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Cool beans...haven't had an excuse to go to PP lately.

Also don't forget about the dark Mike Kelly year.... ugh completely destroyed our team... That was many years ago now, Kelly might have done some damage to the team but... Mack had a chance to fix it and didn't. Kelly had 1 year, Mack had what? 3.. this is walters what? 2nd? And for as much heat as this may get, I think Mike Kelly was quite misunderstood, yup he told it like it was, fans and media didn't like that but... reality is, if he was given 3 years like Mack was, my guess, the team is better off now than it was under Mack canadian depth wise at least... Can talk about Mike Kelly messing up all you want but his main man was John Murphy who is now in Calgary with Huff, Murphy knows his stuff, the 'database' was legit, just never got more than a year to see what it could do. Sounds pretty reasonable. How did you get in here? You need to throw a wild ass accusation or pugnacious prognostication to be liked you know. Dr Seuss is that you? lol

He didn't just burn bridges with the fans. He did so at every level possible and then poured Napalm on them to make sure they were really torched.

He singlehandedly removed any credibility we had as a franchise. It was a clown show during his time here and the Bombers came off looking like a nightmare. People fail to understand that the damage he did was not just for one year. We are STILL trying to recover from that. When someone does so much damage to a franchises credibility amongst the fans, media, players, scouts, and agents it takes YEARS to build the trust again. Kelly is equally responsible for the failures we have had since his tenure than anyone. His damage did not stop the day we fired him. He screwed us over to the point of needing years just to rebuild from his errors. Worst Bomber employee of all time. After Kelly, players didn't want to be here and they didn't want to come here. Agents wouldn't even pick up the phone to talk to the Bombers about playing here. We were the least desirable destination in professional football. I guess you could call us football Hell. Mack and Buchko, may have been a lot of things, but at least they were professional and started us, as a franchise, back on the road to being a professionally run franchise. They got this team in about as bad a shape as one could inherit a team and with limited options on making it better since Kelly traded away all our draft picks for magic beans.

Also don't forget about the dark Mike Kelly year.... ugh completely destroyed our team... That was many years ago now, Kelly might have done some damage to the team but... Mack had a chance to fix it and didn't. Kelly had 1 year, Mack had what? 3.. this is walters what? 2nd? And for as much heat as this may get, I think Mike Kelly was quite misunderstood, yup he told it like it was, fans and media didn't like that but... reality is, if he was given 3 years like Mack was, my guess, the team is better off now than it was under Mack canadian depth wise at least... Can talk about Mike Kelly messing up all you want but his main man was John Murphy who is now in Calgary with Huff, Murphy knows his stuff, the 'database' was legit, just never got more than a year to see what it could do. Not sure how Mike Kelly would ever have got that done when he traded our draft picks away like they were Skittles on Halloween. Kelly was not misunderstood...he was terrible. Suggesting anything else is revisionist history. Take a look at the draft picks he traded away in his one year and tell me with a straight face that our NI talent would have been better with him.

An aging olineman, a mediocre lb, one legit ni talent and three draft picks? I'm sure nearly every year every team does the same. Migs, is that you?

I actually know Rotor in real life through mutual business acquaintances. He is not blowing smoke. I'm not at liberty to discuss his personal life but it is very safe to assume that he knows Tillman very well.

That's what i was thinking, eventually it looks like they will not require a National to play the corner. I think that is a position you want to transition away from a NI if you have the luxury of doing so. It's a tough position to find good NIs at.

That could be. 8 NI starters would allow us a great deal of ratio flex. I certainly wouldn't mind that prospect. I do not think that a 2nd NI receiver will be utilized on a full time basis though. I suspect we will see a lot of offensive packages featuring 4 import receivers.

Not necessarily. He may be taking Bucknor or JFGs spot as a starter. Further to that, he is not taking the spot of an American, he would be allowing us to put a veteran import elsewhere in the lineup. Hurl's job is not the one on the line. He won't play safety in the CFL. Unless your name is Mike O'Shea or Richie Hall you are completely unqualified to make that statement. My opinion is that he won't play safety in the CFL Fair enough. Why?

