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Accepted. But in the club's history, Brock holds pretty much all the career records, and Ploen is legendary enough to have both a street and a gate and the new stadium named after him. Not saying I disagree with you about Jacobs' impact, I am just going off of what the club has always laid out as the hierarchy of QB's here. Ploen was the second player ever inducted into the Ring of Honour, Brock 5th. Jacobs was 10th. So if you are looking for anyone to unseat Ploen, the most realistic defendable option would be the QB who set all the career benchmarks for passing on the club, and the only back-to-back league MOP in club history. Others may disagree - that is why I have Jacobs on the nominees list.

When Tuttle got moved to the slotback category, he got many votes fewer than Edwards. If he couldn't beat out Edwards in the slotback voting, why would he beat him out here in the 5th receiver voting? I took the first runner-up in each of the 3 previous receiver categories.

To me it boils down to Ploen (rings) vs Brock (numbers) and no one else will be considered best ever.

So we have not surprisingly voted in Stegall and Poplawski as our starting slotbacks, and Murphy and Boyd as our wuide receivers. Boyd is an interesting case as he was barely trailing Perry Tuttle before the do-over, and was behind Nielsen early before edging ken out by one vote. The "5th Receiver" voting is now underway, so that leaves us with quarterback. This vote will pit the stats vs. the awards vs. the success. Without having researched anything, my initial list based solely on reputations and my subjective awareness of their connection to Bomber history are: Jack Jacobs (wonder if the censor monitor will block out "Indian"?), Ken Ploen, Don Jonas, Dieter Brock, Tom Clements, and Khari Jones. Also prepared to consider Matt Dunigan, but if I include him I feel obliged to also add Kevin Glenn. And if completion percentage and winning percentage mean anything, then Matt Nichols has 2 criteria to warrant inclusion, even if he has zero shot to win. So anyone who wants Dunigan in, tell me how to justify his inclusion and not Glenn or Nichols based on their Blue Bomber pedigree alone (I know Matty is everyone's favorite, but did he do enough on-field to raise him over the others?) Ansd I won't consider Grey Cup wins or appearances as the sole reason, so sorry Tom Burgess and Buck Pierce (but not really sorry Sean Salisbury). Let me know if anyone else should be added or removed.

One man's take: This is a real "apples to oranges" comparison for these 3, given the different eras and styles of play that existed and how the different positions have evolved. so I can only say all 3 are very deserving candidates for their own reasons. I suspect this will come to personal favoritism for voters. Edwards has the best numbers overall and the most 1000 yards seasons, Nielsen was his team's leading receiver the most times and his passport is a bonus, and Nicklin had the most team success and was the most "jack-of-all-trades" in filling multiple roles. I welcome testimonials for your favorites, I will make my vote anonymously and not try to influence anything, but I will say that any of these "back-ups" would be massively deserving of being starters and stars on any team in this league in any era.

Run-off vote between the top vote getters from tight end, wide receiver, and slotback who did not make the team in those positions. Here are the 3 candidates and their bios: Stats will be broken down into receptions-yards-average-longest-TDs for the career, with the best single season total for each in parentheses with the corresponding year following the career numbers. Terrance Edwards (slotback)– 114 games in 7 seasons (2007-13), 469-7200-15.4-90-46 (80 rec. in 2007, 1372 yds.-17.6 avg.-90 long-12 TDs all in 2010), 3 time divisional all-star (2007, 10, 11), 2 time CFL all-star (2007, 10), 5 times 1000+ yard season (2007, 08, 10-12), team nominee Most Outstanding Player (2010), 2 Grey Cup appearances (2007, 11), #4 club all-time in career receptions and yards Jeff Nicklin (tight end) – 54 gp in 7 seasons (1934-40), no receiving stats available, 4 time divisional all-star (1937-40), 4 Grey Cup appearances (1935, 37-39), 2 time Grey Cup champion (1935, 39) Bio: https://www.bluebombers.com/2016/11/11/lest-we-forget-the-jeff-nicklin-story/ Ken Nielsen (wide receiver) – 81 games in 6 seasons (1965-70), 280-4340-15.5-72-31 (76 rec.-1121 yds. both in 1967, 20.3 avg. in 1970, 72 long, 11 TDs both in 1966), 3 time divisional all-star (1967-69), 2 time CFL all-star (1968, 69), 1 time led league in receptions (1968), 2 times 1000+ yard season (1967, 68), team nominee Most Outstanding Player (1967), 4 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1966-69), West Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1968), CFL Most Outstanding Canadian (1968), led club in receiving 5 times (tied #2 in club history), led club in receiving 5 times (tied #2 in club history)

