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We could pick a half dozen guys that would have made more sense to move on from to keep Janarion in retrospect. However, at the time the decision was made I can understand it. I don't agree with it...but I get it. He was coming off back to back years of serious injuries, and had been non-commital about returning. Only so long you can wait for a guy to answer his phone in a year where dollars were super tight. There has been no bigger fan boy of Janarion on this forum than me, and at the time I wasn't all that surprised or upset that we didn't re-sign him. I thought it was a mistake, but I also truth be told did not see him returning to his old self either.

I think Hervey is a good choice for them.

I wish MOS would be more forthright because I think it would shut up a lot of the people who criticize. I can also respect why he isn't. You are allowed relief for one firing every so many years I believe. However, at the end of the day Rick Campbell may have been relieved of duties by BC but his contract is still in place until the end of next season. Now, naturally no team is going to prevent a fired coach from seeking new employment but technically teams do have to ask permission to talk to him. It's a technicality really but so long as Rick Campbell expects them to honor his contract, teams must get permission to talk to him. EDIT: Rick Campbell is not under contract for next year. His contract expires Jan.1/2025. Up until that point he is technically under contract with the BC Lions and it would require their permission for others to talk to him which I am sure would be given. Same goes for Neil McEvoy.

Rick Campbell may have been relieved of duties, but is still under contract to the Lions as they are responsible to pay his salary. Therefore, it is highly unlikely any team would ever deny permission but technically teams are required to ask. Nor should he. At the end of the day, none of us here are behind the scenes. The fans are making criticisms based mostly on an incomplete set of information. If we knew every detail of the locker room, medical issues, chemistry of the room etc. we very well may change our opinion on a number of topics that we are soundly criticizing coaching for. That's the bottom line. We pretend to know but we don't.

Janarion was moving on. We needed cap room to keep Lawler/Schoen in the fold. The choice to bring back Schoen was the right one even though it didn't work out.

MOS is not now, nor will he be, on any sort of hot seat this offseason. I am sure some frank conversations will be had between the trinity this offseason about what they can all do better and what changes need to take place to make that happen. None of those changes will be MOS, nor will his name even come up.

Yea...the narrative that wholesale changes need to happen is a little over the top. We have a fantastic core of management, coaches, players. Needs some tweaking but not anything on the wholesale level. I think we are in a stronger position going into this next season, then we were going into this one.

Walters, Miller, and MOS will sit down this offseason go over what they did well and didn't do well. Make a plan to change what is necessary, and go forward. Just as they have done every year for the past 10 years. None of us will know what is said behind those doors, and they will all emerge out of there united and ready to build the team to go to the Cup next year. I am not betting against them doing so.

At the professional level, it is the players that must find their own motivation and preparedness. I am not going to defend Buck's game plan, but we could have won with it. We saw dropped balls, bad penalties, and poor execution in general. You will never convince me that execution is on the coaches...because I know better than that.

Nope...I leave that to you nut tugging the players completely off the hook. No room for me in the back of the room where you are running the train.

He could hold the ball just fine. One interception of the 3 was on a bad throw. The other 2 were god awful reads. You think we can do better than MOS do tell, WHO? It's a garbage take imo, that lets an abomination of poor play by our players off the hook. I have NEVER claimed MOS is perfect, or that he doesn't make mistakes. I just don't go the complete opposite direction that you do and claim every mistake is on him. You want a balanced take show a balanced take.

Ok not 100%. But certainly the vast majority of the stink rests right on the 5 turnovers, bad penalties, and dropped balls by receivers. That is not coaching.

Disagree with your post. A team that prepares can make a ton of mistakes. Has nothing to do with preparedness. has everything to do with execution and motivation. Going 4 straight passes with Wilson seems mystifying until you see the defensive formation. Any OC, and any QB ever will take what the defence is giving. BO, or not, running into the teeth of an Argonaut 8 man box is stupidity. Why do you go back to Collaros, because realistically he is your only chance at victory and has been since Streveler went down. Wilson has shown progress but he is not there yet. Our only hope was that Zac can fight through the injury and find a way. He couldn't and didn't. Doesn't make it the wrong decision though, just means that we had a roster issue that wasn't addressed when it needed to be addressed earlier in the season. You THINK you are right. I'm not defending the coaching, but you are letting the players off the hook here. This game was 95% on players stinking and 5% on coaching.

It would have mattered GREATLY if we executed our game plan flawlessly. This loss is 100% on the players. I know you are going to spin this into a MOS offseason of rants, but this is not on him at all. He didn't turn the ball over 5 times, he didn't take crucial bad penalties. If there was ever a case of players dropping the proverbial ball at the wrong time this was it. Roster management did not make an iota of difference in this one. The players need to all look at themselves, with the exception of Willie J, and ask themselves why they didn't show up.

Unless 7/11's in Saskatchewan have been putting racoon or possum in their meat pies I doubt that is what they were eating. Mr. Pib and toilet hooch....perhaps. By Don or Wally comparison's I assume you are talking about jettisoning off older players? If so, who and who is replacing them. I mean, Biggie is a given and probably Alexander...who else?

Imagine their Grey Cup parties yesterday. Nothing...just a bottle of Orange Fanta with some home made potato vodka and an empty pit in their stomach, from watching other teams play, all right there where the chicken wings and Chili should be. What a miserable existence that would be. It's hard to take either way.

I mean we are sitting here grousing about another blown Grey Cup appearance, but just imagine how it is to be a Rider fan.

He, like the rest of the offence, was not dialed in at all. Absolutely no question about that. Very disappointed in Wheatfall's effort, or lack thereof, on that play. On a different note, the officiating was god awful and definitely impacted this game.

Wheatfall did muff that for sure. Wilson's other 3 passes were god awful.

Wilson was put into a real bad position. The Argos had 8 men in the box and basically forcing the Bombers to throw. Wilson was off the mark, as most rookie backups would be, and Toronto's defensive gamble was well founded. This is why putting Zac back in the game was the right gamble at the time. Turned out badly but Wilson was not getting it done.

We lost our QB when we were down by a point. Wilson was not going to win us that game either. Tough choice for MOS, and one that would have been wrong either way because we had no real backup QB. I'm not trying to crap on Wilson, but does anybody here think he leads us to victory? Hindsight will tell us that Zac sucked when he returned too....but you gotta go with him even if his finger is cut and hope he guts it out. Unfortunately, he could not.

We don't have to do any of these 3 things to win, although doing them all sure helps. In championship games your big time players have to make big time plays. Do that and you can win any game. I just have this feeling that our defence is gonna damn near pitch a shut out. They are that good,,,,,or at least I believe they are...lol. You gotta just hit the hole and let instinct take over without an ounce of fear.

I really don't see him as a fit anymore and that's not a knock on him because someone else will almost definitely sign him.

Yea...flew under my radar...but yea very solid player. Such a crowded secondary....my gosh....just unreal amount of talent there.

The injury losses turned out to be a blessing in disguise, and that's not meant to poop on Wilson, Bighill or Schoen....all great players. But in a year we needed to see some development of young players we did. All 3 of those losses could have skidded us out of the playoffs if the offseason we had from the scouts and the GM hadn't been so solid. Man...our LBer crew came out of nowhere at the exact right time, A guy like Bonds just steps in seamlessly and has an all star level season. On and on I could go. What particularly impresses me is how much further along we are towards have a very real and legit chance at the home GC this year because we're not aging out a ton of players and the guys we are we have field tested their replacements. Just solid team building.