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With this move, the ottawa franchise has guaranteed the fans a couple more years of mediocrity at best instead of taking their lumps and growing a good, young QB.

What are you sighing about? You went from 30 degrees to 30 degrees didn't you?

Trestman is a good guy, respected by peers and players alike, unfailingly polite and knowledgable about the game. I wish the best for him- from what I understand, he was saddled with a poor team and a sub-par quarterback. A recipe for getting the sack in the NFL.

Before the moment slips past, I would take the time to wish all and sundry who gather here the best of the season with peace and fulfillment in the new year.

Would it have been better if we had limped into the playoffs with this defence which had no clue on how to stop an inside running game and then got humiliated in a semi-final game? We did not belong in the playoffs and if somehow we had made it, we probably would have had Etch and his defence for another year, and by then everybody would know how to bone us, which would mean butt-kickings from day one.

O'Shea is smart to not put all his eggs in one basket. Willy started out on fire but tailed off badly at the end of the year, and there may be some question whether it was horrible game plans, accumulating injuries, a rotten O-line or maybe, just maybe Willy has gotten shell-shocked from the beating he took. Its still Willy's job to lose, but the backups looked pretty good at times even with that O-line, so perhaps who the quarterback will be all next year is not set in stone. We've seen what losing your starting and only credible quarterback gets sidelined in Vancouver and Regina.

Milt was clear that his success was all about determination and conditioning. He said that he was rarely the fastest guy on the field for the first 20 or 30 plays but after that he rapidly became the fastest player.

If memory serves, Julian Feoli-Gudino's catches last season essentially won two games for us in the dying moments. Without those two wins, our record would have gone from bad to downright embarassing.

That O'Shea could not see that or perhaps chose not to intervene is worrisome. O'Shea ought to have had enough experience to know the Etch's "system" was deeply flawed from day one. That's not really accurate. As much as Etch's system is flawed, it worked very well for us in its initial stages and MOS certainly cannot be blamed for smiling…as long as we were winning. The problems arose much later and only were really a problem because our offence got bogged down time and time again. We had our chances to win a few more games last year and our defence was not the source of that failure to win. Having said that…thank goodness that system is gone. Obviously we here do not have the same degree of insight that some one like O'Shea would have, yet more that one poster in this forum predicted that by Labour Day, Etch's system would be found wanting and compensated for. I believe that is what Mr. Brown said in his article- the basics were flawed.

That O'Shea could not see that or perhaps chose not to intervene is worrisome. O'Shea ought to have had enough experience to know the Etch's "system" was deeply flawed from day one.

So Rod will have to learn to say "Je t'aime" now?

Sanity from DesJardins- who'da thunk?

This. KJ could read a defense really well, hence why we think he's got what it takes to be a good coach. I think he just needs a lot more experience under his belt. Head coach, probably, but offensive coach not.

For all those still foaming at the mouth at the prospect of a Greg Marshall defence: a) it ain't gonna happen, so get over it and even if it did, could it have been as bad or worse than this year?

They also worked together at Cal too. I think Tedford & Cortez had a falling out. He either left or was fired by Tedford. I don't think it ended nicely. Yeah that still is interesting. Cortez 'left to pursue an NFL job' and wound up taking the Riders OL Coach vacancy. Cal went through a few OCs during that time period. It's a tough gig to try and stay on top of a Power 5 conference. Why didn't you bring this up today? There are some things that I just can't remember at my old age, Kent. Me too- like the 60's,70's and 80's......

I wonder who is present at the interviews?Mike O'Shea is present. Is that it? Who else needs to be there? No one. O'Shea will have to answer for the coaches under him and therefore ought to have the final say.

Indeed O'Shea's comments during the Etcheverry departure news conf suggest Drew Willy will be on a short leash.Huh? I assume you're joking.Me too.. I have a very hard time believing that we are even remotely considering moving on from Willy or short leashing the guy.. And the fact that I watched the entire press conference and O'Shea didn't allude to Willy being on a short leash at all. What O'Shea said between 5 mins 30 and 6 mins 20 in that news conf is hardly a ringing endorsement of Bellefueille or Drew Willy. And it shouldn't be. Professional sports are about performance- produce or you are gone and how well every member of the Bombers does next year will have a direct bearing on whether O'Shea continues as head coach. O'Shea does not have a thick portfolio of success as a head coach and cannot write 2015 off as one bad year which should be discounted if it comes to that. Willy did very well for the first half of the season but he tailed off badly for one reason or another and Brohm and Marve showed well. This ought to be a clear signal to the troops that every man of them will have to earn his place on the roster and work to keep it.

Plus he's much closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

Aaah. This brings a tear to my eye. Now I have to go pee.

This thread is a macguffin.

I think the real question here is... who in their right mind is up at 4:16 am?!?!I'm in Punta Cana right now so it was actually at 6:16am Up at 6:16am on vacation in a warm and sunny destination with your electronic internet device, posting on a message board. Your priorities are clearly different than mine. Get out there and enjoy, dude. You only live once. Well, maybe not....

Claybrooks biggest asset might be that he could make toe jam out of anyone who ticks him off.

Has anyone heard about Brohms thumb? Yeah, I know this one. Brohm's thumb walks into a bar and... No. No. No. It goes: a horse walks into a bar and the bartender says,"Why the long face?"

Bellefeuille deserves a season with a decent O-line, a couple of healthy competitive wide receivers, an aggressive running game and a vertical quarterback. I'm not sure anyone could have done any better with that mess of an offence last season.

Who said anything about Claybrooks?!?!? Talk about pulling a name out of nowhere. Claybrooks has been mentioned on this forum several times, often facetiously, however.