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That's his best case, and that is a long shot.

I totally agree. Teams have their top 3 QB spots picked before TC even opens imo. Maybe there is an open competition sometimes for QB3 but even when that happens most of the time the winner is replaced by a recent TC cut from another team. UDFA QBs have a very tiny chance of sticking, one that was developed in the CIS...even less. Elgersma's only remote chance is that some coach falls in love with him for some reason, and that is highly unlikely.

Elgersma didn't do much in that pre-season game. He ran a mostly high % short yardage passing game. The numbers look good but I watched it and he was nothing speclal. It was one read and out of his hands kind of stuff.

The thing is that you can only keep so many guys on the roster and futures can definitely be helpful sometimes when roster spots are limited. Is a 3rd rounder likely to come in and beat out any of your incumbents? That's the question you ask, if not then a futures pick can be the smart pick at that position. Lots goes into the equation, whats our roster makeup currently, what is our projection for our 2nd and 3rd year NATs? How deep is the draft? One shouldn't think that Elgersma is a flyer either. He is a guy chasing a dream that is going to end up here. A NAT QB with a high ceiling and a high probability of being in the CFL sooner rather than later is NOT a flyer. So, in short I agree with your assessment that rounds 3-4 you go realistic fliers, and then hail marys after that IF the draft is not deep or you don't want to draft someone just to have to release someone of equal talent already on your roster.

Elgersma will be here eventually. You guys are getting panicked about nothing. Best thing that could happen for us is that he gets another NFL camp to develop.

I really don't mind if we reach with the extra pick IF it's for a guy that is a bubble NFLer. If we have to wait a year or two I'm OK with that.

Bailey likely slides into the rotation for sure. Not sure he is a FT DE starter but will probably be a nice complimentary piece to our DL.

Vega wasn't a great pass rusher but he did a lot of the other things really well. Yea...his career was way too short.

Jackson Jeffcoat was not chopped liver either

We have last year's UFL MVP coming to camp, that's how much lighting it up in the UFL is worth.

It would take a lot of injuries. There are a crap load of former 2nd, 3rd, and PR QBs currently out of work that would get the call ahead of him. Heck last year the NFL even pulled Rivers out of retirement before they would look down their depth charts and FA's. Injuries is not a viable way into the NFL for Elgersma.

Over the last 10 years not one QB invited as a combine arm has been in an NFL training camp the same year.

Let's be honest....the NFL hasn't exactly beaten down his door. A couple workouts to stay in the good graces of his agent probably. For the life of me I can't believe he can't see the forest through the trees yet. Does he seriously think he's going to be the first CIS QB to crack an NFL roster, in what...like a hundred years? someone is blowing sunshine up his arse and he is eating it with a spoon, and that is unfortunate.

The learning curve is small for the DEs and DTs, sure there are some nuances they can pick up, but if a guy can disrupt he can display that very early in his CFL career. We have not had anyone of that ilk up here in years. Will a bonafide DT/DE get better over time, for sure, but if a guy can't display the basics of the pass rush right off the bat there is no use wasting out time and we haven't and other teams have occasionally tried our guys out after we release them or don't re-sign them and have come to the exact same conclusion. Bunch of ham and eggers. Our recruitment needs to be a crap load better on the DL. That being said, the guys we brought in late last year show some actual promise. Instead of pretending that duds like Fox and Garbutt were somehow reasonable starters. Rotational AT BEST, and we need starters and not just starters IMPACT starters. Had we "developed" them properly that was the ceiling for them.

I think he showed some really good stuff in NFL TC. That being said, he is undoubtedly a project and anyone thinking he is our starter next year is really optimistic. I hope he is because that would be something, but I would be shocked if he were ready and that is presuming he comes here this year first.

At the pro level they have to perform. DE, DT shouldn't require much for development. We just had crap recruiting in these areas. In one game we saw more promise out of Jaworski and Jenkins than any of the garbage we've recruited at DE over the past several years. I don't mean to crap on the young DEs over the years, but anyone we brought in was either unable to get home, or unable to play the run. The DTs were slightly better but certainly nothing worth keeping around as starters. I just don't think our recruiting was looking for a typical DE, seems like they favored a tweener type that just wasn't working for us.

Having Ceresna will certainly help in the disruption department. If two of our rookie DE's can show they are ready for a starter/rotational roles that would be very helpful as well. I really like what Jaworski did in his only showing last year. He is the guy I will be very interested in watching in TC. That probably gives him the kiss of death, but so be it.

By the time he is in his prime that number is likely 700k per. The SMS is moving up at a pretty good pace right now.

Problem is that it crowds out the bar bands even more. There just isn't many live entertainment venues anymore and there are so many bands, even quality bands with recording contracts, fighting for these rooms that it is very difficult for a young band just starting out to get gigs unless they are willing to play for peanuts. When I started out in the hospitality industry I managed a couple hotels with live entertainment and the ground completely shifted in the early 90's. Full week gig venues became back 3 only, guys like Kenny Shields completely disrupted the scene as well by playing for peanuts at the A bars, reinvented the pay scale. Many venues just hired DJs because they were suddenly drastically cheaper if you rented a song library and just got a guy to play your cds. Then, of course, the liquor laws of the era that virtually killed the night clubs.

He has a far greater chance of making that money in the CFL vs the NFL is what my point is. Yes, obviously he would have to have a long and successful career to attain that.

If he does he will starve. He'd be a great guy around a camp fire but there are a ton of guys with a guitar that are far better than him busking for a meal. Live music went the way of the dodo bird a long time ago unless you are willing to play for peanuts or are an original songwriter good enough to get a recording contract (which Woogie is neither). When CDs came around it killed the live music industry. Bands get paid about 2/3 of what they were making in 1988. The going rate is about 100 bucks a guy per night. 150 on weekends.

That could be said to some extent about any coach ever. No coach succeeds consistently without talent provided.

Gotta be $. Although, and I know this isn't a popular opinion, I think he is pretty over rated.

Elgersma (if his agents had half a brain) should come here ASAP, train hard, work hard, and be ready if there is an injury to Collaros. Should he have the ability to dominate our game he has the same earning potential as Rourke at much shorter odds than the NFL. He can parlay his career into something that grosses him 7-8 million before he hangs them up but he's gonna have to take lumps for at least the first year of that. I can confidently, and with 100% certainty tell you that 7-8 million in the CFL will far outweigh any potential career earnings in the NFL he is dreaming about. We keep talking about the low salary he will make this year, while forgetting that is inevitable and shaving a potential 750k a year (if he were a quality CDN starter) off his career earnings and if he isn't a quality CDN starter in our league, then waiting for the NFL has no point either. That is the case with most football players. Not many go out when they should. Most need to be told, and that's just the make up of a football player really.

It's not a shot. I am hoping he develops into something more, but he's not there now. We need to add some proven NAT receiver depth.