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Not bad... But I still don't understand your position on the protests? Do you think the protests will spark a second wave and if not, why not? Is it because covid doesn't spread easily outside - even in large crowds - then there's no real reason not to restart the CFL season? Or did the protestors 'use precautions' even though most images contradict this claim? It would follow that if we moderately social distance and a few wear masks we can go right back to normal - instead of completely restructuring society?

Not to a virus.

A typical TUP post... You don't have to be a 'truther' to see the flaw in the logic that covid does not affect people if its a good cause. To say that protestors were taking precautions is delusional - even in Canada, its a mixed bag - definitely not social distancing... But again that's my point - its easy to mock the Trump dummies when they gathered in public... but now that BLM is a good cause and a cause we all believe in - yet its contrary to what we've been told we can/can't do... its tough

First of all your premise is based on misinformation - tell me why we have to do 'a lot more' than improve care and precautions for the elderly, specifically care homes - then the vast majority of cases are in care homes? We need to focus 80% of our resources and efforts on elderly/nursing homes and make some minor changes elsewhere. Anyway, some basic things - from the start, I would have alleviated crowding in nursing homes by either using emergency funds for ATCO trailers or booking empty hotels as covid patient quarantine sites; Denmark met with success because they quickly treated covid patients in hospital with oxygen - BEFORE the symptoms became critical - the difference in many other places was that we treated covid AFTER it was critical and that's why the death rate is higher - basically return to 'normal' not a 'new normal' for the general populace - for people over, 60 they would be advised to wear face masks when in contained areas - planes, etc... The BLM protests should soon tell us whether social distancing is needed or not - increase outdoor activity and nature-based activities for schools - no social distancing for kids but also I wouldn't lock them inside for 8 hours a day... the virus spreads mainly through contained spaces and through contained ventilation systems - office spaces would need to be rethought as a 'new normal' - rotating workers between home and office and possibly staggered work hours - i.e. I would maintain a cap on 'office gatherings' rather than social gatherings... contagion is based on proximity times length of exposure - mass antibodie testing as soon as possible to determine how far covid spread and then determine our test and track response from there - not sure why this is not being done in more places - I would hold the ban on indoor concerts, meetings and conventions until we get antibodie testing - however, Trump will start holding rallies again soon so he will give us a good control group for that

I’m no poser, yo. and no one ever actually suggests we return to normal and have no precautions to protect the elderly so I wonder why people argue this point... however we shouldn’t act like it’s as contagious as originally believed however I will be watching for a spike after these protests - I don’t think it’s coming at all and I don’t think elderly people will die - Hopefully the Italian doctor is correct and the virus is drastically weakening

I like critical thinking and I like learning about all sides of issues - covid is a rabbit hole with different countries measuring cases and deaths in different ways, some articles go viral while others drift away, all very interesting. Yes do not like to have my liberties infringed unnecessarily... and I have a strong mistrust of government motives - for example... https://thenarwhal.ca/8-things-alberta-suspends-even-more-environmental-monitoring-oil-gas-industry/ ...this was easy to predict... same as Trump destroying environmental regulations using covid as an excuse... etc etc etc My concern from day one is not with lockdown but it is with the 'momentum' of lockdown... I do believe that the 'cure' has fast become more harmful than covid itself - we are just starting to feel the repercussions - i.e. delayed cancer screening, the nursing home controversy, liberties removed, distrust between people, etc In general, people still seem to believe that Covid is as dangerous and contagious as first reported from Italy and China... looking back, it is becoming very evident that this has more of the traits of a traditional respiratory disease than something entirely new. But people now seem ready to shout down any dissenting opinions that don't fit what they were told - instead of seeking out new ideas. I merely took offence at the underlying assumption that I don't have anyone in danger of dying of covid in my life and therefore that's why I am taking a skeptical view of expert and government advice. If that was not your intention, then that's great...

Wuhan just tested 11 million people and of them only 300 were positive and asymptomatic - it was determined from contact tracing that they were not spreading the virus... Covid is effective 'gone' from Wuhan - if you believe the Chinese... Information is really quite variable right now - this could mean that there are two strains... who knows.

Same thing they said last time... Dems were supposed to sweep both chambers with Hillary v Trump They fall for the same old Charlie Brown move every time - let's play safe and nice and quietly coast to a win... I just hope for all of our sakes that they finally do it. Seems like a long shot.

Brilliant. I need to read that again

Fair point - I'd probably think Mike Hogan is the natural choice then

This whole board is a constant I told you so moment ha - how long have you been here? Its basically lord of the flies. Also don't project - you have no knowledge of my life and I don't have any about yours... I don't try to claim to know what you're thinking so please return the favour I only started posting again because a few guys on here were cracking jokes about how delusional it was to think that covid was an elderly and nursing home problem... except it is. And that will likely be demonstrated in the next two weeks... Once we accept that its not killing everyone in the general populace and spreading exponentially then we accelerate the return to normalcy... or should anyway.

