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Nor should be take a cut. Or anyone else for that matter.

One injury can cause that ripple effect at any point, even with depth dressed. You can't possibly cover off for every possible in game injury. Of course, moving people around can cause problems, No doubt about it. However, on two of the busts the person who busted coverage was in their proper spot. Only the Bighill/Alexander bust was roster related...MAYBE. I get it just fine. I just don't agree with you. There is a difference. I absolutely concede, and have all year, that roster management in some areas needs improvement. What you will never get me to concede, because I know it not to be true, is that roster management cost us any game this year. I cannot think of a single game where roster management was a deciding factor. Not one. We had a 10 point half time lead in the Grey Cup, and it went in the shitter when we tried to protect that lead instead of playing to win. We lost that game on lousy play calling, and mental errors by players. If you want to attribute 5% of the blame to roster managment....OK...that would be about right.

Not hanging off his nutsac. That's just gaslighting. Because someone disagrees with your damage assessment does not mean they are hanging off Osh's nutsac. You think his roster management cost us the Grey Cup, I disagree. I do not believe that Haba, Fox, and Rose on the roster gets us over the hump in that game. There were numerous opportunities for our team that we fielded to win that game easily and our mistakes cost us, not roster management...and no I do not for one second believe the mistakes I am referring to were because of roster management. Mental errors mostly. Blown coverages is not a function of roster management, red zone turnovers are not a function of roster management, wonky playcalling is not roster management. You can scream until you are blue in the face about roster management, that HAS been the axe you are grinding all year, but the Grey Cup was not lost because of it as much as you and Mike would like to have your AHA moment. I think you can dress the receivers we did, but Buck needs a better gameplan and you gotta sprinkle in some of the backups. None of that happened. Bighill did not have the game of his life, but he wasn't a liability either.

Sure...and the criticism in and of itself is warranted. It's some of the hyperbole that is going with it that I have an issue with. Some guys are going over the top even suggesting we move on from MOS. Like WTF? And none of them would do it as well as MOS. Not saying we would fall apart, but losing him would be a big blow to our franchise.

Totally agree that Biggie, Schoen, and Bailey should not have been playing in hindsight. I just don't think it was an egregious decision. Just one that didn't go our way. Who is playing on the 46 is not roster management. Roster management is who is on/off the roster. Once you are on the 46 whether you play or not is not a roster issue anymore, or at least not in the definition we have been hearing all year long here. The criticism was that we dressed injured guys with no one to back them up. Untrue. When Biggie sat on the turf stretching out his calf in the first Q, he should have been sat for the rest of the game and Clements take over. When the offence dried up in the 3rd Q, we should have done more mixing in with McCrae, BOLO, and Grant on offence. Again not roster issues, those guys were there ready to play.

Exactly right....and every single guy in that locker room and organization knows who he is and what he does and that is why he gets buy in at a rate no other CFL team's coaches can match. I will take a coach whose players will run through brick walls for him over a technically proficient one any day of the week and twice on Sunday. MOS plays by his gut, and sometimes he is wrong, but there can be no questioning that the mistakes he makes do not outweigh the total package of his coaching and I guess that's my biggest issue with the year long MOS witch hunt some posters have been having this past year. We can talk about his roster decisions in the Grey Cup, but I am convinced we aren't even in that game without MOS as our coach.

Of course we had depth alternatives for each of them. That's just a flat out falsehood. We just chose not to go with that depth and dress 3 of our top players because our coach and these players felt they could play through that. Wrong decision in hindsight...definitely. Wrong decision to keep them in the game when we could have pulled them out. Definitely. But that's not a roster management issue, that's a starting lineup issue. We had our best possible replacements available and on the roster to replace them.

I understand it perfectly fine. I, also, understand that our passing game constitutes 60-70% of our play calls in any given game. IDK how you manage to not understand that. Not a joke at all. I just have no axe to grind.

Man some of this discussion ìs great football convo and some of it is a bit of a reach. We got guys saying Zac is declining and needs replacing while others are saying our secondary is overrated because our offence led by Zac was so dominant they never saw the field. Just extreme takes everywhere that contradict. I guess some are still really smarting from the loss.

He never said none of the 30+ guys needed to be replaced unless I listened to an edited version. I very clearly heard him indicate that they would evaluate the roster and go from there. He was asked if he would try talk any guys out of retiring and he stated he might...but that doesn't mean every guy 30+. He may just have been referring to Neuf or Stan.

It's an issue. Whether it is a major one is very highly debateable. Could we have? Explain what makes you think any one of them would have made a lick of a difference. I saw no tiredness in the Jeffs or Walker did you? Rose was out because of poor play himself. However, his play calling presence may have helped the coverage busts so I'll give you that....but we don't know...maybe he gets torched all game. Desperately needed? Hyperbole imo.

I would think the writing on the wall is there for Winston Rose and Alden Darby as well. Unless he had some kind of injury we were not privy too. Minor stuff still though. We've been hearing this rant for months now like it's a deal breaker on MOS or something, and it is quite honestly about the least significant coaching criticism there could be. A coach that tends to slightly over play his best players. I shudder to think. Look guys are kept on the roster for a myriad of reasons both football and locker room related. Not every one of us has access to all the information. Guys are slacking or coaches want to send a message on work ethic to some guys, they get left off the roster for instance. We, the fans, don't know that and criticize when that is totally warranted. It's beating a dead horse at this point already. Yes, MOS makes some curious choices sometimes. It's his quirk. We best all get over it.

