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TBURGESS is now the voice of reason here. I totally agree for once.

Well, yes and no. All our starters are getting a free ride because they aren't getting their ass kicked by coaches, Hoiwever, the coaches are in a bad place because our depth sucks and the best motivator is playing time and we have garbage sitting behind almost every position on the field and all the players know it and are not fearing losing their jobs. Anyone who has coached this game knows that players without competition are hard to keep on track. If this wasn't a GC hosting year about the best thing that could happen is we just put the guys out there that will go the extra mile despite talent level, but that would likely result in worse losses than what we have. Backups are backups for a reason and there isn't enough talent behind some of our gross underperformers for heart and will to make up the difference. If we had the quality of depth that we should have guys could have/should have been sat down and made to earn their starting positions back by refocusing and winning it back. RIght now we have many starters that are in by default.

Fair enough. I just think that bringing back your marquee receiver when medically cleared is kind of a really odd thing to criticize. Walters and our AGMs/scouts did a terrible job of evaluating FA talent for sure.

Walters did a terrible job this offseason and our depth is crap. You are out to lunch if you think anyone currently on our roster in a backup role or camp cut was a difference maker. It was a garbage year for recruitment and offseason signings and yea when that happens guys get pencilled in fast. Your shining examples above don't have anything notable behind them. Wilson is better than Woodby or Ayers, Tony Jones is better than J.Jones, Kolo sucks and so does Eli, Grousing about what we are starting without acknowledging there is crap behind them is a little misleading and it is absolute nonsense to think that any coach, MOS included, said we good don't sign any good players for camp competition. Just a historically bad take there. Every coach ever wants every position hotly contested in camp. Had we cut a bunch of talent you might have a point but we didn't.

He was our 2nd best receiver in that game. Osh works off the advice of his medical team. If he wasn't good to go our athletic therapist would have shut him down. It sucks he got reinjured but it is complete nonsense to put that on anyone. The HC works off of what the medical team is telling him, and what the player is telling him. I'm done with this argument because you guys are just like puritans looking for a witch to burn on this. There is lots of stuff to complain about with MOS and the rest of the coaching staff, but this entire forum is getting far out there with the scope and reach of the complaints. It's a brutal season this year for sure, but we are starting to really reach now.

You guys behave. Too funny...but yea...I never though about that so carry on.

Osh does have a history of doing that. However, in this case I think it was the right decision to play him and it turned out badly. How it goes sometimes in pro sports. A player like Schoen is a difference maker when he is in the lineup. If the AT says he's good, player says he's good, practice says he's good, then you play him and that's what we did. He put in a full practice the week before he played and they tested him on all routes to see. He must have looked good. His stat line in the game looked good as well and he made some nice plays prior to OT.

Seems fairly obvious that the last 2 seasons they are using Willie far less in the pass rush and taking advantage of his knock down ability and ability to almost become a 4th LB. Garbutt was a scrub and is doing nothing in Hamilton too. The guy has 4 sacks in his career. He was exactly the kind of guy we needed to let walk and upgrade. The problem most certainly isn't letting scrubs like Garbutt and Fox go. The problem is when we let scrubs go we aren't able to even upgrade over that.

I don't disagree that playing him was risky. However, he had a pretty decent stat line in that game and made some real clutch plays. Until the OT throw he was playing very well. Unfortunate he got hurt because it was one of his best games of the season and certainly miles better than anything Dillon Mitchell has done all year. He certainly didn't hamper, and only enhanced our ability to compete that game. As a general rule I don't like rolling out guys that are injured, but we certainly don't know how he looked in practice, and that would have been a huge factor in the decision. Hindsight is 20/20. If he wasn't good enough to go I have every faith that Couture would have shut him down. If he didn't look ready to go I don't think MOS would have played him and he certainly looked good that entire game. It is unfortunate he reinjured himself but that was the direction the player chose to take, and he looked ready to perform. He wasn't gimpy by any stretch of the imagination.

Partially torn is a torn ACL and is how it is commonly reported as simply a torn ACL. Did any of them say completely torn? Same thing. What was reported was that he had a torn ACL. Severity of the tear was not reported. What I do know is that you cannot rehab a torn ACL. It's impossible and Schoen was trying to rehab his after consulting with Couture about his options. Torn ACL has no options, it's surgery. So while I have nothing saying it was partially torn, you guys cannot point me to one single shred of evidence saying completely torn. Therefore, I will assume partially torn which you can rehab, and that our 23 year lead athletic therapist and one of the most respected athletic therapists in Canada knew his ****. You guys are literally accusing him of malpractice.

