conservative what is his opinion on gay marriage and he basically said it was about 33,542nd on his list of things to care about. i thought that was a clever way to poke fun at the losers who are against it. On the flip side, I find Michael Moore and Bill Maher unwatchable for their idiotic views.

Agree with most of this, but I strongly disagree they're equally crazy. Equally biased sure, but the crazy factor coming from Fox News & their ilk is something else. Who on the left can compete with Glenn Beck & Rush Limbaugh? The heavy coverage of "death panels" early in the Ocare days was something else Beck and Rush arent serious commentators. They are brands and entertainers. I like Rush (liked him more when he wasnt as far right a few years ago) but Beck is a complete joke. I'd say a guy like Trudeau is equally as nuts on the other side. He just goes out of his way to try and appeal to the centre even though thats not who he is at all. As for Obama, im all for health care and no one who brought in health care reform was going to be able to do it without some issues. But as iso said, Obama came in talking change and it was laughable how transparent he was. He'd do those rallys and the sheep would be cheering wildly. Ask them why they liked Obama: "He's going to change everything!" Change what? "Everything!" How? "Change!" Give me a break. It was really a study in the gullibility of the masses. The racial divide was also disheartening. If a large number of white people voted for a candidate because he was white, there would be outrage. Its a shame too because Hillary would have been a lot better than Obama.

I love the "Pavs sucks" losers have crawled back into their holes. I saw a debate somewhere else where people were so angry that we didnt resign Montoya, using his stats from, what, two games, as proof he was a better goalie. Even went so far as to say that because Florida signed him, it meant "every" other team was interested in him. It may be early but Pavs has been our best player.

This is my real issue. It's not so much that they're repealing the ban, it's that they're making a point to announce it. It's moronic... Its actually laughably unprofessional and makes me question Wade Miller's leadership. Not enough to care either way but if he thought this was a good idea, he needs to go back to business school for a couple of years.

Everyone should watch the video in its entirety. And can we please punt the CBC already? sun news network? now don't get me wrong I'm a conservative leaning person anyway, but sun news is at this point basically parody. You have to wonder sometimes if they're actually in on the joke. They're trying to be Fox News, but the idiot demographic in Canada isn't nearly as large as in the US, so they struggle for an audience. So conservatives are idiots? Thank God Fox news exists or it would be all smiling Obama-is-great rhetoric 24/7. No it's not conservatives who are idiots, it's the people who can't see how over the top ridiculous foxnews and sun news network are that are idiots. Right wing media, liberal media they're all equally crazy and both need to stop trying to spin the story to fit an agenda and just report the facts. You seem angry about Obama for some reason, what are those reasons? Not angry about Obama at all. Just think he's a failed president. Empty suit. All hat, no cattle. People who watch/read Fox News and Sun News are not idiots. Ofcourse you will always have the drooling segment that cant separate things. But those of us intelligent enough to do so can often find a lot of interesting information and commentary on both. Though to be fair, I dont watch Sun news. I dont think i get the channel. If I did get Fox news, I'd watch it regularly. As it is, I often watch CNN when Im looking for wall to wall coverage of something. But usually I pick and choose online. As an aside, I used to work for Bell and the reason Fox was not included in the news bundle was because it was so popular it could be sold seperately. An enormous amount of people appreciate having a perspective other than the usual mainstream spin. And many of us that do so can absolutely disagree with things we see and hear on Fox or anywhere else. But calling those people idiots is, in fact, idiotic.

lol Wade Miller announces the beer snake is okay so that means he's not focused on building a winning team. I guess the beer snake decision took up a lot of his time and energy. geez

Half wanted them gone when they were hired.

I disagree about Lowry...I thought he was very steady as usual. I thought Bogo was not as good as the other night, he had some giveaways. Although Ladd had a good goal, I still can't get over the fact that virtually every game, he makes a bone headed pass by not looking what he is doing. Too bad Pavs let in a weak one...otherwise three shutouts in a row. I just noticed Lowry unable to keep up with Buff a few times. It wasnt constant, but saw it a couple of times. Downlow cycle, Lowry wasnt holding up his end of the bargain. Tough comparison though. Ladd made a terribly stupid play trying to unload a huge body check, missed his man and I think it went for a 2 on 1. Moments later though, Ladd jumped back into the play and took the puck out of the Jets' zone. But yes, he often makes one glaring mistake per game. Still dont think I like Kane-Scheif-Wheeler as a line. Its almost too much. I think Scheif is good with either guy but probably benefits Kane more. I'd either swap Wheeler and Frolik or move Frolik back to 3rd line.