Trump's day so far: - may have admitted to tax fraud as an alternative to conceding that he is a fake billionaire, saying he was "entitled" and it was "sport" to not pay any taxes and manipulate the banks - deemed to have lost at least twice as much money than any other person in the US between 1985 and 1994 - #billiondollarloser #1 trending on Twitter - son is being subpoenaed by the Senate - hand-picked Attorney General found in contempt of Congress - it came out that his chief evangelical endorsement used his personal "fixer" lawyer to help cover up a sex scandal - had a court ruling in NY decide that his tax returns should be turned over to Congress - pardoned a soldier convicted of first degree murder and branded a war criminal - woke to the news of another school shooting in Colorado - had to account for China backpedalling in almost all of its trade deal with the US - watched the S & P index fall for the 3rd straight day, 24 hours after seeing the Dow close 473 points down - invoked Executive Privilege to block the release of an investigative report on him that he claims completely exonerates him, and may have abused his executive privilege in doing so (by using his power to shield himself from an investigation into him, creating possible obstruction), thus opening another door to a justifiable claim for impeachment Not Trump bashing, just reporting the facts. So how was your day, everybody? And not to brag, but I made $1.17 billion more than Donald Trump between 1985 and 1994 (now THAT's Trump bashing!)

Wrong. Trump will seek a third term, invoking the "Roosevelt" precedent and backed by the Supreme Court, or will pass the dictatorship Presidency on to his heirs, Don Jr. or Ivanka Kim Jong Trump.

No, she had it right. She said HALF of his supporters were a basket of deplorables. You know, racists, bigots, misogynists, liars, cheats, frauds. Look at some of the people at his rallies, in his business orbit, his personal staff, his Presidential appointees, his political cronies..... The other half are merely gullibles.