Buddy, I'm not sure what you think it means - but the numbers I am stating are the official numbers and percentages that are released by the government Not sure what you think 'after the fact' is... but unless you start actually stating a position, its very hard to understand what point you are trying to get across Simply question - do you think there will be a second wave because of these protests and if not, why not?

Of course they were 'after the fact - that's why I cite them as 'facts' and not opinions or conjecture... Again, instead of answering the question - you resort to 'go watch youtube videos'... Feel free to check Reuters, BBC, AlJazeera, CBC, G&M, WHO/CDC, The Guardian for more on my 'conspiracy' theories We are warned every day that restricting lockdown must be slow to avoid a second wave - now we just mobilized massive crowds in almost every country recovering from covid... Hundreds of people either die now... or it turns out that covid really was a 'nursing home' problem... Interesting times.

Did you know that his father played in the NFL?

This is the crux of my question... why are we automatically considering Sara Orlesky a 'shoe horn'... someone who's covered CFL from the sidelines for 12 years

I think a better way to put this is that countries around the world are currently participating in a 'worst-case' scenario for the spread of covid... gathering in the centre of cities by the thousands and not social distancing... for extended periods of time... including the elderly and immuno-compromised All of the instructions from our experts indicate these protests - based on our accepted beliefs about covid's contagion - mean that the second wave should be coming within days and a massive amount of death will follow... no? Did I misinterpret our reasons for social distancing and lockdown - that one asymptomatic person may infect 2-3 others and covid spreads exponentially if not contained? Well the world is officially not containing it... so what do you guys predict will happen? I'm interested. We can't use the excuse that its hot and summer because covid is spreading through Africa and the Caribbean... so if we don't experience a spike in deaths, does that mean that social distancing is relatively pointless? And if so, why?

Explain how their mistakes had any different results from our mistakes? We transferred one patient from Oshawa hospital to a nursing home and likely killed 77 people as a result of that move... how is that 'better' than Sweden? If Canada takes a more measured approach - and doesn't clear out hospital beds in a panic - we likely have 2/3 or even half the deaths - this isn't conjecture, its been covered in several articles

You just illustrated EXACTLY the point I was making... I watched the Wittkowski video and considered his points - many of which have validity - I doubt that you watched, am I wrong? Then to suit your own argument - you extrapolate that to suggest that I'm saying EVERYONE else was wrong Sweden gets jumped on because they admit they made mistakes... but so did Italy, New York, Canada... Just like the protests - no one is calling the BlackLivesMatters protestors idiots for not social distancing and predicting their deaths... but you guys were doing exactly that with everyone else just weeks ago - you can't have it both ways

This is a challenging stance to take given that Rod Black and Glen Suitor are the 'senior' members of the TSN colour crew... I'll give you a chance to rephrase that - but I do believe in equal opportunity more than simply best candidate, yes. My question to you - if you had a CFL sideline reporter - Orlesky - working on games since 2008 and that same person heads up the Winnipeg sports department, why would you dismiss them as a candidate? Especially if you're looking to be a progressive growing league

I'm only speaking based on what's on this board - everyone on here seems to be waiting for Sweden to fail so we can have an 'aha' moment I do know that the main epidemiologist who suggested herd immunity was the answer - Knut Wittowski - was banned from youtube - merely for stating a different view... no conspiracy or anything like Plandemic attempted but just expressing his opinion as an epidemiologist with years of experience with SARS Using his name, I realize that posters will jump on his name and try to make my points sound like crazy conspiracies... but that's part of the deal I guess

The rules are no gatherings over 50. Not 'stable gatherings over 50 only'. I have seen pics of Van and Winnipeg - sometimes social distancing and sometimes really really not. You can't argue that we can only listen to the experts because they are experts and we are not... and then make excuses when we don't. Regardless, if the experts were/are correct about covid's contagious nature, there should be massive spikes in cases and then deaths around the world after these protests. Every time there has been a mass gathering - this board has been full of comments like 'those idiots'... 'Darwinism at its finest'... but now we expect that covid will take a break because BLM is a good cause?

Again, a non sequitur - the only arguments I've seen on here are about our response vs degree of risk - and actually the world economy has crashed so those predictions were correct. I would assume that epidemiologists had a pretty good idea how it would play out - but we didn't listen to the ones who's opinions didn't agree with our lockdown

I would venture that we debate that once a vaccine is actually developed... in a year or two when Covid is treated by society as 'just another flu' Right now, the only data we have for SARS-like viruses is that we develop herd immunity and it eventually magically goes away. The current protests will give us answers very quickly on whether the experts were correct or not... but gathering in a group of 20,000 in Winnipeg 'should' spread covid like wildfire - but of course, it won't because we've known all along that respiratory viruses do not easily spread outside... Its the hunting and pecking of information that I find interesting on this board

That's my point. Because of two cases in their 20s and 30s... you use that as proof that somehow the overwhelming majority of critical cases and deaths are not related to the elderly and nursing homes. Its a non sequitur... as usual. I have never seen a post on here that says covid can't be caught by any age group - but I have read many arguments that we should be protecting the elderly and not shutting down the general populace.

Now that's funny.