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MOS has seen his resume and approved of it. Can't say for sure he has military service under his belt but if he does he stands a better chance of making the team.

Fair enough. I will set up my context more carefully next time to designate that it is the majority of fans on their forums and online groups.

This is true. It is all hyperbole at this point. There was an online petition with thousands of signatures for the CFL to overturn Marino's suspension, the call in shows were flooded with comments about it, their forum was heavily supporting Marino with just the odd dissenter. Not much different than a political poll, it's not possible to speak to every Rider fan but based on what is out there in terms of reaction from across various online sources in the sample size my statement holds pretty accurate.

Fine. I don't see any hyperbole in that post at all...but you're the boss. I feel there is nothing untrue or exaggerated in that post whatsoever. Can you at least point me in the direction of what your objection to it is?

Yes exactly right. An organization can only do so much to control the behavior of their players, however, how they respond and react to that situation is 100% in their control. The Riders have been god awful in those situations and it may hurt some sensibilities around here, but the vast majority of their fan base was totally on board the whole time.

It was more than just a few chowderheads. There were online petitions with thousands of signatures to overturn the suspension. Their own radio pxp guy was calling it a conspiracy against the Riders. Don't give me this crap that Rider fans kept a level head through this. There is nothing petty or dumb about reminding them of the stance that a vast majority of their fan base took on Marino, and even refusing to discuss the fact that Marshall is a gang member.

I guess it all depends on where you wanna draw the line. A great deal of the players in this league have somewhat of a checkered past and have made errors in judgement like drinking and driving. However, our team handled these situations like consummate pros by immediately suspending said player. Riders? Not so much. Tried to hide it, played their player despite the story breaking and then after relentless media pressure suspended him for a mean nothing game. That is the difference I am trying to show in my comments. All teams have players making mistakes. Teams like the Bombers address it appropriately, teams like the RIders or Chris Jones led teams sweep it under the carpet and defend their player with a "nothing to see here" attitude. Not in any way, and any player stepping out of line and good character on our team is immediately and appropriately dealt with by our team before the CFL even has to intervene.

Nor did I. I made a comment that lambasted his team, you know the Riders...the ones guilty of doing this. After that he acted like a chucklefuck and then I let him, and chowder heads like him, know what I thought of them. For the sake of clarity, I do not think that ALL Rider fans are like that. I agree.

Yea...it's sleazy,100% inappropriate and clearly workplace harassment.. but I'm not sure it was criminal.

Qft...took him how many attempts to injure before he finally forced the Riders to release Marino.

Exactly. Things were of such low moral standard over there that they felt the need to publicly create a code of conduct due to fan outrage, which they immediately refused to enforce in subsequent years. But hey bring it up and a Riderfan will pull his head out of the sand just long enough to call you an idiot before immediately sticking his head back in. Oblivious thy name is Rider fans.

Coaching is different, but same GM that gleefully signed Nick Marshall to contract after contract despite tweeting pics in gang colors holding a hand gun. One could make a pretty coherent argument that is worse than Kelly's behavior.

Yep Marino..Marshall..the list goes on and on.

And do regularly employ players of poor character. That's not my fault. Misdirected anger methinks. Nick Marshall the crip for crissakes.

Take a look at the malcontents and head cases your team has regularly employed over the past several years. It's not idiotic to hold your team to account for it. You Rider fans should do the same. Don't give me the holier than thou bullshit from a fan base that felt Marino was a martyr. Sorry if anyone is a bunch of clowns and idiots, it is an organization that stood behind that player and a fan base who felt he was unfairly persecuted. Not even going to get into Nick Marshall's status as a gun toting member of a violent gang, that was public knowledge for years. I will wear your disdain like a badge of honor, knowing the truth hurt your feelers.

As we told Bluto last year, it was only a matter of time before Kelly's penchant for erratic behavior would rear it's ugly head again. I'm frankly surprised it took this long. He belongs with Chris Jones, or the Riders, and that is not a ringing endorsement of his character.

Toss Kelly out of the league. He can go play with G.Marino. This isn't unlawful dismissal unfortunately but the victim had every right to be protected from a predator, and if the Argos and the CFL have any moral compass they will dismiss Kelly.

Yea...he showed some promise tho

Simmons on a min contract might be worth a camp look. Would have to due our due diligence on his mental health tho.

Which one? Or do you mean all of the above?

Could be they are not ultra confident that they would land him if he does come back. They threw gaudy (650k per) at him to stay last offseason and he walked away without giving it much thought. If he really loved the Lions org he might have mulled that over for a bit. Toronto would be my bet.

Yea...the return on any players Promo money would be very high. Nothing sells tickets like winning. If you can exceed the SMS by half a million dollars through the use of promo money you can increase your win totals and thusly ticket sales. That is in effect the same and only reason a business runs promo...to sell more. Therefore, I suggest we pay all our players promo money for a lower cap hit, put a dynasty out there, and reap the rewards of outstanding attendance that comes from winning.

I guess if you want to call a 200k signing bonus team friendly. Good total number but if VA goes down during the season the cap relief isn't great.

No doubt about that. Those lean years hit the community owned teams hard. One needs to remember though that the late 90s were an epic disaster for us. Ritchie and Taman at least put a respectable product on the field. Not championship calibre but there were some good years there.

I don't think we would have folded, and I doubt we would still be a bottom feeder but the whole CFL was in financial peril throughout most of the 90's and early 2000's for sure. Taman did not have any kind of budget or scouting department to speak of. When the league stabilized and brought in the SMS it killed his career really because he didn't have a hot clue how to do the job properly but was better than most during a time everyone was winging it.