Not necessarily. He may be taking Bucknor or JFGs spot as a starter. Further to that, he is not taking the spot of an American, he would be allowing us to put a veteran import elsewhere in the lineup. Hurl's job is not the one on the line. He won't play safety in the CFL. Unless your name is Mike O'Shea or Richie Hall you are completely unqualified to make that statement.

I suggested this possibility a few weeks ago before the draft. It wasn't a popular opinion, but is one that makes even more sense to me now. A Waggoner/Newman safety spot makes more sense to me then them competing at WIL. I, also, think Leggett would make a great SAM. I agree that the Bomber should look at playing a NAT in the S position however I don't think Leggett would be a good SAM he is only 186 LBs, he might be a good DB or CB ? Leggett is physical for his size. If you can handle the physical demands of being a S, you can handle the physical demands of being a SAM.

Not necessarily. He may be taking Bucknor or JFGs spot as a starter. Further to that, he is not taking the spot of an American, he would be allowing us to put a veteran import elsewhere in the lineup. Hurl's job is not the one on the line.

I suggested this possibility a few weeks ago before the draft. It wasn't a popular opinion, but is one that makes even more sense to me now. A Waggoner/Newman safety spot makes more sense to me then them competing at WIL. I, also, think Leggett would make a great SAM.

For sure. At this point and time, trading Greaves...unless we get a starting OL in return...would be like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Walters has done some excellent work in securing the future of our OL. However, we do have the present to worry about as well. It would be irresponsible to throw Chungh to the wolves before demonstrating he is ready for them. Perhaps through the course of their evaluations of Chungh, they feel he has already demonstrated that. Can't see how he could have. He may have all the physical tools necessary but until you actually put him on the field against CFL calibre defensive fronts it is just a guess as to how well he will do. Not saying he can't do it. It would be fantastic if he was ready but it would be a mistake to assume that he is. The smart play is to keep Greaves until Chungh proves that he is capable. Maybe that's the first week of camp, maybe that's until next year....who knows. Trading him now would be a big gamble though. That being said, I hope Chungh clearly beats out Greaves in camp and makes him expendable or forces him to convert to RG.

I'd be shocked if Cotton was beat in camp.

For sure. At this point and time, trading Greaves...unless we get a starting OL in return...would be like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Walters has done some excellent work in securing the future of our OL. However, we do have the present to worry about as well. It would be irresponsible to throw Chungh to the wolves before demonstrating he is ready for them.

For sure he is a grade A stop gap. Whether that is for one season or two depends entirely on Goosen and the overall health of our OL. I think it is very safe to say that Picard was not brought in to be a long term solution.

Exactly. Given everything we have heard from Walters, since he began his employment with us, about the value of the OL and it's depth this would seem a huge departure. I don't believe it for that reason. The only way I could possibly see Walters looking to trade Greaves is if Greaves asked for a trade, told the Bombers that there is no way he will re-sign, or got caught stealing Booster Juice. I think this trade rumor is a media creation.

There is absolutely no way we trade Greaves. It would be monumentally stupid for Walters to do so. I don't think he is stupid, but I do think that Winnipeg Sun sportswriters trying to meet a deadline on a slow news day can be. This is pure fiction.

I'm not surprised at the Booker release. It is what I hoped for. We needed to upgrade our DEs.

Duane Slay was a victim of internal Bomber politics. The guy was a future DPOY. At least if you believed the hype that is......

Some players will go home, some will stay. If the Bombers were to draft solely on the basis of a players hometown we wouldn't have too many CFL capable NIs. It's a myth perpetuated by Rider fans that they all come home to play for them. For some odd reason a lot of people here seem to buy into it. They lose as many NI FAs as they get....that's a fact of life for most CFL teams that allow their players to enter FA. I can think of far more CFL NIs hailing from Saskatchewan that play elsewhere than there are Saskatchewan born NIs on the Riders.

I'm not sure why anyone would be overly concerned that he signed a two year deal. Was he supposed to play under his rookie contract for life?