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Thanks. This forum was beginning to sound like the old OBB forum. The ad hominem attacks were multiplying.

Walters has not been spectacular but has made some good moves: Westerman, Wild, Darvin Adams, Nichols etc but not enough to qualify for GM of the year. He merits another year in the GM office.

Wasn't there a folk song about him from way back?

I don't understand this. Are you implying that they're better simply because they're catching more touchdowns? Is that sort of thing even legal?

No doubt in the history of the CFL there have been hard coaches who have been saddled with assistants who were not of their choices, but if any candidate for head coach agreed to that he would deserve the disaster which inevitably would follow. I not longer have a high opinion of O'Shea as a head coach,but I do not think he would be dumb enough to accept that. Good or bad, O'Shea is the master of his own fate.

Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.

And the other sub-par games before that?

If O`Shea is kept for next season, he might surprise and do great, but the odds are against him. I do not recall any coach who got off to such a horrible two-year record and rebounded to be a good coach.

Shhhh. don`t ruin it for us. Its a nice fantasy.

Absolutely no. Both Chick and Owens have more of their playing days behind them than in front of them, and like it or not, we are now rebuilding for the future.

We desperately need a replacement for Walker. Lets hope Scott is both good and durable.

BC is not that good this year, but they seem to have found a saviour in Jennings, but we have seen flashes of that sort of thing in Montreal and Saskatchewan. Ritchie Hall appears to be a good enough defensive coach to get his people ready. I don't have much confidence in Bellfeuille's ability to take advantage of a weak BC defence.

Maybe we need to start a contest as to which cliches O'Shea will use following each game.

I think he is going to need help to figure out what the heck is going on with him and/or his game.

That honesty would be refreshing.

How about an inverse sliding scale for beer prices. IE: the worse the Bombers are being thumped, the lower the prices, but if the Bombers are winning,the prices go up. Yeah, not very practical but I would bet this would get the Bombers a lot of great PR.

My point has been that it is difficult and misleading to judge on the basis of one game, or even two, but O'Shea deserves to be judged on the basis of his entire record, including the win/loss ratio, but if the blowout losses exceed the wins, that rightfully should be an area of concern. Moreover, some of his decisions such as keeping Kuale and Walker around are baffling, to say the least.

Burnett, Walker, Cone. Please God, let it be Walker. Pontbriand is at least as good as a ball carrier and I'm pretty sure he can catch as well. We will lose nothing by the change.

I don't think it is purely about money. Money does not buy you smarts, and neither does hiring on the basis of likability. We need someone with proven success as a coach and this not just about schemes- its even more about the ability to judge both subordinates and players. Kuale is a prime example of someone who shouldn't have been here long enough to unpack, and this year its both Bellefeuille and Walker.

I gotta ask you, have you seen that blowout-loss team, since the backup quarterbacking has improved? And the team record since Nichols' arrival has been.....? You have to answer my question first. The team has been more competitive since Nichols arrived, apart from the first game. But there have been zero wins. You can justify it because of this or that, but you can go back to the post-game comments of Kelly, Reinebold, Burke or Daley and you will hear very similar statements, that the team could have won if only (insert excuse here). Now then.....O'Shea's record pre and post Nichols is...?

I have to agree with you in spite of my usual optimism. I cannot recall feeling as pessimistic about the Bombers' prospects. I witnessed some bad regimes like Spaavital, Zaleski, Daley, Rogers, Kelly, Burke and Reinebold, but I knew they were long shots and had little hope they would pan out. When Burke was fired, I believed that an experienced head coach and GM were needed, but I allowed myself to think that maybe the Hufnagel and Austin approach just might work out. O'Shea was a fierce competitor as a linebacker with a long career and ought to have had the right stuff, but all the available evidence says no. Where in Hell do we go from here?

If the horrible mismanagement and coaching of the past three regimes haven't totally turned the faithful off, I suspect that we will continue to live in hope that next year will finally be better.

Coaching here scarred him for life. Not to mention what it did to Bomber fans.

If we had answer to this, we would understand a lot of O'Shea's mysterious decisions- like why Chevon Walker is still here.

Someone here made a comparison between Willy and Kevin Glenn, but I think Nichols is a better comparison. Neither Nichols nor Glenn appear to have the right stuff to carry a mediocre team into the playoffs but can be real assets when used correctly. If we had not picked Nichols up for a pittance, I shudder to think how much worse the team would have been.