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be fair, he also took Muamba over MItchell and I am sure we can find some other instances. Drafting, especially in the CFL is a crap shoot and everyone loves Kyle Walters but how would we feel about him if he took MItchell over Muamba? Which is something he likely would have done. I'll give you Muamba over Mitchell but that's one of the few. Mack did a poor job of drafting. I could add Carl Volny over Matt Walter in 2011, Johhny Aprile over Billy Peach, Chris Smith over Ryan Bomben. be fair, he also took Muamba over MItchell and I am sure we can find some other instances. Drafting, especially in the CFL is a crap shoot and everyone loves Kyle Walters but how would we feel about him if he took MItchell over Muamba? Which is something he likely would have done. I'll give you Muamba over Mitchell but that's one of the few. Mack did a poor job of drafting. I could add Carl Volny over Matt Walter in 2011, Johhny Aprile over Billy Peach, Chris Smith over Ryan Bomben. None of us should be so willing to let Walters off the hook when it comes to our drafting. He may not have had final say, but what was Pencer even doing on the radar at that draft position. Walters was our NI scout. A lot of the duds in our draft were names he put forward for consideration in the respective rounds. Unless, of course, you are of the belief that names like Penser and Etienne were Mack discoveries that had nothing to do with Walters. However, we do know that it was not Mack or Moll that were scouring the CIS for talent. They were in the States the vast majority of the time.

Really? Explain.

Do you mean Migs was incorrect when he said that Durant would be ready to go for the playoffs last year? Can't believe it, blasphemy! He was throwing in the dressing room! He was ready!!! Do you mean Migs was incorrect when he said that Durant would be ready to go for the playoffs last year? Can't believe it, blasphemy! He was throwing in the dressing room! He was ready!!! He was throwing darts....DARTS....40 yards downfield hitting receivers in stride. I wish the Bomber stadium came with glory holes that we could see what we want to see on game day. I'll admit that I don't know what glory holes are and I'll also admit that I don't want to think about what they could be. Last year a Rider fan came on here in September or October and told us all that he had personally witnessed Durant practicing and that he was lights out and would be ready for the playoffs. When challenged about the accuracy of these claims because the Riders do not hold open practices to the public, a backpedal of epic proportions began. He stated that there is a hole in the fence at Mosaic stadium that he was able to peer through to witness this. This assertion was so ridiculous, and creepy at the same time, that even posters at Riderfans began ridiculing the claim, referring to this hole in the fence as 'the glory hole".

Good read!

Do you mean Migs was incorrect when he said that Durant would be ready to go for the playoffs last year? Can't believe it, blasphemy! He was throwing in the dressing room! He was ready!!! Do you mean Migs was incorrect when he said that Durant would be ready to go for the playoffs last year? Can't believe it, blasphemy! He was throwing in the dressing room! He was ready!!! He was throwing darts....DARTS....40 yards downfield hitting receivers in stride. I wish the Bomber stadium came with glory holes that we could see what we want to see on game day.

Durant suffered the same injury that ended the careers of Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana. Others like Jake Delhomme were able to recover, however, despite all the Rider fans thinking it is a slam dunk that he will regain his form, I think the Riders management is not prepared at this point not to have a backup plan. One injury does not make a person injury prone....but one injury can still derail a career. There are reports that his elbow is still not fully recovered yet and he is only lightly throwing,