Yep.,..that is where Danny Mac was gonna be no matter what tho. All to the end of 2025 sounds about right. We want that home GC very badly.

I doubt he even gets that. Harris kind of set the bar during his success at 165k and the cap hasn't really moved much since then....and definitely Wade opened up the toolbox and cash to help make this the best organization in the CFL. It was his vision for sure in so far as player treatment. just responding to the idea that someone is going to make a blindside 250k offer to BO that drives our price way up. Nope, it won't. Bombers will shake hands with BO and wish him luck and whatever team makes said ridiculous offer will be holding the bag on that one....and in a year from now when he wants to come back we will get him at a proper price. It would be a Kenny Lawler situation all over again and I think every team in the CFL knows that.

It was time to move on from Darvin so we did. Just as there are some guys this year that will be facing the same outlook. Taylor, Mike Jones etc all valuable contributors to our cup wins. We moved on. I see no reason to believe that our management team will suddenly not do the same this year. Forgot Andrew Harris as well. The consummate Bomber really, but he lost a step and some reliability and bye bye.

I'm not sure if he's ready or not, but I believe he believes he is ready and it seems he may have convinced the Riders of it. The good news about re-signing our entire managment staff is that it likely leaves us short on dollars for a PLOP return if Buck goes.

If you were a Western team you would have yourself a 250k running back then. Good luck with that. You think that the Riders offering something ridiculous moves us off our SMS? Ask Kenny Lawler if it will.

Why limit it to training camp? In the past 3 years just off the top of my head we have replaced in-season, Tyquan Glass, Des Lawrence, Winston Rose, Alden Darby. In the offseason we moved on from Charles Nelson, Mike Jones, Darvin Adams, Nick Taylor. Michael Couture. But let me ask you. Who did we keep too long in this time frame? Bryant, Biggie, Neuf, Hardrick, Jefferson, Jeffcoat? Nah. They were all good this last year. Jake Thomas is the only one in the past several years that I think an argument could be made that O'Shea may have held onto too long. Surely, you have many more names than that? You must based on your argument that O'Shea is way too loyal to aging vets. Tell me who warranted getting cut and replaced?

He did not say there were none. Not in any way, shape, or form. He flat out said there would be changes because changes are inevitable year to year. I don't mind you guys criticizing MOS, but you are putting words in his mouth that are completely contrary to what he said. He was flat out asked if he thought some guys would be back or not, and he stated that some will retire, some will be back, some will be SMS casualties and that they would be looking at the roster carefully.

What leads you to believe he won't? He has done so pretty much every year he has been here. How many rookies does he have to roster for you guys to believe he is turning over the roster fast enough? Since 2021 beginning we have turned over 30 spots on the team, that's an average of 10 roster spots a year. Not enough? Change for the sake of change is stupid. Guys need to step up and take spots.

I got 23. I must be missing a couple. However, that's 40% of our total players remaining and I can guarantee that number shrinks by at least 5 or 6 again this offseason. We will have turnover where it is needed, not where some fans are going to think it should be, but where the club identifies.

Yup...we can only hope. So far so good. We will evolve and have evolved every year under MOS. This year won't be any different. Look back to the 2019 Cup and count the number of players still on the team. 23 players active and reserve out of 56. That's a 60% of the roster turnover in the best of times our club has seen. It is absolute nonsense that people suggest we have no roster turnover under MOS.

For sure. Our entire organization is first class and a helluva lot better than our neighbor's to the West....and we know the dressing room is light years ahead of their's. If he gets a 3 year contract I think a weak GM would be a great thing for any coach coming in. Hear me out. With the coaching hard cap in place, and O'Day having a team out written into his contract that allows them to tear up his term, it means either O'Day performs well and Buck is given the tools to succeed, or he stay the course and O'Day is the guy in the crosshairs not the new coach. The very worst that can happen in this scenario is that O'Day gets fired and the new guy decides to eat his salary on the coaching cap. Buck gets another 2 years of HC money to come home to Winnipeg in whatever capacity. However, the likelihood is that the coaches are all safe, and Buck gets a big say in O'Day's replacement or perhaps even offered the job himself. There really is no risk in walking into that kind of situation for Buck because the likelihood of him getting fired for performance is very low, as next year's team performance will be squarely on O'Day unless Buck is an absolute tire fire.

He could give coordinator money, but a rookie HC running his own offence will almost certainly end in disaster. Hopefully, Buck is not that foolish for his sake. He could, but that just as risky for BO as it is for the Bombers when you play that game. BO wants to be a Bomber a heckuva lot more than he would want to follow Pierce to Sask. I think the attraction to follow coaches is overstated. Players that love their locker room tend to stay no matter who their coordinators are or where they might go. Double that up with BO being a Winnipeg boy thru and thru...

The pay bump that might move Buck is not really comparable to what Costello might get.