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Agreed on all points. I like the changes MOS has made, and so far like the players we have re-upped with the obvious caveat of hating BO's salary. Like keeping him though. So far we extended a lot of our NAT talent and didn't let them walk which is a massive improvement over the past 3 years where KW let our NAT talent get decimated. Hopefully, he has learned. I really don't mind the coaching moves at all. I think Condell will help our passing game and help us in our recruitment at receiver. I think Jake being off the field is huge for us, and I honestly believe he can be a really good position coach.

In fairness to Logan he got what one game? Vaval looked like trash his first couple games too. Jefferson i would keep but with a shave in salary. Vaughters and Kola...yep...bye bye. I would be going after their replacements very hard in FA if I were KW. Sadly he will probably take that week off again. I have zero faith in Walters right now, and I hope I'm wrong.

I don't think anyone besides the CFL office knows. Last year teams weren't even informed until the eve of FA and even then it was not settled. Therefore, I have very little faith the league has informed anyone of anything yet because why would the team's need to know this? lol

Big contracts attract players but only the ones that make the big money which isn't that many. The rest are left playing for peanuts. For every 300k contract there are 4 guys who have make league minimum as opposed to 30 or 40k over minimum. That does not help us retain talent in our league. With our dollar being crap it's a tough sell to bring guys in as it is.

I won't put the blame on any QB asked to perform behind last year's OL and throwing to last year's receiving corps. Does he have MOP seasons left. I doubt it...but he can still get it done with the right personell. Walters has his own poor performance to worry about. A lot of grousing we do about MOS is the direct result of the roster he was given. It goes hand in hand. Only someone who is delusional would think we had a roster capable of being a contender last year. Zero chance,

I can think of one. Who else you got besides WJ? Maybe KW but he's not making all that much. Neufeld? Our best OL last year by the numbers. Stan? You wanna get rid of the GOAT? Other than that where we going with this? I'm not getting rid of PEYTON L:ogan until we know what the situation with Vaval is. The rest of the guys with the exception of Kola will not factor much into our success or not no matter whether they make the club or not. Every team has ham and eggers on it. It's unavoidable. If we want better than the list above it will be up to Walters to quit sitting on his thumbs and getting better players here.

I would rather pay the Philpott/Emilus contracts then the Brady contract. However, I do feel better about the BO contract knowing that the league either feels that the cap is going up, or they have all collectively lost their minds and it's an even playing field.

I doubt he goes UFL. He either gets a camp offer he likes or comes North. The UFL offers no QB any realistic chance at looking good enough.

Except that isn't what he said.

Agree on that as well. I don't care what other teams do and the mistakes they make. BC is a poor example. They went 200k over the SMS and lost 2 draft picks.

Yea...and somehow we are holding that against him and using it as a knock on him personally. I have heard a lot of chatter over the years that suggest that Jake was VERY good in the film room. Like a lot ...and I'm surprised you haven't. As long as Younger is our DC, the DL is not ever going to re-invent the wheel around here. I already did. Ryan Dinwiddie. Hell, Corey Mace even...he was about the same player as Jake Thomas talent wise. There are tons really. Any other sport? Pretty much every NHL coach almost.

You might be right, you might be wrong. None of us can know with any certainty right now as to how well JT can do. Anybody saying they know for sure he will fail or succeed is straight up showing bias. Hey, if the DL shows no improvement I'll call for his head. Bombers first....always. What I won't do is not give him a chance. Maybe he is exactly the coach we need and this turns out to be a great hire. Right now that is as feasible as him failing. Every coach who ever becomes a coach is because someone saw something in them and took a chance. Let's give him that chance too before declaring this a poor hire. He's off the field now....no reason to dislike him anymore.

Tell that to Patterson. You guys keep suggesting that OSH never moves on from anyone, until he does and then pretend it didn't happen. Hogan may have been a mental health cheerleader but it worked and quite frankly BO needs it. McManus is the best for sure. We can dream.

Player quality does not equate to coach quality. There is no correlation whatsoever. Quit trying to sell that as a reason to criticize this move. One has nothing to do with the other.

