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Our effort, focus, and preparation have certainly regressed and shove that Kool aid slurper comment up your pie hole. Uncalled for.

And the holding..oy vey

We need turnovers

Yep..we were the only team that told him to shed 40 lbs before training camp. He did it and the rest is history. The Riders, in particular, must be stinging from that. A couple years ago some knucklehead Rider fan was beaking off about Winnipeg being too stupid to keep Labatte and the Riders being so smart for getting him. My response was "Yoshi and Neufeld". He didn't understand my rebuttal...clueless.

Yea...Bryant helped but he was just one piece of the puzzle.

Attendance picks up in the fall here, and unless it is really freaking bad weather the stands will be near capacity. Sell out? Yea doubtful for Edmonton. 30k probable tho.

Ok...sorry...didn't notice the lol. My bad. Yea...only takes a single play or 4. Just ask Aaron Rodgers. I think they mentioned during the game that Jeffcoat was nursing a sore hip as well. Absolutely Haba did a great job when he has been in this season. I will be watching his run gaps closely this week. Not because I think he is doing anything wrong there or anything, just to see if maybe that is a reason we have been sitting him?

Not sure why, but over the past 4 seasons he adds DL to the rotation later in the season EVERY single year. Not sure why no one noticed this before? Must have been all the Grey Cups.

Completely agree. After a rough start our defence has been excellent too. I am not seeing it either. I see a team that has had more mental lapses than past years, but that's not a talent issue. Guys are taking a single issue, that has existed through our entire Grey Cup runs, and for some reason have decided this year is different. This year it's important and our team is not as good. I call BS on that. I don't like Osh's roster management any more than the next guy but he has proven he can win Grey Cups despite this short coming that has been happening for years, and he always somehow comes around to fixing late in the season. Puhlease....stop it with that crap. Jeffcoat and our defence barely saw the field last game. If you are trying to blame an injury in the DL trenches last week on roster management you are taking it too far. Our guys barely broke a sweat.

I do. We are just not as consistent. There is a difference. I say this year's team is the most capable of winning any given Sunday. Now they need to get into the right head space to consistently make it happen. That's not head in the sand, or denial of any sort. When we are on our game, this team is damn near unbeatable. Yes, we are wasting a roster spot on Jackson. No one has said otherwise. The fact is we are still able to finish 15-3 with both higher point output, and lower points against than last year. Did we lose a couple that we shouldn't have...yup...did we do that last year? yup. I'm sorry but all season you guys have been harping on roster management and we all get it but suggesting this team somehow isn't as good and is regressing is nonsense. We are every bit as good as last year talent wise. Last year we brought it every game, this year we have had some poor weeks of prep and mental let down. This week last year we got smoked by Hamilton....absolutely taken behind the woodshed and beaten like a rented mule. Teams, even great ones, have those kind of games sometimes. I want us to be perfect as much as anyone, but realistically it's not going to happen. I see a veteran laden club who has showed up to every big game this year in a BIG way. 50 and 40 burgers numerous times this season.

Let's hope so. I don't want him to go out there and lay an egg and prove the coaches were right to keep him on PR that's for sure. I looked over our last 4 years of depth charts and saw a pretty interesting pattern. In all the past 4 seasons Osh would play lean at the DL until the last month and then started adding DL to the roster as the playoffs approached. Quite possible we see this again.

You are saying we will not finish 15-3? Who are you giving a win to against us? I keep hearing about regression but that has NOT been proven yet. I like our chances of winning out. You don't? I don't understand why it seems like you are hoping we lose?

You can switch a guy from 1 game to 6 game...always could. What you cannot do is count games that the player served on the 1 game IR as part of his 6 game stint. Never could, never will be able to do so. Not after 1 game or 2 games. Not sure where you got the info that you could? Has never happened before, there is no precedent for it. That is the whole reason they have two injury lists for cripes sakes. You can discount the rule book and the CBA if you wish, but find me one player that was switched from 1 game IR to 6 game IR and had those games count for SMS purposes. You won't find one, because it has never happened. You begin the 6 games of your 6 game IR AFTER, and only after, you are served you papers as a player placing you on the 6 game. That is when you are quite literally banished from the team for anything but rehab.

Not according to the CFL rule book. You could always take a guy off the 1 game IR and put him onto the 6 game but he starts at game 1. There are vastly different rules for what a player can do, and can't do, when on the 1 game and the 6 game IRs. Not according to the CFL rule book. Look it up. According to the rule book, you can switch a guy from 1 game IR to 6 game but definitely NOT retroactively. A player on the 6 game cannot attend anything team related other than rehab for his injury. Players on the 1 game IR are free to partake in any team activity. That is the difference and it's a HUGE one that absolutely prevents teams from retroactively 6 gaming injured players. The CFL rule book and the CBA spell this out very clearly. If I am mistaken, so is the CFL rule book and the CBA.

