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I think they are team trying to manage their SMS/roster as if players should still take deep discounts to stay there and those that won't can move on. They don't have Murphy providing a massive scouting list or Hufnagel's uncanny ability to narrow that down to guys who will excel in the CFL. Their recruiting has dropped off a cliff and it's showing up in the win/loss column.

No doubt about it that big play VA is an apt name, unfortunately, some of those big plays are usually interceptions at very costly times so I suspect our ball hawks are looking forward to that.

Buffalo a zillion years ago. Never played cold weather football at any serious level of competition. At any rate tho, doesn't sound like it will be too bad in S. Ontario. I don't know what it looks like, but I am pretty sure I know what it smells like.

Are you sure? Pretty sure we are just hardier people out here. Can't wait for the Chad to get his first taste of sub zero football as starter.

Vernon is not a good cold weather QB. Hope it's cold. However, he is uncomfortable at 0 degrees even.

No one in this league game plans D in the playoffs better than Hall. He will have a weather ready D plan. Boys just need to execute and raise their games.

Neither team impressed me much. The Bombers would have beat the Stamps by 50 imo..

I would love nothing more than to get into an offensive shootout if we have to play TO. We win that 98 times out of a 100.

I agree...but at the same token it is a relevant consideration.

You needed Mike to point that out? Good gravy Hodge has been mostly unintelligible for many years now right back to when he used to be on the CFL forums. Loves his football...I'll give him that...but he never did make many salient points ever. Once your season is done is my understanding.

He was injured a fair bit of the time with the RIders in fairness....and he was just doing what everyone else did there. Dog it and dance.

Yes, context is everything but Bluto wants to trot out incomplete stats without context to make a strawman argument that anyone with eyeballs and a semi-lucid understanding of football can see is patently false. However, thanks for confirming what our eyeballs were already telling us because it's the only thing an Argo fan as biased and cocky as he is being could possibly understand.

Gotta be honest, I thought our offence was pretty inconsistent as well. We only played to our potential in a few games this season honestly. Your team played over it's head....and still couldn't keep up to a team that was underachieving. Maybe if you had a better QB you could enter the conversation but realistically your O on its best day compared to ours on our best day is not even remotely comparable. We would beat you by 30 points or more. I know you wanna believe that your season record means something....but the eyeball test will always say more than the W/L record especially when one teams record is artificially propped up by having BY FAR the easiest schedule. Still having to wrap my head around who Pinball had to blow to get that kind of schedule.

If Kelly beats BO it is an absolute travesty. Would be the most horrific decision I will have ever been witness to. ZC>CK and BO>ZC...the math is simple. COTY should go to RD. His ability to keep the head cases in his locker room on point so far should be recognized. MOC is BO not even debatable. MODP should be Pickett but will be Betts probably. MOOL Hardrick...Winnipeg just better OL, Rookie Stiggers, ST Leake. Picking TO ST and D because they are the REAL reason for the 16-2 record. Offence just did the bare minimum.

Its the drain at the bottom of the toilet for sure. All the poop flows there. You couldn't pay me enough to live in that cesspool.

Exactly. One has to look at intangibles as well. Did Kelly even once engineer a come from behind victory, or put the team on his back when the defence was having a rough game? If he did, I missed it. It's not difficult to be a productive QB when your defence is lights out, and you can ride a lead all game long. If we are talking MOP and there is a QB bias then Zac by almost every measurable had the better season.....and BO was more outstanding then him. So you are thinking that Chad Kelly not starting in 6 years and then having success should not be a factor in this vote? Personally, I wanna see his Pop Warner numbers before I decide.

I agree. Dinwiddie and MOS did very good jobs with very good rosters but Maas had literally nothing to work with and got double digit wins on a team expected to finish last. I have never seen their heads swelled like this. It's unbearable when people who know nothing about football get swelled heads. It becomes non-sensical. Like the RIders fans a decade ago. For sure. Imo, Dinwiddie deserves it. He doesn't have the locker room that MOS does.

It just needed to be pointed out for posterity.

Nope he did not, but Kelly only hit the field because MBT had crapped the bed worse than Collaros was crapping the bed and had a boo boo.

In all fairness, Brown didn't exactly inspire last season. Knowing what we know now about him it certainly was a mistake but not one that was easily apparent last year.

Jeffcoat should have been Marino'd a long time ago out of this league, and Bomber receivers are already standing down field when the play is blown in....yea...I think Migs said that a time or two.

For sure. I mean Collaros played below average. Not his fault...but facts are facts.

As he should be.

After being completely dominant all season long we just flat out laid an egg in the biggest game. It happens...just very poor timing. The Argos, to their credit, came to play but let's call a spade a spade the Bombers made a crap load of unforced errors in that game.

Absolutely, having a former player who played the game the right way is even more helpful. MOS would die for his team mates when he played and that's the kind of guy any team should want coaching.