And people are responding by saying he's proven to be mediocre. That's all he's proven in his CFL career. So why not go with someone who has yet to prove what they can do, but have looked decent/exciting in their limited time? We all know what KG brings to the table. And it isn't good enough to get the team to where everyone wants to get to as a back up or starter, even while playing with teams that were arguably better than the current bombers. Brohm looked decent and even Marve played well against calgary late last year (cgy's effort suspect in that game). So why settle? when you need to move past mediocre. Mediocre (like has been said on this topic already) should no longer be an option to this franchise. Because some people are tired of rushing quarterbacks gambling that they can be good when in reality gambling and rushing qbs usually ends in disaster. I'm interpreting the use of the word 'rushing' as if a team didn't 'rush' a QB, then different story in how he pans pans out. I'm sure you'd agree though that sometimes, not always, but sometimes QB's not consistently playing to level needed to stick in this league (or being an Elite QB) has nothing to due with rushing them. It has to do with them not being good enough to play at a certain level (e.g., Max Hall comes to mind for not Sticking and Kevin Glenn comes to mind in not being an Elite CFL QB). I would like you to name me ONE backup QB that is elite. I don't think anyone here, in this entire thread has suggested that. When first or second year QBs are thrown into the position of having to be number one...that is generally a recipe for disaster. Not always, but more often than not. Just to be clear, all I'm suggesting with Kevin Glenn is when he was a starter wasn't good enough to be tagged with the Elite status. As for your statement about first or second year QB's being thrust into a starter role when not ready, yes, sometimes it would have turned out different for them if patience was shown. The big however is sometimes first or second year QB's simply are not good enough to stick regardless of how much patience was or wasn't shown. I'm just suggesting we can't generalize the impact of thrusting someone early in their career into a starters role as the main reason for their demise. Ok sure....however, no matter how you cut it, whether it's lack of skill or being sent out too early, I think we can agree that the career success rate of first or second year QBs being thrust into a starting role is not great.

And people are responding by saying he's proven to be mediocre. That's all he's proven in his CFL career. So why not go with someone who has yet to prove what they can do, but have looked decent/exciting in their limited time? We all know what KG brings to the table. And it isn't good enough to get the team to where everyone wants to get to as a back up or starter, even while playing with teams that were arguably better than the current bombers. Brohm looked decent and even Marve played well against calgary late last year (cgy's effort suspect in that game). So why settle? when you need to move past mediocre. Mediocre (like has been said on this topic already) should no longer be an option to this franchise. Because some people are tired of rushing quarterbacks gambling that they can be good when in reality gambling and rushing qbs usually ends in disaster. Unless you come across the next Ricky Ray, it is always a good idea to very tightly control a young QBs exposure to playing time. Very,very few QBs careers end up being long after being thrown into the fire early.

And people are responding by saying he's proven to be mediocre. That's all he's proven in his CFL career. So why not go with someone who has yet to prove what they can do, but have looked decent/exciting in their limited time? We all know what KG brings to the table. And it isn't good enough to get the team to where everyone wants to get to as a back up or starter, even while playing with teams that were arguably better than the current bombers. Brohm looked decent and even Marve played well against calgary late last year (cgy's effort suspect in that game). So why settle? when you need to move past mediocre. Mediocre (like has been said on this topic already) should no longer be an option to this franchise. Because some people are tired of rushing quarterbacks gambling that they can be good when in reality gambling and rushing qbs usually ends in disaster. I'm interpreting the use of the word 'rushing' as if a team didn't 'rush' a QB, then different story in how he pans pans out. I'm sure you'd agree though that sometimes, not always, but sometimes QB's not consistently playing to level needed to stick in this league (or being an Elite QB) has nothing to due with rushing them. It has to do with them not being good enough to play at a certain level (e.g., Max Hall comes to mind for not Sticking and Kevin Glenn comes to mind in not being an Elite CFL QB). I would like you to name me ONE backup QB that is elite. I don't think anyone here, in this entire thread has suggested that. When first or second year QBs are thrown into the position of having to be number one...that is generally a recipe for disaster. Not always, but more often than not.

Walters spoke quite highly of him on 1290. I imagine he would.

Agreed. Several media outlets have reported the Bombers are in the running for Curran. Too many to ignore as being mistaken or rumor mongering.

Yeah, Bauming said we weren't in the running for Bryant a scant 3 hours before we signed him.