Totally agree. Walters has never been one to sit on his thumbs if he thinks he can shore up any area of our football team and particularly if he thinks it's necessary. If a move is out there that moves the needle and is the right price, I suspect Walters will take his swing.

Just responding to your post in which you directly quoted me and had quite a lengthy opinion about. Problem with that? Want me to stop...pretty easy solution. Don't respond.

Oh puh-lease...pulling out the victim card now? You sat on a Bomber forum and called the team a bunch of wussies for not reacting to violence with violence. Then when members disagreed with your take you went onto some weird tangent about how you were concerned about player safety and that is why they should bash each others heads in..so it will stop. When that remarkably twisted logic went over like a lead balloon, you tried to appoint yourself the forum leader and lectured us all on how we can be better..presumably by not disagreeing with your far out takes. That even came complete with your resume attached. That was followed by me calling your entire approach horseshit. Too harsh..maybe..insulting...probably. DESERVED..hell yea. Put on your big boy pants if you are going to come on here to lecture us on how we could be better. I'm not here to honor your opinion, I will respect it when it starts making sense.

Yep. Every dollar paid to a player, ANY player is added up. If you have a string of injuries those dollars go up because you are paying more game cheques, if a player misses 6 consecutive games and the player was placed on the 6 game that portion of any remaining game cheques he would have gotten is exempt from the add up. Pretty simple. For every game we pay a minimum of 46 game cheques + injured players game cheques. Some of the injured player cheques may end up exempt if they are long term injuries and the team has placed them on the 6 game IR.

You cannot retroactively put a guy who was on the 1 game IR for say 5 games onto the 6 game for one and get SMS relief. CAN'T BE DONE. You can take a guy off early on the 6 game but all the games he missed become countable to the SMS except for one player each half of the season. The one game and 6 game have very different rules on what players are allowed to do in terms of team engagement. 1 game IR players can still be involved in practice and team meetings. 6 game IR players cannot. Therefore, you absolutely cannot retro swap guys from the 1 game to the 6 game otherwise absolutely no one would ever be on the 6 game until they missed 5 consecutive games. If you take a guy who was on the 1 game and then put him on the 6 game, he starts at game 1 of time missed for 6 game purposes.

If I'm Dinwiddie, I want to know what my team does well and does not do well against by far the best team they will face this year and most likely Grey Cup foe. There is 6 weeks left and lots of time for adjustment if that team proves to be much better....which I suspect they will. There is nothing that Toronto can hide from us now. The game film is out there. Going in and getting trounced in the final third of the season can have devastating effects on a young QB and you can't rest guys for 6 weeks and expect them to have any kind of cohesion come playoff time. You play your best, with your best, until the final couple weeks and get some key vets a breather just before the playoffs. Resting guys with a month and a half to go makes no sense at all. But hey....if Dinwiddie want to put his roster and game plans in the blender for 2 months of the regular season, he deserves the garbage he will get when they try put it back together.

By every definition he is a rookie. You start dumbing down the game plan and the offence starts suffering so will his confidence. Book it. You act like Kelly is immune to being a rookie? Makes no sense. Momentum is a crazy thing and once you lose it, it's tough to get it back. At any rate, we are going to beat you guys down Sept 29 no matter what you do.

Any offensive momentum you are trying to have with a rookie QB goes completely out the window if you start doing stupid shat like that. Probably gets players hurt too. Also, Toronto can't afford losses. Attendance is finally coming up and you don't throw that away by purposely looking like shat the final third of the season.

For sure. 100% correct. It's very simple math really. It would take injury levels never seen before, or Collaros to spend half the season on it, to reach 600k in SMS savings through the 6 game. Sure, I completely accept that Walters has likely budgeted for some of this year's cap to be spent on next year. That is NOT what the discussion was.

At no point did I ever suggest we were replacing vets with vets, my calculations are actually based on replacement at league minimum salary. I am not misunderstanding anything. Anytime a guy goes off the 46, a new guy comes on and earns a game cheque that wouldn't have got one otherwise. That is absolutely 100% fact. Those game cheques must be included in the SMS. Do we leave money for that? Of course. Was that the discussion? Nope. You cannot realize savings from money already set aside unless you don't use it. When guys go to the 6 game those funds allocated for it shrink accordingly. Therefore, it is SMS 101. Savings from the 6 game minus the cost of replacement. It is absolutely 100% the way the SMS works. I missed nothing. You are missing the math.

You CANNOT retroactively move a guy from 1 game to 6 game IR. Different rules of what you are allowed to do for each. You can remove one guy early each half of the season from the 6 game without the SMS hit. The rest have to stay on the full 6 game to get the savings. Exactly right, Whereas, the 6 game allows (IF the player does the full stint) means that one of those players are wiped off the books but the other still counts on the SMS.