Booch

i'd rather have a rookie make the odd mistake...and learn and develop than an old guy who justv doesnt have it....or a coach's fav who has no business as a starter...that also equates to losses...likely more, and at same time you arent building depth

risky move....and too much weight given to what he accomp0lished 5 yrs ago now...and since...we been regressing Making playoffs is great....losing for inexcusable and easily preventable reasons is an issue....Osh wont change hu=is ways ....hasnt in 12 yrs. People say he and Walters have earned the right to fix things....well why did they break it in first place?....and since 2021 have had 4 yrs now to "fix" it and if anything we got worse Guess we have to wait and see and give benefit of doubt...Maybe Miller re-upped with the caveat you show a change...or you will be canned The month of January will pretty much dictate the 2026 season with who some the first re-signings are....and if Walter's doesnt get on the podium and state that we are moving on from a whack of guys from the "glory days" half a decade ago now and we moving in a new direction...with that the announcement sooner than later that OC Guy is not coming back but failing to do that....status quo with coaching and how we run camp/practices and award spots with nary a competition.....the early signing of Thomas types...can see a ZC extension as well....among other dumb moves....well 2026 gonna be more the same I have little faith in Osh until he show's different...and if he does he will get my praise for it...I never dumped on him pre 2019...but since 2023 and the continuous blunders that lead to where we are....he has done nothing to get much praise as it got worse yr over yr...so not holding my breath I do expect some guys we dont wanna see leave ....leave tho thing is....RB is a real poor place to have your marque salary in a Canadian where you can get the same or even better production from an import at 1/3 the cost....and who in the CFL pays anything close to what BO gets here? We coulda payed Dobson...easily...but we tied whacks of money into guys Osh valued more....who were not worth it....it's how you allocate money...and where....not so much to who....RB....DB.....LB....Boundary receiver. we have excessive money tied into RB...DB....LB....and it kills us elsewhere...

yup...we definitely backed in....and was lucky we were able to

with 2023 and 2024 in the que Say or Smith wouldnt have been a huge difference maker....but wouldnt have hurt us either, and would have been so much further in development for 2026 tho, the larger issue was it would have allowed another import elsewhere...say a legit Dline man to delete Thomas....an Imoport olineman todelete Kolo....a true legit WR threat You cant look at the thing just player vs player....it affected the entirety of the roster...a poorly crafted one for us in regards toassetts/value/worth....and coupled with his insistance to not vary from his rstio allotment....just handcuffed us more

what if ish said he didnt want them....or valued crap like Kolo...Thomas and money they sucked up as more important...is the G.M to do opposite of what HC wanted?...That would be dysfunctional....or if HC pited and stommped his feet at direction GM wanted...again dysfunctional...either way...no good and one had to go....and just based on what we witnessed with game decisions...who was rostered and played more....dumb move in games....playing hurt guys....not using Natioilzed rule....playing more Canadians than needed, when some were inferior than a Import....pretty apparent the major issue here became Osh.....and yeah Walter's was weak, and should have done something more...Or maybe they tried and Osh just was Osh...so plan was regardless after season if he got another offer or not...was gonna be gone? Enabling Osh to slither away ego intact?...who knows....but we can all agree we need change Running back 2026 as status quo...same people in place....we will be a 5th place squad Yeah...roster aside, or what was made available...Osh picked poorer players over better/younger upside guys....rarely allowed any young guy to get reps and acclimated/experince...or even push a guy off the starter spot to make the roster deeper and stronger.....while he rode guys into the dirt till there was zero tread left, or became limited due to injury and then had no viable guy to plug in they trusted or had any film on to feel good about playing them, and had to trot out injured guys further hamstringing the game day roster, all the while claiming they "all stater quality/number 1's) How that is any of Walters fault is hard to comprehend, and if he pulled the trigger mid-season this yr many...well most here would claim what an error that was ....Walter's biggest gaff was not pulling trigger after the 2024 Grey Cup loss and why we lost it...poor rostering...poor in-game decisions....and that was 3 yrs running Time to look forward now and at the positive aspect....we aren't rebuilding...or coming from a place where we started with Osh in 2013 that was an utter dupster fire...we in a good place....just need a new driver...we will be fine

well you should have some trust, as that's who you hired, and Osh did sell him and Miller on being the guy to carry out their vision But...how things went since 2023....that trust and rope should have been reeled in, and the hard questions asked....I think that is where we went off the rails.....and need to get that back on track...we are not in desperation mode and really are just a few lil tweeks away from being right back where we were....but not under this current set-up But when the G.M and H.C are buds....who had some early success together...muddies the water...can't go down that road again