One man's take: James Murphy is an easy choice for best wide receiver in club history. Before Milt came along, he owned pretty much every significant club record for career or single season marks. Also made the most underrated spectacular clutch catch in CFL history to my mind, with his one-handed backwards grab between 2 defenders for a touchdown in the West Final in BC that carried us to the 1984 Grey Cup, yet no one seems to mention in the "all-time great catches" lists. Now the tricky part, for his counterpart and the runner-up who goes on to the run-off vote. Darvin Adams - The club's current leading receiver, but has never felt like the "go-to" guy (having a possession receiver in Dressler and a run-heavy offensive set hurts him) and has only 4 seasons under his belt. In the end, not enough mileage to crack my top 3. Robert Gordon - one huge season in 2000, amassing almost 1400 yards, but still that year (as in his whole career) he played second fiddle to Stegall. Also split his time between the Bombers and the Arena League for a few seasons, which shortened his games played and reduced his stats. In the end, only one 1000+ season and never led the club or league in any meaningful category, and no individual team awards. Falls short for me. Mike Holmes - the star wide receiver of the Dieter Brock years, but his numbers are not as gaudy as one would expect from a pass-happy offence like that one. Outplayed by his teammate Joe Poplawski and then Eugene Goodlow (who would be on this list but for a career-ending injury that gave him only 1.5 effective years as a Blue Bomber). I put him mid-pack in this group of 9. Bob LaRose - A favorite target on Don Jonas, but that team's offence revolved more around Mack Herron, so again a lack of "go-to guy" cred and no individual team awards lowers his stock for me. Clarence Denmark - Looking back, one of the more underrated (and given how he got cut the first time and brought back mid-season, underappreciated) Bomber receivers. Not sure if his bigger career numbers are a product of playing more years than the others, or if his lengthy playing career speaks to how consistently good he was to keep being brought back. Burst on to the scene as a rookie, but not sure he was ever viewed as the true #1 receiver on the team during his tenure. So that leaves 3 players for 2 spots (one of whom is James Murphy's teammate): Jim Thorpe - two really impressive years that rival any other receiver over that time span, regardless of position. Only Stegall, Murphy, and Wilcox had more yards in back-to-back seasons than Thorpe. Double his tenure with the same productivity and he definitely has a shot at the second spot in this group, triple it and he is a lock beside Murphy. Alas, too short a time span here to rank with the all-time best for me, but a bona fide star while he was with us. Ken Nielsen - The best receiver the club had in between its 1950's-60's and its mid 1980's dynasties. Less emphasis on the pure passing attack compared to today make his career numbers look smaller than his counterparts, and unfortunately he was saddled with some bad teams, but he was the go-to guy as evidenced by him leading the club in receiving in 5 of his 6 years here. Plus, bonus points for being a stand-out Canadian in a position usually reserved for an import. In the end, his recognition in the club's individual award nominations puts him one step higher. Jeff Boyd - Murphy's partner in crime (what a scary offence with those two as well as Poplawski and House at the slots, Clements as QB, and Reaves in the backfield - who do you key on?). The fact that he put up such big career numbers in less years offset his more limited playing career in Winnipeg, and hard to ignore 3 1000+ yardage years and the team MOP nomination. One of the great deep threats in team history. Despite the wealth of talent around him, never felt like an afterthought. As it should be, I have him and Murphy lining up together as the top 2 wide receivers on my team.

