Booch

I love our punter....lol...******* useless

exagerated....they are not all garbage... I will add tho...coaching/roster/in game adaptations or lack thereof are not helping ZC either...so yeah it not all on him....but he aint what he was.....and it's obvious...and a lot is in his head now

yup....same with RB's play well with same garbage...WR play well with garbage QB's....it goes on and on Heck even here..BO plays behind same O-line...Missed a game and is leading league in rushing....by that logic should he not be at bottom of league too? Stegall...Played with crap most his career.....what he do? When you are elite...you are elite and you produce...regardless...when you have lost your eliteness....and you are not buffered by elite talent everywhere....and aging....well.....what u get?...Performances that are not consistant anymore...and up and down like a hookers panties....Much like BA....his are down around his ankles for most part now...Biggie...his fell right off....and of late...and in pressure games last few yrs (Grey Cups) seems ZC has one leg out of his...until he strings 7..8..9 games together...puts team on his back and is the reason wins get pulled out of the fire....I will not change my opinion....

Isn't that Just an excuse tho...have seen lots of players before play well with garbage surrounding them. And at pro level regardless who is running out there with you ...you still can perform and make plays. I don't think that the players around him are that atrocious that it's made him look like garbage...underthrows...totally missing...panic in pocket with no ability to make yards with legs..or avoid a sack by throwing it away...passes into double...triple coverage...that's not all related to guys around him...it's a good excuse/crutch tho Strev got a win......

he definately cant walk up the pocket and let er rip...part of his under throw problems....possibly....tho I do think he is also on the downswing...some of his processing what's going on even with no pressure isn't on point Some of his adlib throws too aren't what they used to be...age is a mutha effer Osh...and some media rave about his work and tosses in practice.....which is kinda whatev's and the coaches should know that....when you know where u are going...no threat of getting your bean knocked off your pole and things basically going as scripted....Thats where I have issue with how we evaluate talent and who is capable...

Greg Clark as well in the early 90's was in the LB mix too...helluva a player too

yeah we ran it from mid 80's into the 90's

I believe when we ran that then originally was Aaron Brown....Delbert Fowler and Battle with West...we also had it earlier with our Coach Darryl Patterson too....

yup....we run with guys until they no longer can run due to injury....not production...then we swap em out!

He's athletic and has good movement...I think he will impress....I wish we would do some juggling at center....as just to "see" how it looks.....

Time for Clercius to step up....carve a spot and show he belongs....and get more reps....this is a good thing I would use this Neuf 6 game too and audition Wallace..Eli and Dobson in varying deployments too and see who should be playing

more ineptness.... Good thing we have minimal depth....or we would see Canadians....and be even weaker thank christ....We start too many as it is who are sub par....bullett dodged

The.last 2 yrs especially of coaching/management ineptitude has put us so far behind the 8 ball this yr and if nothing changes fast we squarely behind it next yr too it's not even funny...and totally inexcusable from this apparent "flagship" coaching/culture team

Christ...first man up in about 5 spots is barely even worthy of being the next man up

A Bailey sure would be nice...and he could drop right in...he's in game shape and knows our offence...he hasn't forgot his role from last 4 seasons...

Strev one more time

I think it was his sacroilliac...he needs to learn how to let his backbone slide..... Yeah...why put two playmaker in together making plays and not being a speed bump...lol Yup...no way its a "shoulder " injury I think Clercius takes Woli role if he not good to go...but that would make too much sense so Lucky prob gets on and stands on sidelines all game...in all seriousness tho I hope he is back for kick off returns tho...

based on the craptacular receiving work from some of the other guys...should he have not been getting a hard look already??...like wtf?? and I have no reason to believe or take anything from the injury reports as truthful or legit....Woli got a rib...hip/lower body injury....grabbed at it when he was hurt....came back and could barley run/move with any intent....but report says "shoulder".....I call bullshit on that...his movements and limitations when he tried to come back in no way showed a shoulder issue

all things considered other than some bad gaffs....some questionable personell...they have been good....now imagine if we optimized our roster with who we actually have here right now....they would be damn good...thats the whole discussion...complaining...rehashing of things over and over....it doesn't have to be the way it is....and on offence too.....but stubborness usually gets you canned...or fail....we see the fail...bring on the can exactly....if you cant admit or see we were lucky...and even lucky last 2 seasons in some instances...then you not seeing the whole picture...gotta be good to be lucky.....when you not good...luck waves buh-bye more times than not, and then yhou have the "a break here or there and we could have won" scenario

oh dont get me wrong...I agree.....Thomas and Kolo need to evaporate sooner than later...but we are also in this position due to negligence and neglect re: our roster and player assessment We would be no worse...and likely much better off with Dobson/Eli/Wallace....Demskii...BO and Woli....with Clercius in Johnson's spot, and roster Murphy and Sign Bailey who can be Nationlized due to injury to one of Woli/Demski/Clercius in game and dress Murphy in lieu of Thomas as additional National WR depth......And have no need for any Canadian "starter" on defense save for Ford...who is a legit talent....don't even have to declare him as a designated national spot on defense so if he does get hurt you can replace him with any import......and then you could allow Kramdi to be what he is...a good rotational piece...spot starter due to injury, or move him around on the defense in different spots... safety...SAM... and on certain sets and schemes. That right there alone just with who we have in house would make us a better team...way more versatile...

yeah...if we needed a 7th...and it was the only option...sure....but we dont need him as the 7th...we can do better there....choose not too...and pay a baffling amount for him....whereas that money would/could have been used elsewhere Pick a team in the league that would say I wish we had Kramdi in at SAM for us over who we have.....good luck I'll go even further....show mer a team that would use/take Thomas over whomever else they use for 80 percent of snaps in a game....who would swap Kolo for their center one for one.....I can't see any team taking our punter over who they have. Who would swap Biggie for their MLB.....Maybe one team would take BA over their guy....Who would scoop Case...Mitchel...Johnson off the scrap heap and start them.... There a reason we are sitting at 2-5...and lucky to be at that record to be honest....

One great game doesn't make a career or justify the use...he has had more sub par and poor games than great ones...now if that was the norm...sure...but it isn't...and I bet we dont see another game like that again but will see many of what we have seen up to that point

we could go Bryant...Eli at center...some stud import guard...the best of Wallace/Dobson at other....Keep Lofton and if we start Woli/Demski/BO as well then we only need Ford as a "starter", and a guy on every down rotating at either SAM...or on Dline...Heck even give Kramdi some safety reps...or morph him into a safety....easily doable We dont have to be running out sets with 2 National dlineman...and Kramdi...and Ford.....and sometimes 3 national Dlineman....That whole way we been doing things is pointless....dumb....and sacrifices talent and an aggressive defense for......man I dont even know what for other than an Osh preference

and we still have Alston on PR who has showed nothing running 2 yrs now...and even Murphy...who has been vaulted by Clercius....poor PR use right now and 2 extra DB's....when we didnt have a viable LB to cover for loss of Cole and Wilson...again....like wtf we doing with our PR? We essentially had 10 DB's on the last game day roster...11 if you include Kramdi....more than enough room to throw Lawler..Bailey..Lucky..Demski, Woli and Wilson as your main 6 guys...With Clercius as a back-up

thats what I can see too...