TrueBlue4ever

Jets have trailed 3-1 at some point in 5 of their 8 games this year. In 2 of the other 3, they were trailing by a goal after 2 periods. Given the historical difficulty in winning games when trailing after 2 periods, it is kind of remarkable that they are 5-3 overall. But they cannot sustain success with these in-game deficits. Want to see Heinola back in the lineup, but who should be benched for him? The obvious answer based on talent is Stanley, but based on play, is the real (and very uncomfortable to say out loud) answer Josh Morrissey?

In order, agree, don’t agree, and that is another debate altogether. And I’m prepared to move on when others stop telling me to f*ck off for expressing an opinion. Fair enough?

OK, let’s clear up this little spat. Someone started by saying our Speller trade was a good one. My response was that it was useless. Not good, not bad, just useless. That seemed to get a lot of people irked for one reason or another. So let me address each of you directly. MOAB - you are wrong about the trade. We did not get a 6th rounder for Speller. We got a 6th rounder for Speller AND a 6th rounder. We did not gain a pick. We moved up 4 places in a lower round so they could negotiate in private ahead of the deadline. Was he leaving us anyway? Almost certainly. Was he a sure signing in Toronto anyway? Only Speller can say for sure. If Pinball was certain he was signing then no point in swinging the deal, but if he was worried enough about market competition driving up the price to trade for the security of early negotiating rights, I would have figured the Bombers had at least a bit of leverage to work with, at least more than moving up 4 spots in the draft in the 48-52 pick range. Bigblue and Speed - As for what Calgary gained, I didn’t say it was great, which is what you are implying I said. I am saying that Walters didn’t really get anything of value, so I guess you agree with me there if Calgary’s haul doesn’t impress you. As for the 3 players vs. 1, all 3 of Calgary’s guys were headed to free agency just like Speller, so they gave up the same thing we did - early negotiating rights to guys who were gone anyway. They just parlayed their list players into more of a return than we did. Which was the point of my original post. I felt the trade was useless because in my mind we didn’t gain something for nothing, we got nothing for nothing. We were not going to lose a blue chip player at spot number 52 that we would land at spot 48. If the player were that attractive, we would snag them in any of the 5 prior rounds, or the odds were very good that if the guy we were craving was available at 48, he’d still be there at 52. I figured why make that trade at all, unless Toronto felt they needed the extra 3 days on the competition? And since they felt they did need that (and it ultimately paid off for them in a signed contract) then could we have not squeezed more out of them for a young Canadian o-lineman who has started in this league? Calgary’s subsequent trade landing 2 extra picks for their departing players showed me that Walters could have extracted more. Whether Calgary gets anything of value for those picks remains to be seen, so it may be just as useless a trade for them - but they still did better than we did in the same scenario. It is illogical to argue otherwise. Noeller - I have outlined my arguments above. So I won’t beat them to death again for you. I don’t have an axe to grind with “the best GM in the league by a mile” (whom if I recall was on the chopping block for a few posters here as recently as halftime in the West semi-final 3 games ago). But for everyone who falls at his feet, rails against anyone who offers a counter opinion, and says this was a good of great trade since we got something for nothing, I don’t think we really got anything (so it is a useless trade, not bad per se), and I felt that we had some leverage (others disagreed) and did not get all that we could have gotten. Calgary’s subsequent trade on the same circumstances for more than we got would appear to have proven me right on both counts (that we had leverage, and that we could have gotten more). All that aside, your counterpoint is “shut the actual f*ck up”. If you want to debate, then let’s debate it. If all you have is swearing at me to intimidate me off the boards, (a) you’ve made my point for me that I was right, (b) it won’t shut me up, and (c) is just plain offsides. You don’t have to agree with me - so defend your side. You don’t have to like what I say even if you can’t disagree with it, choose a better way to express it please or just ignore me on this one.

Please, everyone tell me again how great the Walters trade to Toronto to move up 4 spots in the 6th round was again for a Canadian o-lineman who we were going to lose? This seems like a better payout than that one by a good bit, and Calgary had the same “no leverage” we supposedly did.

Read the hole MTG thread, and it was word for word a copy of any Trump speech, right down to the wall to wall lies, hyperbolic America first and evil socialist rhetoric, and insults and put downs. So we have Trump 2.0, and she sounds just as moronic as him. I agree that somewhere out there is an intelligent fascist who could do real damage to that country if they got into power.

IOCchas already declared that if Olympics get put off again this summer they will simply be cancelled. Japan would be out billions of dollars with nothing to show for it. Money. Winter Olympics were getting big enough to have their own stage, and so broadcast rights could get split up rather than shared for one calendar year of Olympics per network.

