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If teams had the benefit of a lot of games early vs. Hamilton and Ottawa those were free spots on the bingo card really. Hamilton didn't even have an OL to start the season.

The locker room does that but MOS is responsible for empowering the players to police themselves. He asked them all to be accountable to each other and recognized who the leaders were in that room and gave them carte blanche to lead. Believe it or not, a lot of head coaches get very threatened by that.

Says to me that the Argos are lucky they have a good defence. I guess bottom line for me to qualify as most outstanding is demonstrating the ability to put the team on your back and drag them to victory. Can anyone truly say that Kelly was the difference between winning and losing in any Argo game this year? I don't think so. They are just a very well rounded team that needs a game manager to be a winning team. Like BC last year, Toronto had the benefit of having the cheapest starting QB to enter the season and therefore to sign/re-sign players last offseason. Next year Chad will be making 600k and it will cost the Argos a few good players to pay him that. He better turn into that guy that can put a team on his back because he won't have the same well oiled machine around him.

Bighill makes dirty hit every single play, and our OL, ALL 5 OF THEM, are holding on every play. We should have 992 penalties for 8000 yards in penalties this season but the fix is in because Ambrosie lived in Winnipeg a long time ago. Signed, Riderfans

Completely agree. Kelly did his job and did it well. Nothing more. BO exceeded all expectations. Toronto's average starting field position and number of offensive series is by far the most in the CFL, yet they squandered a lot of those opportunities with a pretty pedestrian red zone efficiency.

Imagine nothing but tumbleweeds showing up to your stadium to watch it. Honestly, the only thing your team is worthy of is pity for having such a fickle fan base. Argo fans have absolutely nothing they should be beaking off about, as a fan base you are the embarrassment of the league. Sorry Bluto, I know you try be a good fan but cockiness is not something you guys deserve to have.

Ambles is an insurance policy, and a pretty good one for the price. I don't foresee him hitting the field unless things go from bad to worse in our receiving corps injuries. Nice option to have, should fit our room well also. These are exactly the type of moves a really good GM does near playoff time when depth at some areas is questionable.

One thing, and I think it's a massive mistake by the Argos, is that they completely coddled and protected Kelly from having to face any form of adversity this year. A first year starter needs to have those rough games down the stretch when the bullets are really flying. We will see how he handles the mental pressure of leading a team through the playoffs, and despite the success he had this will be his first time doing so and first year starters do NOT have a ton of success historically and it's generally because they have never seen or experienced how ratcheted up play is. Windows are smaller, time in the pocket is less, weather is colder,...just a ton of adversity you don't see in the regular season and it surprises most of them and not in a good way. It would not surprise me at all to see the Argos upset in the EF because all of a sudden Kelly is turning the ball over and then the whole thing snow balls on him.

What? I thought Jackson just picks him up under his arm and runs him to whatever yard line BO decides pre-play. That's why I love this forum, learning football.. lol. But seriously wtf said that Jackson is a big reason for BO's success...dude isn't even on the field for 90% of his touches.

Lumsden might be exactly what they need. Hope they try him out.

I think Ambles is just a worst case scenario pick up that is costing us pretty much nothing so why not. Might not be the last vet we add to the PR right now either.

Chad Kelly is an average QB on a really good team. Nothing wrong with that, and I don't believe he's reached his ceiling, but it would be a farce if he were to win MOP this year based on very pedestrian ability to put the ball in the end zone. He ranks 6th in QB red zone efficiency, and that is one of the gold standards of QB play I look for. For sure. Rourke was sizzling out of the gate last year. Flutie-esque numbers.

Good thing Dinwiddie did not let Kelly show his true greatness, we may have all been blinded.

Since I'm on a rant about MOP posers...cause that's what they are..how does a QB with 23 TD passes become a serious contender for MOP? Brown had 9 in 2 and half games. 30 is the bare minimum imo or else voters should be looking elsewhere because 23 screams game manager only. Also since Labor Day..7TD passes vs 5 INTs. Not MOP numbers when the season got real. Consistency all season long has to be a consideration with a slight bias to performance after Labor Day when you are facing the stiffest competition. In that regard both Kelly and Betts can hardly be considered outstanding. Maybe MPP..most pedestrian.

Just break down the numbers if you want to gage impact. Betts had 8 sacks in the last 12 games of the year. He produced over half his total in the first 6 games. 3 of those teams were playing backups at OT. Not trying to diminish Betts but Farhans reasoning is out to lunch.

I thought he did well. I think there are at least 2 teams that would offer him starting money. Probably be mostly performance based tho.

Henry Burris and Mike Reilly come to mind just off the top of my head. Probably others too. Henry Burris and Mike Reilly come to mind just off the top of my head. Probably others too.

Because he likes it here and our franchise is the gold standard of the CFL. Great players leave their teams all the time via FA.

Brown is going to get paid this offseason for sure. We can always bring him home in 2 or 3 years once ZC retires. He'd likely jump at the chance.

Weather will be a factor on attendance.

If Brady wasn't rolling we may have found another way, but it's sooooo much easier when he is....and there is no doubt at all going into ANY game this year what our plan was. A steady diet of BO for the W. Teams knew it, prepared for it, and failed to stop him. That is the very definition of outstanding imo. Our ability to run the rock in the 2nd half won us many games.

Nor can you overlook the fact that we have pretty much put many games on his back, he wasn't racking up stats in garbage time. We dared teams to stop him and they couldn't. He didn't have 5 or 6 big games against wimpy teams to pad his stats, he ran over everyone.

Yea...I'm certainly not advocating that he is the best DE in the league just that he is really good at putting himself in position for sacks.

Totally. My point in all of this is that his coaches don't even task him with anything but pass rush, and he's good at it, but certainly he is not a well rounded DE. Betts is very good at figuring out where the QB will be as opposed to really strong in pursuit...it's a knack he's got and I'll give him credit for that. Roll out or run on him and he's a liability. He does it very well. The numbers don't lie. It's why he will get more consideration that he should for MOC.

In a vacuum it's Betts, however, no one is set free to do so nearly as much as he is and that is my point. He is a guy that all you can do is point him at the QB and say go and hope teams don't exploit the weaknesses he has outside the pass rush. He gets home on the QB though...there is no denying that...17 sacks. Personally, I think he is probably the best pure pass rusher but there are a few DEs I would rather have because they play a complete game. Pass rush is only one aspect of a DE's job...unfortunately it is attached to one of footballs big glory stats.