I completely agree with the bolded and was only responding to the notion that Couture be investigated for letting Schoen play. Until you want to give us something more tangible then a "horses mouth that cannot be named" I will choose to give Couture the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying you are lying, or even that you are wrong, because I don't know for sure I am not the Bomber's lead athletic therapist. He would know, Schoen would know, the Bombers coaching staff would know. Everything else is 3rd/4th hand information and is not reliable. When we are making accusations about a 23 year athletic therapists professional conduct we should back it up by more than a "horses mouth". These are serious allegations. Sometimes as fans we want to **** on our team so bad when they are shitting on us that we can put innocent people in the crosshairs by slandering or libeling them. I am more likely to believe that this is the case here. I don't for one second think that our athletic therapist would have put his license on the line by clearing Schoen to play with a completely torn ACL.

Yea...but it wasn't grey areas or verbiage where you were being corrected.

Prove it. I've had one and rehabbed by way through it. I have not heard a single shred of legitimate evidence stating it was fully torn. You posted up a tweet by Ed Tait saying his ACL was torn. Guess what? A partial tear is also referred to as a torn ACL. When I had my partial tear the doctor told me I was lucky it was not fully torn because that would require immediate surgery before the ends of the ligament shorten. So, the bullcrap you guys are trying to sell is that Alain Couture in his 23rd year with the Bombers and widely regarded as one of the best athletic therapists in his field, either misdiagnosed Schoen or committed medical malpractice by letting him play on a fully torn ACL. Contrary to the BS that you guys are selling Alain has final say on whether a player plays or not. Not MOS, not the player themselves decides that. Alain Couture is entering his 23rd season with the Winnipeg Football Club in 2025, overseeing the health and well-being of every player on the roster. Couture provides constant updates to the head coach on the health status of every player, and ultimately has the final say on whether they can return to the field after being injured.

Before you trash Noeller about what he can find on the internet you should remember it as well Booch. In the past, you have been corrected many times in regards to the SMS and how it applies. That being said, yea they could practice and should have.

You had a partially torn ACL and they replaced your knee? You should have gotten a 2nd opinion

I agree. Just wanted it narrowed down. Strev should have been pulled and shouldn't start another game for us. I am also very concerned about our players attitudes and lack of focus and the coach needs to bring some consequences for that.

What would you have him do in game out of curiousity?

Alden Darby for one, Marquis Bridges just this year. I'm not going to go through every depth chart ever but to say it's never happened is an exaggeration. Rarely happen? Sure. When you are winning 80% of the games you play coaches tend to like to stay with the same lineup. Give me a list of players around the league in the past 2 years that were replaced by teams with winning records mid season not due to injury. You won't find many because it is generally an act of desperation to do so. It rarely works out well. Unless a player is jumping off the page behind a vet they are unlikely to unseat that healthy vet unless that healthy vet has been struggling badly and even then 99% of coaches will still give that vet adequate time to turn it around. That's not something unique to MOS. That is the modus operandi of most coaches, and especially coaches who have poor depth behind their starters. Change for the sake of change almost never works out well.

Yep, it's rebuild time on a big level and might as well start the airlift now and at least get some looks at guys for next year. Although I think our management and coaching staffs may be done for after this fiasco anyway.

We suck and without a starting calibre QB it won't get better.

Not making plays is what got J. Jones his ticket out of Toronto. If you are rebuilding a team do you mess with the one position group that has played decent football? There is some kind of myth around here that we are not playing our best IMPs and that we are ignoring high calibre starters just sitting on our depth chart. That isn't the case. However, I can agree we need to try something to spark our team and shake things up, but putting lesser talent out at the one position group that is actually holding it's own is kind of backwards thinking. If we must mess with the roster let's do it at the position groupings we are sucking at which is quite extensive this year.

We know what J. Jones did in an entirely different D Scheme. However, saying he is better than T. Jones is not a given. T. Jones has been playing some good football for us, as has Kyrie Wilson. Our LBing is not our problem. Changes need to be made but I think we need to make the right changes. Change for the sake of change does not make us better it just makes us different. We need upgrades at receiver, OL, DL, and secondary although that is kind of due to injury. With Collaros out a new QB is in order as well. These are our problems. Agreed. Tony Jones has been one of our better players on D this year and where everyone got this idea that J. Jones is some kind of stud from is baffling? He is literally a guy that played himself out of a job in Toronto.

Can't remember which one, Darby I think. A move that was heavily criticized by some beating the drum for changes now too.

I can think of a few in that regard as well. Evan Holm, Redha Kramdi just off the top of my head got their jobs this way. Kyle Walters will be gone before O'Shea. If you are replacing vets in season for poor play, it is because you are losing. Other than this year, when has that been the case. When you are winning you make the hard choices in the offseason. That's football management 101. Unless a vet has been terrible and the next man up is clearly better you won't see this happening on winning teams. That has not been the case around here in all but a few times. We've had vets lose their jobs to injury though.

You guys think a HC should crap on his players publicly? Yea. 2019 Strev had a chance of developing into a starter. 2025 Strev does not.