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Let's be honest....the NFL hasn't exactly beaten down his door. A couple workouts to stay in the good graces of his agent probably. For the life of me I can't believe he can't see the forest through the trees yet. Does he seriously think he's going to be the first CIS QB to crack an NFL roster, in what...like a hundred years? someone is blowing sunshine up his arse and he is eating it with a spoon, and that is unfortunate.

The learning curve is small for the DEs and DTs, sure there are some nuances they can pick up, but if a guy can disrupt he can display that very early in his CFL career. We have not had anyone of that ilk up here in years. Will a bonafide DT/DE get better over time, for sure, but if a guy can't display the basics of the pass rush right off the bat there is no use wasting out time and we haven't and other teams have occasionally tried our guys out after we release them or don't re-sign them and have come to the exact same conclusion. Bunch of ham and eggers. Our recruitment needs to be a crap load better on the DL. That being said, the guys we brought in late last year show some actual promise. Instead of pretending that duds like Fox and Garbutt were somehow reasonable starters. Rotational AT BEST, and we need starters and not just starters IMPACT starters. Had we "developed" them properly that was the ceiling for them.

I think he showed some really good stuff in NFL TC. That being said, he is undoubtedly a project and anyone thinking he is our starter next year is really optimistic. I hope he is because that would be something, but I would be shocked if he were ready and that is presuming he comes here this year first.

At the pro level they have to perform. DE, DT shouldn't require much for development. We just had crap recruiting in these areas. In one game we saw more promise out of Jaworski and Jenkins than any of the garbage we've recruited at DE over the past several years. I don't mean to crap on the young DEs over the years, but anyone we brought in was either unable to get home, or unable to play the run. The DTs were slightly better but certainly nothing worth keeping around as starters. I just don't think our recruiting was looking for a typical DE, seems like they favored a tweener type that just wasn't working for us.

Having Ceresna will certainly help in the disruption department. If two of our rookie DE's can show they are ready for a starter/rotational roles that would be very helpful as well. I really like what Jaworski did in his only showing last year. He is the guy I will be very interested in watching in TC. That probably gives him the kiss of death, but so be it.

By the time he is in his prime that number is likely 700k per. The SMS is moving up at a pretty good pace right now.

Problem is that it crowds out the bar bands even more. There just isn't many live entertainment venues anymore and there are so many bands, even quality bands with recording contracts, fighting for these rooms that it is very difficult for a young band just starting out to get gigs unless they are willing to play for peanuts. When I started out in the hospitality industry I managed a couple hotels with live entertainment and the ground completely shifted in the early 90's. Full week gig venues became back 3 only, guys like Kenny Shields completely disrupted the scene as well by playing for peanuts at the A bars, reinvented the pay scale. Many venues just hired DJs because they were suddenly drastically cheaper if you rented a song library and just got a guy to play your cds. Then, of course, the liquor laws of the era that virtually killed the night clubs.

He has a far greater chance of making that money in the CFL vs the NFL is what my point is. Yes, obviously he would have to have a long and successful career to attain that.

If he does he will starve. He'd be a great guy around a camp fire but there are a ton of guys with a guitar that are far better than him busking for a meal. Live music went the way of the dodo bird a long time ago unless you are willing to play for peanuts or are an original songwriter good enough to get a recording contract (which Woogie is neither). When CDs came around it killed the live music industry. Bands get paid about 2/3 of what they were making in 1988. The going rate is about 100 bucks a guy per night. 150 on weekends.

That could be said to some extent about any coach ever. No coach succeeds consistently without talent provided.

Gotta be $. Although, and I know this isn't a popular opinion, I think he is pretty over rated.

Elgersma (if his agents had half a brain) should come here ASAP, train hard, work hard, and be ready if there is an injury to Collaros. Should he have the ability to dominate our game he has the same earning potential as Rourke at much shorter odds than the NFL. He can parlay his career into something that grosses him 7-8 million before he hangs them up but he's gonna have to take lumps for at least the first year of that. I can confidently, and with 100% certainty tell you that 7-8 million in the CFL will far outweigh any potential career earnings in the NFL he is dreaming about. We keep talking about the low salary he will make this year, while forgetting that is inevitable and shaving a potential 750k a year (if he were a quality CDN starter) off his career earnings and if he isn't a quality CDN starter in our league, then waiting for the NFL has no point either. That is the case with most football players. Not many go out when they should. Most need to be told, and that's just the make up of a football player really.

It's not a shot. I am hoping he develops into something more, but he's not there now. We need to add some proven NAT receiver depth.

It was a very curious decision to put that in place given we were just starting to see a vast talent drain after the NFL's PR expansion.

I'm not against the guy, I just have not seen him offer much of anything when he is in the lineup. Would love to know what they see in him. Not saying there isn't something there it's just not obvious. Sure. But if we are going 3 NAT receivers then he should not be front line depth. It is essential that we have a guy who can produce if that is our plan. Just a body is not good enough. No different that Jake Thomas the past few years, if we had kept him down to 8-10 snaps a game no one would be complaining but he got thrust into a starting role and became a glaring weak spot for us. Are you comfortable with Corcoran coming off the bench to be a potential starter if any of our 3 starting NATs go down. I'm not.

Totally agree. I don't understand why the hell they even capped it. Cap year one if you must, then allow teams to renegotiate the contract if they so choose.

For some reason or other Kyle seems very high on Corcoran. Just wish I knew why.

I don't blame Elgersma one bit. The insane NAT draftee 3 year entry level deal is a joke.

With the NFL now grabbing and sitting on a ton of NAT OL due to expanded PR sizes and eligibility, we just don't have the luxury of an all NAT OL in this league anymore. We lose the top of our draft every year to them and it takes years, in many cases, for these guys to shake loose now. Double that up with the insane 3 year entry level pay rates for draftees and you get every NAT OL who even gets a whiff of the NFL, even though they are just signed to futures contracts which translates almost to guaranteed to get cut, going and playing long odds to sit on an NFL PR. The CFL needs to drop the salary provisions on the entry level deal. We are delaying getting our draftees here because they are willing to roll the dice rather than play for peanuts.

NAT OL, or any other starting NAT, is going to make more than most IMPs at the same or similar position. I liked Walters presser. I like how he confirmed that we will be seeing a lot of 30 front this year and that was one of the reasons he went hard after Ceresna. It seemed like this was the probability when we signed Ceresna and then JSK afterwards. I know a lot of us here don't care for 30 front, but if you got the right pieces it can be a very good defence against the passing game. Last year we just didn't have the horses. With Ceresna here, and more Lawson, we should be able to execute it at a much higher level. I think this would give Jaworski a big edge in camp for the other DE spot as well.

Elgersma will be here when he gets here. Not worried about that at all. He's got an agent blowing sunshine up his arse right now, so let's dial it back a bit about how he will never play here. Reality will set in, and he will come. We can go 3 NAT receivers but there is no requirement to do so if we go 3 IMP OL. We can make ratio in other places or even use the naturalized IMP rule.

UFL contracts mean nothing. They are optional by the player. According to 3DN he's waiting for the CFL phone to ring.

No way Paddy could play OT for anything more than an emergency now. He bulked up to play in the interior, then he bulked up some more when he discovered Tim Horton's lol.

If we wanna roll the dice, Mauldin is still out there. Looked like crap in Calgary, and either isn't getting much interest or is overvaluing himself, but if he is willing to take a prove it contract with little up front I would bring him to camp.

Walby played in a different era.