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Agreed

In all honesty through the first half he didn't really have many passing attempts and in the 2nd half they were working the underneath stuff. Defence still giving up big plays, otherwise we held them to pretty much bupkus.

Osh isn't getting fired. Walters just might though. Any receiver with an ounce of self confidence wouldn't give a fig about our roster usage. This team represents any receivers best chance at starting.

Lawler was a MASSIVE loss. It cannot be stated enough. Our offence looks completely different if he is here right now because he draws doubles all game or teams try match him up and he burns them. He is literally a game changer. Hollins was available a few weeks ago. This offseason there were a ton of good receivers available We either didn`t try for them or whiffed on them all....including our own Kenny Lawler. Our current receiving corps is just some really bad GMing, Gross incompetence almost.

Exactly right. People are criticizing MOS for doing what every football coach in the history of football does week in and week out. In order to replace veterans you have to have the players that will perform better than the veteran. Change for the sake of change is stupid.

That's a pretty broad statement. Let's hear some facts to back it up. Compare roster usage around the league and you will quickly see how wrong you are. The only difference between OSH and the rest is his refusal to use the naturalized IMP. That is a big flaw for sure, Your assessment of Ayers is out to lunch. He was excellent in camp last year and was not kept solely for STs. We don`t dress extra DEs because they are ALL rostered already with the exception of Munier-Bailey. Some guys can transition to pros in a heart beat, some take longer. Not sure why any of us try to create artificial hard timelines on player development. Every player is different. Like it or not, the coaching staff knows a 1000x better than any fan whether or not a guy is ready for the friday night lights. There is more to it than just physical. You have to learn how to be a pro mentally as well. If that were true Biggie would be a Bomber, not a Stamp.

Bighill was in tandem before he was injured. Check your facts. I don't mind when someone has a fact based gripe, but you are ignoring the fact that we had already taken 40% of his snaps away prior to injury. How does that equate to him for sure being our starter if he isn't injured. The facts say otherwise. Sorry to burst your bubble but all teams use their roster exactly like we do, Why? Because in the CFL there are going to be guys on every roster that are just there for the teams because we have a small roster size and a NAT and Global minimum to uphold. You are acting like we have the luxury of doing both and we don't. no team does.

MIKE was already seeing Tony Jones taking about 40% of the d snaps from Bighill and the fact we brought in Tony Jones speaks to the plan to turn that position over. That was pretty good future planning really. Anyone else in the LBer crew? Some could argue KW needs replacement but we do have both Jones and Ayers in waiting there so again, future planning in place. DL, you have a point on Jeffcoat not being adequately replaced or the interior of the DL, but that falls on the GM really who has brought in pretty lousy talent through recruitment and free agency. Offensive line who exactly are you talking about? Bryant? Neufeld? because those two guys are still playing at a pretty high level. Yoshi is gone but Lofton is an adequate replacement. Bryant has Vanterpool behind him. Where exactly is the lack of planning for replacement. Unless you are just saying we need to get rid of all veterans over 30 because they are over 30 regardless of whether they still got game and that younger means better no matter what. Is that what you are getting at?

Yes and look at how he has produced....oh wait....14.5 yds per game says we had a reason for leaving him off. Mitchell is just another really bad offseason signing by Walters...but at least he was one that made it through camp. Got any, you know, names? Because I'm not seeing any young NAT DTs being left off the roster. I'd love for JT, Shmek, and Korny to be replaced by young NAT DT studs. Give Walters a call, the cupboards are bare. It was either him or Zack Davis from the Rifles as NAT DT insurance. Can't blame the coaches for their choice of Korny....can absolutely blame Walters for putting the coaches in a no win situation though. I know you are critical of Walters as well, just pointing out that a lot of what we are seeing stems from a very poor past 2 offseasons by our GM. In a Grey Cup hosting year, his best signing was Sterns. Let that sink in.

You do realize that you don't necessarily draft guys for immediate insertion into the lineup right? Sure they could take the 5 or so snaps that Gauthier has had this year, but is this really the kind of development you are talking about? What if these rookies cost us games? Is that a smart development strategy? This isn't hockey where you have 82 games a year with many of them meaningless to get guys some time. We are not in a position in the standings to be developing rookies in game. Any rookie that is going to get regular playing time will have to do so by being better than the person they are replacing or through necessity. It's kind of silly to be pining for rookie playing time when we are currently playing for our playoff lives. The goal right now is to win, not develop players for next year. Won't cost us games? We just won/lost our last 2 games by FGs. A rookie making a rookie mistake can definitely cost us a game. Would I like to see our young guys get some time when a game is out of reach? yep. We are likely playing tightly contested games for the majority of this season though. What roles have we been poor at turning over? Who are the guys we wasted development time on? Name them.

Develop who? I am not denying that Kornelson was a dud. Sure was.

No. It is not a disconnect, Shay/Smith are both capable of playing the WIL LBer spot in the future. Smith could even potentially be a S. What JBR is getting at is that there just aren't a ton of reps available that would be particularly suitable for rookies because our only consistent true LBer on the field is at MIKE and you don't throw rookies into the fray there until they are good and ready. WIL already is a very diminished role in our D, and you use your starter when it is only 40-50% of all defensive reps. I know that everyone here is looking for reasons to dump on MOS, but we need to do better than grasp at straws. We are a 5-4 team, there's a lot to dislike right now and we are grousing over rookie play time, and the 51-53 spots of the roster. Why? Because it makes minor decisions seem a lot more major than what they are. If we want to talk coaching we have problems for sure, a lot of it is our coordinators.