Sankey is not that great of a MLB. He is great against the run and sucks against the pass....even worse than T.Jones. Why would we replace T Jones with his more expensive doppelganger. We had experience in Patterson. He was the worst DL coach we've had maybe ever. You would prefer we kept him? Some guys are natural coaches some aren't. It's not necessarily experience that counts the most in that regard. Just because JT didn't display much tech doesn't mean he doesn't know it. His whole career was about effort, not tech, he wasn't physically built or skilled enough for it. Doesn't mean he can't teach it to those that are though. Like I said, many of his ex and current DL team mates have raved about what he brings to the table cerebrally. Maybe that can translate into being a good coach if he can articulate it. I'm not saying he is necessarily a great pick for the job, what I'm saying it that this is not a move we can criticize right now. Not without bias anyway.

Problem players? Why cause he aged out and he was asked to do too much at his age? I don't follow your logic here? JT executed the plan he was given to the best of his ability...how is that a problem player? As for Hogan having the best RB in the league, yes that certainly helps but he also helped develop BO into that. BO didn't enter the league as the best. You guys are literally hating on JT himself because the coach tapped him on the shoulder to go in and play and he did. I understand not liking him being on the field but you guys need to tone down the overall Jake hate. He's a 13 year retired veteran now who is taking an entry level coaching job for the only team he ever played for. Why are you inventing narrative about this?

Stegall always said his ego would never allow him to be a good coach. He is very self aware in that regard.

You are just hating for the sake of hating. None of what you are saying is anything but worst case scenaro. Tons of players have gone straight from playing into position coaches. You are suggesting he knew nothing of technique in 13 years of professional ball? Baloney. That's completely untrue. Whether or not he can teach what he know is 100% unknown. You cannot with any credibility say he will be a bad coach anymore than anyone can say he will be great at it. None of us can know that. The coaches have identified him as a potentially good coach, and this is something that has been suggested about him for many, many years by many of the players who have played with him, They have stated that JT knows the game and knows the position and was a leader out there. Why have such a hate on for JT? Did he sleep with your woman or something?

Might be the case with Manu as well if he stays South for an extended period. Mulumba tried to force us to trade him, we told him to retire. If Manu is a quitter like Mulumba he can do the same, if he wants to play it's with us OR we trade him on our terms.

Collaros came in trade, but yea that is a good point.

Buffet managers can make good coin and still get to eat for free...lol. Just saying in case Kola's reading.

Exactly, I really don't understand the level of hate for Jake Thomas with some around here. Was he good the last few years? Nope. but it's not like he didn't try or bleed blue and gold. We are literally suggesting that the club should have cut ties with him permanently because he was too old to play well anymore and that is absolutely nuts. Some guys have gone off the deep end on the Jake Thomas hate train around here. I don't know if he will be a good coach, but I can't see any reason why he might not be. We'll see. We need to at least give him a chance. Exactly. He stepped aside as a player and we still get the benefit of his experience and locker room worth. I can't believe people are viewing this so negatively.

I agree he played badly, but that is mostly because of his own physical limitations. From all accounts through the years he was a very smart player that had physical limits. I think he might be a very good coach. I think that BO's problem was the play calling of Hogan, not with the man himself. Pros can make the differentiation. Could be because Hogan was a very good RB coach for us before. Why not give Jake a chance? What do you know of his ability to do that? Nothing. Just assumptions. No consequences of mediocrity? Tell that to the guy Jake just replaced or the demoted Hogan. They are feeling the consequences.

You realize that Hogan was our RB coach before when BO had his best years right? I think these are great moves for our organization.

He can't be as bad as Patterson was and if it takes him off the field it's a double win. Are you seriously complaining about this? Jake is a long time veteran DL of our club and league, he has a ton he can teach. That doesn't necessarily mean he will be a good coach but excluding his chances of being one based on his playing career doesn't make sense either. Look at Ryan Dinwiddie, guy was a career backup and barely at that and is a great coach. I'm willing to give him a chance, and at the same time get rid of Patterson who was god awful.