Here are the bios. Poll will run until Sunday night. Vote for 3 (two starters, and a nomination for the 5th receiver run-off vote) Stats will be broken down into receptions-yards-average-longest-TDs for the career, with the best single season total for each in parentheses with the corresponding year following the career numbers. Darvin Adams – 56 games in 4 seasons (2015-18), 249-3677-14.8-79-28 (76 rec.-1120 yds. both in 2017, 16.9 avg.-10 TDs both in 2018, 79 long in 2015), 2 time divisional all-star (2017, 18), 2 times 1000+ yard season (2017, 18) Jeff Boyd – 68 games in 5 seasons (1983-87), 283-5110-18.1-105-46 (76 rec.-1372 yds.-105 long-14 TDs all in 1985, 19.5 avg. in 1983), divisional all-star (1985), CFL all-star (1985), 3 times 1000+ yard season (1984, 85, 87), team nominee Most Outstanding Player (1985), 1 Grey Cup appearance (1984), Grey Cup champion (1984) Clarence Denmark – 116 games in 7 seasons (2011-17), 417-5478-13.1-82-31 (65 rec.-1080 yds.-16.6 avg. all in 2014, 82 long in 2011, 8 TDs in 2016), divisional all-star (2014), CFL all-star (2014), 1 time 1000+ yard season (2014), team nominee Most Outstanding Rookie (2011), 1 Grey Cup appearance (2011) Robert Gordon – 63 games in 6 seasons (1999-04), 288-4474-15.5-65-20 (89 rec.-1395 yds.-65 long-7 TDs all in 2000, 19.1 avg. in 2003), 2 time divisional all-star (1999, 00), 1 time 1000+ yard season (2000), 1 Grey Cup appearance (2001) Mike Holmes – 61 games in 6 seasons (1977-82), 244-3752-15.4-90-33 (79 rec.-1092 yds. both in 1980, 17.3 avg. in 1977, 90 long in 1978, 10 TDs in 1979 and 80), 2 time divisional all-star (1979, 80), CFL all-star (1980), 1 time led league in receptions (1980), 2 times 1000+ yard season (1979, 80) Bob LaRose – 111 games in 7 seasons (1970-76), 227-4209-18.5-73-29 (58 rec.-1080 yds. both in 1971, 20.2 avg. in 1975, 73 long in 1972, 7TDs in 1971, 73), divisional all-star (1971), CFL all-star (1971), 1 time 1000+ yard season (1971) James Murphy – 121 games in 8 seasons (1983-90), 573-9036-15.8-86-61 (116 rec.-1746 yds. both in 1986, 18.5 avg. in 1988, 86 long in 1984, 12 TDs in 1984, 86), 4 time divisional all-star (1986-89), 2 time CFL all-star (1986, 88), 1 time led league in receiving yards (1986), 1 time led league in receptions (1986), 6 times 1000+ yard season (1983, 84, 86-89), 2 times 1400+ yard season (1986, 88), 2 time team nominee Most Outstanding Player (1986, 88), West Division Most Outstanding Player (1986), CFL Most Outstanding Player (1986), 3 Grey Cup appearances (1984, 88, 90), 3 time Grey Cup champion (1984, 88, 90), 1988 Grey Cup Offensive MOP, club record single season receptions (116), #2 club all-time in career receptions, yards, receiving TDs, and 1000+ yard seasons (all behind Stegall), #2 (1746) and #8 (1409) club single season receiving yardage totals, led club in receiving 5 times (tied #2 in club history), CFL Hall of Fame Ken Nielsen – 81 games in 6 seasons (1965-70), 280-4340-15.5-72-31 (76 rec.-1121 yds. both in 1967, 20.3 avg. in 1970, 72 long, 11 TDs both in 1966), 3 time divisional all-star (1967-69), 2 time CFL all-star (1968, 69), 1 time led league in receptions (1968), 2 times 1000+ yard season (1967, 68), team nominee Most Outstanding Player (1967), 4 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1966-69), West Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1968), CFL Most Outstanding Canadian (1968), led club in receiving 5 times (tied #2 in club history), led club in receiving 5 times (tied #2 in club history) Jim Thorpe – 32 games in 2 seasons (1971-72), 140-2696-19.3-97-20 (70 rec. in 1971 and 72, 1436 yds.-20.5 avg. both in 1971, 97 long- 11 TDs both in 1972), 2 time divisional all-star (1971, 72), CFL all-star (1971), 1 time led league in receiving yards (1971), 2 times led league in receptions (1971, 72), 2 times 1000+ yard season, 1 time 1400+ yard season