Sure, therefore every NAT to IMP swap should be an upgrade then? C'mon...that's cherry picking. It doesn't have to be a downgrade, but it more than likely is. Let's be real. Because 12 plays can win any team a game. That's a fair assessment. Because we feel a certain way about the coaches most certainly does not mean the players feel the same as well. We are fans, we literally are talking out our asses. Unless, of course, Gauthier and Cadwallader are better options at this point.

Honestly we spend so much time dissecting whether our 3rd stringers should be on the roster and how much of an impact they would create. For the most part almost none. Here we are with big time holes at 1st string at many positions and we aren't talking about it but Cobb over Ball....that's the winning formula? All so that coaching can be blamed for our weak season thus far....smh. Where are our quality IMP receivers, DL, and LBers. Right now we are probably the weakest in the league for starters at 2 out of 3 of those groups and at best maybe 6th or 7th in starting LBer strength but that gives MOS too much of an out for most here. Instead of it being partly coaching and mostly talent, the narrative around here is that it's all on coaching and development failure and that is simply not true.

It isn't all about physicality or speed as to how a team develops a player. The mental aspect of the game is big. The comfort level, the confidence level. Like I said I am not against anyone getting reps in garbage time but to throw a guy into the fire as a first year pro is not a great idea unless they have demonstrated they are someone you just can't keep out of the lineup. We don't even do that, nor does any CFL team, for the vast majority of IMP guys who are far more polished and game ready. Are their rookies who break through, of course, but the number league wide is small compared to how many end up tossed away.

Cobb is a scrub. An argument could be made to roster him but really whether we dress him or not is a nothing burger. Sometimes you gotta look down the road a couple weeks too and see that he is more than likely going to be released soon.

Are we leaving quality receivers off the game day roster? There is your answer. That being said things will be looking up once Schoen is ready and Wilson inevitably returns.

Kola needed to be addressed in the offseason. It is abundantly clear that the coaches have no faith in Eli at C.

Look, I'm all in favor of a few reps here and there. However, not until the coaches feel comfortable with it. We have 3 years of these players being locked in, there is absolutely no reason to rush things. NAT draft picks are the one type of player that we can ripen on the vine. Yea...we could insert them into blow outs, but honestly those are practice reps as well.

Do we want to win, or rush our draft picks into duty they may not be ready for? I have no issue letting first year draft picks develop slowly, it is usually of great benefit to both the team and the player. I am not understanding what short coming people are seeing that would require us to play Shay/Smith right now? If the argument is for a ratio shift along the DL, then are we willing to downgrade LBer play to get this done? Look I want every draft pick to be a starter sooner rather than later as well, but I see no benefit in forcing the situation when we are not necessitated to do so. More players are ruined than actually excel when put in that situation. There is a lot to dislike about our current roster but tossing players in just to see what happens is incredibly short sighted and probably leads to losses if we do it on any kind of scale. What's the concensus around here? That we should give up on this season and start going towards next year?

Well there you have it, bigg jay for the win. Can't argue facts.

A good snapper and pre-snap OL communicator is worth the saw off. Totally. Anyone thinking otherwise has never been responsible for OL play. I guess in short I agree with your assessment that unless the difference would be vast post snap, take the guy that can actually snap the ball, and make the correct pre-snap read. Who are these good young players we have been letting go? Definitely you are correct about the OL....we have seen an exodus....but who are these stud young guys you speak of that we kept a veteran over. I'll wait for your answer. Name the stud young player that is now somewhere else, and the veteran that should be cut that we kept instead. Wanna make broad statements like that, back it up. As for the OL, we didn't really keep veterans in place of young guys, it was vice versa. Did we move on from Brendan O'Leary Orange to keep Clercius/Woli/Demski....we sure did....which one of those guys should have been cut? That is quite literally the only drafted player I can think of that we let walk that I would want back if we could but apparently you have a list so let's hear it. Would I want Desjarlais, Dobson, or Couture back? yea that would be nice. Two of those guys we lost due to very poor GM work and one to wanting to go home. That will always be a reality in the CFL with NAT players. Not a single one of those guys was moved on from in order to keep an aging vet that should be cut tho so you obviously have others to bring up.

Or he causes mass confusion because he can't direct traffic on the line and ends up getting our QBs injured. People judge centre by what they are seeing after the snap when a lions share of their importance is what they do pre-snap and with the snap itself. As for Kola, his issues are not in the run game at all. It's his weakness in pass pro that's the problem. Thing is that is also the weakness that Eli has demonstrated.

My bad....didn't think anyone else would pick him up after his 2nd release. Point remains tho, he was a dud of a draft pick by any measurable. No call from upstairs? Happens all the time is what I heard. I would not be against a ratio flip for an IMP C. Bryant and Neufeld are not the problem with our OL at all.

Can't be sure, but other teams have leap frogged us in terms of NAT talent for sure. We've seen guys drafted behind our guys turn into bonafide CFL talent while we have first rounders like Anthony Bennett out of football.