You'd think that Bomber fans would be the last people this needs to be explained to.... No kidding. Joey Elliot, Alex Brink, Max Hall....that's just the last few years and I'm probably forgetting a couple. All very effective arguments against rushing a QB into playing time.

Nothing replaces game speed & having to be successful under pressure. Or having to make throws & completions before your head is torn off of you. You need to play to develop. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Some guys can develop while others can't. At some point and time you have to play a guy to see how he has developed. However, Mike is correct in saying that you can still develop a QB without playing him. It is nonsense to suggest that a player only learns by playing. Pure nonsense. Many QBs have been successfully developed for a couple of years before they start taking meaningful snaps. It is helpful to get young guys on the field to aid in their development if possible, and teams should make the effort to do so. However, there are many, many QBs who have found great success with only small exposure to playing time prior to it. There is also great danger to a QBs development by throwing him to the wolves before he is ready. A QBs confidence is EVERYTHING...shatter that and even the Peyton Manning's of the football world can't overcome it. QB is not a position you learn flying by the seat of your pants in game action you are not ready for.

Peters would also be a nice pickup. I like Curran better, but we can't control how stupid Marcel might get.

You could be right ISO, and if so, well I guess Curran's got a decision to make.

Money, opportunity to play, opportunity to win are ALL motivating factors for a FA to sign. If we sign Curran it won't ALL be about the money. Players love to jump on board a team's ship just as they appear to be on their way up and many bail when the team shows signs of decline. We are in a good situation where it would appear our team is ascending.

Desjardins went after a QB. In retrospect, he didn't screw us over...he did us a favor. I doubt his motivation was to screw anyone over.

Money does talk and is the biggest factor. However, situation and opportunity are also factors. If money is close between us and Ottawa, I think that secondary factors could come into play. Ottawa's only hope is the money. Ours is a combination of money, opportunity, and intangibles. Eskimos best hope is loyalty and intangibles. All in all, if the bidding is tight, I think we offer him the best overall package of the three remaining teams. Ottawa's only hope is if they make an offer he can't refuse. Edmonton's only chance is if Ottawa, and Winnipeg don't beat them in the bidding by much and they can convince him he will have an expanded role in the defence.

I would imagine that is why Walters has not made a comment regarding this.

I think the first half of the season he was fortunate to get starts against 3 OTs that had no business being on a CFL field. Hall did a great job of insuring he was matched up one on one against them in the pass rush by bringing lots of blitzes down the middle. Take a look at his sack totals from the first have and you will see that almost all of them came against OTs that were rookies or injury replacements. He had two BIG games where he victimized Ryan Cave. A guy that should never have been on the field. His second half disappearance was more a matter of teams both being more cognizant of his pass rush abilities, and him playing against a better calibre of OT, once teams had settled their Tackle position. I don't think he is as good as his pace to start the season indicated. That being said he is still a very dangerous DE. 200k+ dangerous? I wouldn't pay ANY import DE that much unless Wake decided to come back to the CFL.

Chick was already making a mind blowing 200k a year according to Drew Edwards. If he got a raise from that the Riders are insane. EDIT: Was according to Herb Z, not Edwards.

I don't really care where Brohm sits on the DC behind Willy. I just want more than Marve's wonky knee behind Willy. If that is Brohm/Marve or Glenn/Marve I am happy. I do not want to see a circumstance in which we have Marve/Portis for an extended period of time.

Seems like a pretty obvious answer to your rhetorical question...however, it is unlikely to be. Simple truth is that if it was a QB not named Kevin Glenn with the identical resume, people would be clamoring for us to sign him.

The bottom line is that Hall felt highly enough about him to hire him. He was under no obligation to do so. If Miles was a crap coach that disliked some of his players and needed his hand held, Hall would be the guy to know about this and wouldn't have hired him. Just ridiculous rumor mongering and finger pointing by some classless Rider fans. They must be taking throwing people under the bus lessons for the master himself....Brendan Taman.