One man's take: First off, if Milt Stegall is not unanimously selected for one of these spots, I am going to apply to be a moderator on this site for the sole purpose of banning whoever did not vote for him for the entire football season. He is at the start of any discussion for the greatest Bomber player of all time. Joe Poplawski should be a solid choice for the second spot. Retiring at only 28 years of age, he was as dependable as they come, and one of the all-time great Canadians to ever play in the CFL. Had he hung around for another 5-6 years, who knows where his stat line may have ended up. But his consistency and league recognition in all star noms and individual awards make him another obvious choice. So here is where it gets interesting - the lone spot for the run-off vote as a 5th receiver. Odds are good that the third place finisher here will win out over the tight end and wide receiver options. Breaking down the remaining 7: Paterson - reliable, but ordinary numbers compared to the others. If his passport were American, his average of 500 yards and 3 TDs a year would have him playing a back-up role. Alphin - one huge year scoring-wise, but otherwise decent but not overwhelming numbers, and was overshadowed by the other Gerald and David Williams in the 1990's. Won't make the cut for me. Scott - honestly, was just starting to break out when he left for the Eskimos, so we never got to see his very best in a blue and gold uniform. Not enough mileage as a Bomber to get my vote as the alternate That leaves 4 for one spot - Tuttle - played alongside Murphy and put up some very impressive numbers with the club, was maybe the best deep threat outside of Stegall the club has seen. Because of Murphy, seemed like a second banana, but had some very strong stats. And as far I can verify, only 1 of 2 Blue Bombers ever to grace the cover of Sports Illustrated (when he played with Clemson - the other is Tom Clements in his days with Notre Dame. And I stand to be corrected but I do not see from my searches that Bud Grant ever made the cover). Still, only one all-star nod and no individual club award nominations, so I'm going to leave him just outside the top 3. House - one of the great clutch possession receivers the Bombers have ever had. Prior to Milt, had the club record for consecutive games with a catch. Had to play in the shadow of Poplawski at the other slot, but more than held his own. Still, did not reach the same heights statistically as the other 2, and was the 4th best receiver on his own team (behind Pop, Murph, and Boyd). His passport nudges him just ahead of Tuttle and gives him a very strong #5 ranking overall for me. Wilcox - the key cog in the Matt Dunigan offence of the mid-90's, and he put together 2 massive years in 93 and 94, culminating with a record breaking season of 111 catches and 1624 yards in '94, both records for a Canadian player until Ben Cahoon and Dave Sapunjis came along and squeaked past him. And an acrimonious departure when he was cut due to lack of productivity and proclaimed through the media that he would still play and prove the backstabbers wrong (turns out the club was right with their timing, however). Edwards - So anyone nicknamed "baby Milt" has some serious street cred right off the hop. And Edwards had the numbers to back it up. Was 29 yards away from being the league leading receiver in '07, and only 9 yards away in '10, but he never led the league. But 5 1000 yard seasons, 2 all-star nods, a team MOP nod and top 4 all time with the club in yards and catches clinches it for me. Although Wilcox's ceiling was higher by a good bit at their best, Edwards was consistently the club's best pass catcher for a longer period of time. One of the true underrated stars of the CFL when he played.