but if the HC at end of yr and in FA tells his G.M this is who he wants....yadda yadda yadda....the G.M should trust in him....not create rifts....Walter's and Osh are both to blame....100%....Walter's more so in not being more the "boss"....but then that also falls on Miller too End of the day Osh picks the roster, and cant be argued he picks some bad choices....so it's his team...he also makes the dumb decisions and poor judgement....in charge of the unprepared team more times than we can count, and rarely able to answer with adjustments....Walter's biggest blinder was not dumping him last yr...lesson learned I guess Agree....and thats exactly what happened here...Osh was given to much currency and rope due to a few cup wins...and Walter's stopped being the damn good G.M he was....And if like you said there was the stand-off....he should have canned him after the debacle of 2024.....or by labour day this yr

or ply the ones that could rep into the offence or defence....and they dont develop...until they leave here as other coaches do....Osh's logic just like his coaching is flawed, and will be a good riddance now....you dont larn on the sideline, or even in practice really...theory sure...maybe....playing....not at all yeah...exactly...how do you think we got T.Jones...dumped for a raw rookie...who ended up as RO.Y as well....and is better than any LB we rostered the last 2 yrs...Osh is flawed, and hopefully he can keep the Argo's in the abyss now I have not been one....and have no issues with him back to be honest Sad we have 2 former guys we could have kept on that list too...and would have made a huge difference here this yr....but our dear leder choose to retain his lil fav's in several spots....not allowing us to do so

GM is responsible with his staff of scouts to bring in talent....not "final say" as well....as it goes with all teams...The HC will parlay the type of player he wants...who he wants to retain, go after in FA etc..etc...and G.M and his team will accommodate that best they can...They not gonna bring in guys, or resign guys/not resign guys that go against what the HC wants or claims he needs.. This roster garbage and fail is all on Osh as he is the the guy who puts the roster together....and the only fail by Walter's is the blind trust and believing in what Osh was saying....He should have tied the can to him at end of last yr, or as this season unfolded and the issues that were responsible again for us listing badly and still sinking...canned him before labour day...That's Walter's fail...and to an extent Miller's too Players were brought in...and cut...many showed real well in camp and in pre-season and above all had potential and upside...youth on their side...but Osh went another direction...kept garbage...aged out....poor talent and nobody experienced to back them up...making it worse Could the guys released made a difference and been better....we can never know but very likely would have because they couldn't have been worse than a lot of what we retained....even guys who were kept, were better than a lot of the guys that Osh choose to play and align his beliefs in...

He should have been rostered in lieu of Ball or some other irrelevant bottom Canadian and repped in at times...if for nothing to get a guage on him Like his tenacity and size and his technique is real good being a raw rookie

Bud Grant left for NFL tho...im sure if he stayed he would have eventually flamed out at somepoint tho...as its inevitable

Average fan that just looks at record..2 cup wins pretty much half decade ago...read the media slobbering but don't connect dots to the 4 straight failing yrs...and common theme as to why and what real issues are for sure will think hes da bomb...hence that sentiment...every good coach and situstion runs its course...that's why u don't see lifetime coaches in one spot...we ran a good 4 yr course bookended by 1 poor course that almost ended early....to one now that was cratering due to no reason other than self sabotage by a stubborn guy who can't seem to evolve further...it definitely time and he will be looked at in bomber history as one of the greats..but also flawed leading to his end

Bud...not mike...how dare you slander Mike u old bugger! 😆

If he'd come...be excellent choice...if he didnt get poached early he'd have had multiple cups..and prob coached well into the 10 yr range Guy was an excellent manager of a team..dealing with players..and on top of it all crazy smart positional coach/coordinator Even when he was HC at that time we only had minimal coaches so was heavily involved as DC along with HC Prior to that top notch DB coach...but dare to dream Any g.m dictating roster during season or arbitrarily cutting guys over the coach is Glieberman territory and dysfunction at its highest degree Once camp opens...its all HC on who stays...who goes...who plays..and how much...period...end...no deviation... We will continue the slide...and some players we don't want to leave.. Will leave and several that should have been gone for a few seasons now...will be back...basically

Maybe that's one of his "options" If he to get a big raise then better be elsewhere...he already in Bang for buck range where he hampers lineup elsewhere Don't get me wrong hes a great player and the heart of the team...but also at a position where if u know how to scout can get same production at a third of the cost. Beat me to it...if he wants more...we are a better team moving on...sentiment and all aside...be crippling...especially if we still paying ZC

Yeah...that was part too...but also...he wasn't happy...was a big loss...u think a new young up and comer would say the other part in media...not happening Yes..in not so many words...and so he left

We come in with a new HC...with a vision and willing to let best players play...and spots be earned...we won't lose anyone we want/need to keep We stand pat and continue as we have ladt 2 yrs...expect many a defection..and piss poor FA period

