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Apparently Turner and Peach will be available for Friday, but I am hoping we will field the same D-line as we did against BC. Turner and Peach are just not good enough.

The older I get, the better I was.

Yes, we are so desperate that this is not inconceivable. "Inconceivable" can also apply to a woman who cannot get pregnant...or is that "inscrutable"?

Don Matthews didn't win any Mr. Congeniality prizes, either, just Grey Cups. And he was the winningest coach we've had since Dave (God bless him) Ritchie.

Yes, we are so desperate that this is not inconceivable.

As long as you own your statements as personal opinions, keep off political sniping and refrain from speaking as an ultimate authority, you'll be all right. And having the skin of a rhino helps.

He looks like the same shape as when he played. as for being in game shape, thats a bit of a stretch... Danny's game shape was pretty much oval.

Danny Barrett was a decent coach and a pretty good QB in his day, but he treated media and fans like they were invading Nazis.

Ah, he's a putz.

The Cavalry is not coming, so grit your teeth and hang on folks. Who we got is who we will have for the rest of the season, for better or ill. There is a very real likelihood that Willy is looking at next year before he throws another football in anger, so if Marve aint it, we are stuck with hoping that Dom Davis has brought something to the party.

And gosh darn it, people dont like us! Just slap them around....and make them like it... The beatings will continue until morale improves

Well if Marve gets us a hit, Davis another hit and we keep going this could work. The problem with your scenario is that we would need nine more quarterbacks to finish the season plus more for the playoffs.

Impacts have a cumulative effect if there is not the time to heal between them. If somebody gets hit/jumped on often enough by someone else 80 pounds heavier, something bad is going to happen. Its like Russian Roulette- sooner or later the hammer is going to come down on the loaded chamber. Willy got hit 5 times in the first half and it was only a matter of time. If this or something like this didn't happen last game it would probably have happened soon after.

To keep things in perspective- Richie Hall's defence is performing well, especially considering the liabilities (Hurl, Leggett, Bucknor) he is saddled with, so that leaves the offensive offense and special teams. There may be an argument about how well we can do in Willy's absence but there is no possible excuse for the special-teams cock-ups we have seen this year.

Each of those quarterbacks have previous CFL exposure .. expecting an American QB to come in here and make any sort of impact without having previously experienced the league is not in the realm of realistic. (Smith was on the Argos PR last year) And Cato?

And that knee joint is going to be painful for the rest of his life and almost certainly arthritic.

Some if not all of the best coaches in the CFL have pulled their starting QBs early if the offence wasn't producing and a change of pace was in order. I've seen Don Matthews and Buono do it. The offence wasn't doing squat all first half, so it was decided to keep on doing the same in the second half. Where's the sense in that?

If Marve struggles in his first start, lets show some patience here. No doubt he thinks he can lead the team to the promised land, but getting up to game speed may take some time. I am still urinated off at O'Shea.

No doubt this development will cause all manner of joy over at Riderfans.

It is also QUITE possible that I could win the lottery but I wouldn't bet on that, either.

Life would be much easier if all decisions could be made with hindsight. The concensus on the gameday chat was that Willy should have been pulled. On the 'OB broadcast the opinion was that Willy should have been pulled, and even on the TSN halftime panel they reached the same conclusion. It wasn't rocket surgery.

Picking Waggoner was still a good move, but the rest of your post is dead on. Willy's injury means that the Labour Day games are going to be a nightmare and all that chortling done here over the Rider woes are going to sound pretty ironic.

Whoever decided to leave Willy in the game after halftime ought to do the honourable thing and fall on his sword.

There are a lot of things I would want to say about this but they would all be asterisked out. This has to be laid at the feet of one Michael O'Shea and possibly Marcel Bellefeuille. The decision to leave Willy in when he was doing nothing and when itwas obvious to all that it was out of hand, has to rank as the stupidest move of his tenure here. The probability now is that the season is very much in doubt and if it leads to O'Shea being fired, he will richly deserve it. *******

Because Marve's natural style is so different from Willy's, the offence is going to have to be retooled at least a bit to take advantage of his strengths. Even so, Marve's lack of first-team reps may hamper his performance, so lets not get our hopes up that he is the reincarnation of Matt Dunigan in his prime. We need to see if Marve is better than Brohm and good enough to trust him to be an alternative to Willy if need be. Toronto is a good team and beating them with Willy at the helm would be no small feat, but with Marve (if he really starts-not a given) a win would be a real shot in the arm for team morale.