Here are the bios: Stats will be broken down into receptions-yards-average-longest-TDs for the career, with the best single season total for each in parentheses with the corresponding year following the career numbers. Gerald Alphin – 52 games in 4 seasons (1992-95), 186-2970-16.0-73-24 (73 rec.-18 TDs both in 1994, 1052 yds. in 1993, 19.5 avg.-73 long both in 1992), 1 time 1000+ yard season (1993), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1992, 93), #2 club all-time in single season receiving TDs Terrence Edwards – 114 games in 7 seasons (2007-13), 469-7200-15.4-90-46 (80 rec. in 2007, 1372 yds.-17.6 avg.-90 long-12 TDs all in 2010), 3 time divisional all-star (2007, 10, 11), 2 time CFL all-star (2007, 10), 5 times 1000+ yard season (2007, 08, 10-12), team nominee Most Outstanding Player (2010), 2 Grey Cup appearances (2007, 11), #4 club all-time in career receptions and yards Rick House – 141 games in 9 seasons (1979-84, 89-91), 385-6266-16.3-81-46 (63 rec. in 1982 and 90, 1102 yds.-81 long-10 TDS all in 1981, 19.5 avg. in 1983), divisional all-star (1990), 2 times 1000+ yard season (1981, 82), 3 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1982, 90, 91), West Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1982), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1984, 90), 2 time Grey Cup champion (1984, 90) Gord Paterson – 86 games in 6 seasons (1974-79), 232-2985-12.9-58-15 (69 rec. in 1978, 882 yds.-58 long both in 1977, 16.1 avg. in 1975, 5 TDs in 1976 and 77), team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1977), West Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1977) Joe Poplawski – 129 games in 9 seasons (1978-86), 549-8341-15.2-68-48 (84 rec. in 1981, 1271 yds. in 1981 and 85, 16.9 avg. in 1985, 68 long in 1980, 8 TDs in 1978, 81, 83,and 86), 5 time divisional all-star (1978, 81, 84-86), 5 time CFL all-star (1978, 81, 84-86), 1 time led league in receptions (1978), 3 times 1000+ yard season (and 2 yards shy twice and 29 yards shy a third time), 6 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1978, 80, 81, 84-86), 5 time West Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1978, 81, 84-86), 2 time CFL Most Outstanding Canadian (1981, 86), team nominee Most Outstanding Rookie (1978), West Division Most Outstanding Rookie (1978), CFL Most Outstanding Rookie (1978), 1 Grey Cup appearances (1984, Grey Cup champion (1984), #3 club all-time in career receptions and yards, #4 club all-time in receiving TDs, CFL Hall of Fame Tom Scott – 59 games in 4 seasons (1974-77), 175-2988-17.1-98-27 (66 rec.-1079 yds.-98 long-10 TDs all in 1977, 18.9 avg. in 1975), 2 time divisional all-star (1974, 77), CFL all-star (1977), 1 time 1000+ yard season, team nominee Most Outstanding Rookie (1974), West Division Most Outstanding Rookie (1974), CFL Hall of Fame Milt Stegall – 199 games in 14 seasons (1995-08), 855-15187-17.8-105-144 (106 rec.-1896 yds.-23 TDs all in 2002, 26.5 avg.-105 long both in 1997), 8 time divisional all-star (1997, 99-02, 05-07), 6 time CFL all-star (1997, 00-02, 05, 06), 2 times led league in receiving yards (1997, 02), 1 time led league in receptions (2002), 10 times 1000+ yard season (1997, 99-07), 3 times 1400+ yard season (1997, 00, 02), 2 times 1600+ yard season (1997, 02), 3 time team nominee Most Outstanding Player (1997, 00, 02), West Division Most Outstanding Player (2002), CFL Most Outstanding Player (2002), 2 Grey Cup appearances (2001, 07), club #7 all-time in seasons played, #5 in games played, #3 in career scoring, #3 in all-purpose yards, club records for career and single season receptions/yards/TDs/receiving TDs, career yards from scrimmage, career 1000 yard seasons and consecutive 1000 yard seasons (#2 all time in the CFL) , career 200 yard games (3), and single season receiving avg. and consecutive games with a TD (8), has #1, #4 and #5 club single season yardage totals and #2, #4 and #5 club single game yardage totals, CFL record for career and single season TDs and receiving TDs, #3 CFL all-time in receiving yards, CFL Hall of Fame Perry Tuttle – 88 games in 6 seasons (1986-91), 321-5817-18.1-94-41 (83 rec.-1373 yds. both in 1986, 20.8 avg. in 1990, 94 long in 1989, 8 TDs in 1986, 87, 88), divisional all-star (1987), CFL all-star (1987), 2 times 1000+ yard season (1986, 87), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1988, 90), 2 time Grey Cup champion (1988, 90) Gerald Wilcox – 57 games in 5 seasons (1992-96), 299-4608-15.4-75-30 (111 rec.-1624 yds.-13 TDs all in 1994, 17.6 avg. in 1992, 75 long in 1993), 2 time divisional all-star (1993, 94), CFL all-star (1994), 3 times 1000+ yard season, 1 time 1600+ yard season, team nominee Most Outstanding Player (1994), 3 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1993-95), 2 time East Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1993-94), CFL Most Outstanding Canadian (1994), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1992, 93), #3 club all time single season receiving yards, #2 club all time single season receptions

I have made the edits, scrubbed the vote totals, and have asked the mods to re-open the poll with a new closing date of Sunday night. If you voted before, please re-submit your vote as the vote totals have been wiped out. As for the "criticism", I took no offence, and I do not feel that any apology is necessary, let's be clear on that point. I can honestly say I am frustrated of two levels. The smaller level is that when I posted the nominees in the nominations post a few weeks back, I asked for any corrections then, and in fact created a third category for tight ends as a result. It would have been nice to catch this error in these two categories before I put out the formal poll. But not angry at anyone else for pointing out my error. My bigger frustration is with myself for the mistake in the first place, I'm a bit OCD with these things and don't want to make mistakes with it. Had the error had no consequence, I may have opted to let it slide (sometimes a lesser name is floated out to be on the list, but suppose if Alexis Serna was touted as an all-time Bomber punter - no one is going to miss voting for him where Cameron is a lock and only Jon Ryan has any shot of secondary consideration, so I wouldn't bother to change that poll), but here there would be an impact. Thorpe was not getting any votes at slot but might get some at the less stacked wide receivers position, and Tuttle was actually in the #2 spot at wide receiver in early polling, and people might rank him differently up against the slots. So I feel it is proper to have a correct poll in place in this scenario. Hopefully this won't cause frustration with those who already voted. Sometimes democracy is better served by accepting flawed results than trying to correct a result with a do-over where a change in the result can look suspicious and "fixed", but we are not electing world leaders here, so keep the comments and votes coming about your favourites in each category when we get the polling re-opened.