Here is the cellphone video they are referencing. It is embedded in the overall story. For clarity’s sake, the shooting victim was the driver of the stolen vehicle that was involved in a police pursuit after a liquor store in Sage Creek was robbed. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/eishia-hudson-police-shooting-no-charges-1.5891819

There is part of me that wonders why she wants to get into these Twitter spats, she will only galvanize each side more. Having said that, she is fierce and articulate and goes beyond the mere”I know you are but what am I” mud-slinging And although this one borders on the childish retort, the punchline is pretty awesome.

Am I reading too much between the lines to suspect that he got banned from Facebook and Twitter, and had no where to go but back here once Amazon cut off Parler and it went offline?

But as you said, it keeps Toronto from having other teams compete and drive up the price. So they had incentive to make the deal rather than wait. I just thought it would be worth more to get that advantage. 4 spots in the 6th round is essentially nothing IMO. So if Pinball has already worked out a deal, why make this trade now, with only 4 days to the negotiation window? Clearly there was incentive to get a crack at him early. Maybe Walters could have gone to another team to start a modest bidding war. If no other interest or sense of interest, Toronto doesn’t bother with this trade. But since they saw a need to swing a deal for that extra time to themselves, Walters had an opening to leverage something. 4 spots on the 6th round seems like a whole lot of nothing to me, especially for a starting Canadian o-lineman another team is anxious to negotiate with with no other competing interests, that’s all I am saying. Who knows, maybe this is unspoken “future considerations” to complete the Collaros deal from last year, lol.

All valid points, but giving up a Canadian centre who started 13 games “last” season to move up 4 spots in the 6th round of the draft seems pretty chintzy, unless we upgrade the pick of they sign him.

Pretty useless trade to my eye. That’s a swap of 6th round picks. Who was the last 6th round pick of note for any team, much less the Bombers? Maybe the pick gets upgraded if Toronto is able to sign him.

Contract year.

Good thing Laine got traded or he’d be unhappy being replaced by Copp and pushed to the 3rd line. And memo to Jack Roslovic - Copp is showing how to be patient and take advantage of an opportunity when it presents itself rather than holding out. And there may be better teams in the North and the TV networks would love Montreal-Toronto, but a Winnipeg-Edmonton playoff series would be some seriously amazing high event hockey to watch, based on the last few years of games between the 2 clubs. Last year’s 1-0 Jets shootout win was one of the best most entertaining games I have seen live for one that had zero goals for 65 minutes.

Jets Twitter should post this pic and say this is his actual reaction.

C’mon. We were all thinking it.

So the latest Bond film is having its release delayed yet again, now to Oct. 8.

Wow, Maurice sucks. Fresh take from Goalie once again. What’s the deal, did he steal your girlfriend? Do you have a girlfriend? Or do you just sit at your keyboard finding the same old ways to ***** about a 4-1 team. I don’t care who they are playing or how they win, they are winning and in a short season these wins are more vital than ever.

I don’t see Logan Stanley getting protected or taken. DeMelo just signed for 4 years, $12 million. He, Pionk and Morrissey will be protected. Roslovic may be traded if the deal too good to pass up comes along, otherwise I see him getting exposed (even without a contract, the Jets still hold his rights) and protecting Lowry and Copp. Dependant on Laine not getting traded with the media’s help or Lowry getting into a contentious contract dispute at season’s end as a UFA, if he isn’t traded because the Jets find themselves out of the playoffs and get a great deadline offer (all hypothetical, not saying they are missing the playoffs).

Odds are that Seattle takes one of Copp, Lowry, or Roslovic.

Truth......and they are pretty damn racist.

The club gets a cut from each replica ring sold, and the money from the Grey Cup base goes back to your club and its players directly.

If you took a poll to identify the dirtiest players in hockey today, who wants to bet that the name Tkachuk would appear twice in the top three?

And on cue Brady cross checks Harkins in the back to start a scrum. Helle with a nice breakaway stop to preserve the shutout- for now.

I am really pleased to hear how many players have re-structured their contracts to keep the gang together. Hard to imagine many folks who have suffered financially during the pandemic would step up and take a 50%+ pay cut like Adam Bighill did going from $250,000 to $115,000. But also credit the Bombers for paying him his full $100,000 in bonuses in 2020 when they didn’t even have any games. Honest give and take from both sides, no shenanigans. A salute from this fan for a lot of class and understanding from all sides.