Yup..always wrong....much like your drivel...continue lol Just cause you don't know me, don't let it get you down...others do...but also I don't need them or want them to vouch...your justvthe classic internet poster who peaked in high-school but still likes to live there leading your gaggle...u do u.. And cause I won't offer u names doesn't make it not true...I have to others in PM and had it validated...maybe some will tell u so but I don't require or need them too...its also about trust...and u have none and I can't trust u currently to divulge anything as far as I could throw you...and pretty sure I could toss u a fair distance too...why would I offer any tidbit to you ...someone who attacks..accuses...shoots off his cockhole incessantly...earn it...and u might get it

Could have landed Flo as well..amoung others...even guys like Godber could have been had in FA which would have made us significantly better...but when HC tbinks otherwise and got too much sway.....well.....deals can be made but when your HC says we good...and you trust him to a fault...well u get our roster And the G.M should trust the HC he chose...and shouldn't meddle into things...but there comes a point when they have to start exercising their g.m role as the boss too...but we didn't here...result of too much buddy buddy crap here ...possible but it needed to change this offseason ...last offseadon really but we dragged ass on several levels and were lucky to make playoffs if not for the cross over...I am a fan of the team and defend a lot...players and coaching...but we were a flawed smoke and mirrors team 2 yrs running..and the smoke finally took over

But if given total control basically...he'd have no pushback to deal with He was given too much here..and killed us and created rifts with his room and with scouting...There a reason Penn left here...why work your butt off all offseason for nothing...Ted offered him similar role and off he went

We need 2 legit new bodies...or 1 if Wallace progresses which i sure he will We in good shape with Vpool and Randolph as future and to be honest a transition year with Vpool..Bryant...Eli if he gets the shot...or anyone but Kolo...Best of Neuf/Wallace...Randolph Bryant i think is more than serviceable at guard as we transition and be invaluable to Vpool and the center...and is damn good insurance in pinch if a tackle goes down We def tho need to grab a top notch olineman in FA regardless of position as have missed out on several good guys lately as we let our line erode..and guys walk

So Argos apparently wanna give osh big say in personelle...obviously they delusional and wanna be wandering the wilderness aimlessly....have at er But new HC and era about to start here. 2 yrs too late but still a good thing

and I would have hoped so coming off a knee rebuild and likely not to be ready for season....and then we pushed his return when it was obvious he wasnt ready...then he got rehurt and we continued to play him...and well we all seen how that panned out...possible ended his career...best case scenario is he maybe ready for end of 2026 seaso, but even then the smart move is to sit it all out and come backk for 2027...We may have seen last of Schoen here and yes we agree on this...We could have...we chose not to, or allocated dumb money to dumb incumbamts and priced ourselves out...That is one of Walter's blunders in this debacle of a season

Randolph is a perennial All-star in the making...prob already there Nothing wrong with Neuf's play, and he is a solid vet as he can play multiple roles Jefferson I think needs to realize that he not top dollar money now....or has to show he is and needs to come back on a more team friendly deal....I not opposed to him back and in no way think he u=is in physical decline whatsoever...used right...and in the right role with the right support cast...this is the key part would be very valuable net positive...cause if Osh goes he may take lot of our garbage off our hands I dont see any of those guys wanting to follow Osh...From what I know...much to the foot stomping of @GCn20 who thinks this info comes from someone at Snap Fitness....those 3 are a big part of some the core who were not happy with things and how they evolved...Expunging Osh likely a factor in all 3 staying...not leaving

sorry that you cant grasp I have player relations outside the norm and you just act like a petulant child about it...and going off some "media" sound bite or speculation...is prob the lamest way to interpret "inside" the room or player thoughts...but just be you....Yiu the man and are never wrong.... correct....No G.M worth a used jock will want to walk into a organization where he is forced a staff upon him...85 to 95% of time a G.M is etained and a HC change occurs...less upheaval organization wise and easiest to correct....if the following yr same issues occur...then he is gone...If both arent canned it is usually always the HC...and or Co-Ords first...well in well ran organizations...and we can all agree we have become the benchmark in well ran....up until recent, but is it a HC issue...or overall?...the smart money says it's HC and this is the time to move....if we re-up and he still coaches like a stubborn brain dead guy looking at 2019...then we just handcuff ourselves further into the wandering in the drakness on the hook for his salary and killing our coaching cap you have to remember...GCn20 is either Osh's mom...Wife...whoever....but he will fall on the knife of Osh is da bomb and it;s everything and everyone elses fault...even tho Osh picks the roster...chooses who dresses and gets major reps, and refuses to use beneficial rules...chooses to play injured guys....uses excessive Canadians when not needed, and when they not better than an import... well kinda...Walters has no say or input on the game day roster...plan....etc...basically anything really once camp breaks....and that's what you want....A meddling G.M is a disfunctional organization...That being said tho...should he have maybe had a few "discussions"?? hell ya, because Osh has basically driven the team right into the dirt