I've made the edits, and have made a request to one of the mods to re-open the polling (even after edits I don't have that ability), so once the voting is re-opened I will kindly ask those who voted before to re-vote - everyone will start at zero again and the poll will now run until Sunday night.

Voting closed while I correct the player lists and vote totals. We will have a do-over with Thorpe in with the wide receivers and Tuttle with the slots.

OK, so Thorpe was listed as a split end in his all star year, which became the pre-cursor to the wide receiver spot. Tuttle was listed as a wide receiver in the sites I sourced, but the CFL does not list the "slotback" spot on its all star teams, and he did line up inside in the videos I checked. So I will re-submit both lists with those changes, and have closed the voting. Once I figure out how to scrub the votes completely and start fresh, I will ask everyone to re-vote entirely so that Tuttle and Thorpe can be compared to their proper peer groups. Sorry for the mix-up, thanks for the audit. I will notify when the voting opens up again for both categories.

One man's take: First off, if Milt Stegall is not unanimously selected for one of these spots, I am going to apply to be a moderator on this site for the sole purpose of banning whoever did not vote for him for the entire football season. He is at the start of any discussion for the greatest Bomber player of all time. Joe Poplawski should be a solid choice for the second spot. Retiring at only 28 years of age, he was as dependable as they come, and one of the all-time great Canadians to ever play in the CFL. Had he hung around for another 5-6 years, who knows where his stat line may have ended up. But his consistency and league recognition in all star noms and individual awards make him another obvious choice. So here is where it gets interesting - the lone spot for the run-off vote as a 5th receiver. Odds are good that the third place finisher here will win out over the tight end and wide receiver options. Breaking down the remaining 7: Paterson - reliable, but ordinary numbers compared to the others. If his passport were American, his average of 500 yards and 3 TDs a year would have him playing a back-up role. Alphin - one huge year scoring-wise, but otherwise decent but not overwhelming numbers, and was overshadowed by the other Gerald and David Williams in the 1990's. Won't make the cut for me. Scott - honestly, was just starting to break out when he left for the Eskimos, so we never got to see his very best in a blue and gold uniform. Not enough mileage as a Bomber to get my vote as the alternate That leaves 4 for one spot - Tuttle - played alongside Murphy and put up some very impressive numbers with the club, was maybe the best deep threat outside of Stegall the club has seen. Because of Murphy, seemed like a second banana, but had some very strong stats. And as far I can verify, only 1 of 2 Blue Bombers ever to grace the cover of Sports Illustrated (when he played with Clemson - the other is Tom Clements in his days with Notre Dame. And I stand to be corrected but I do not see from my searches that Bud Grant ever made the cover). Still, only one all-star nod and no individual club award nominations, so I'm going to leave him just outside the top 3. House - one of the great clutch possession receivers the Bombers have ever had. Prior to Milt, had the club record for consecutive games with a catch. Had to play in the shadow of Poplawski at the other slot, but more than held his own. Still, did not reach the same heights statistically as the other 2, and was the 4th best receiver on his own team (behind Pop, Murph, and Boyd). His passport nudges him just ahead of Tuttle and gives him a very strong #5 ranking overall for me. Wilcox - the key cog in the Matt Dunigan offence of the mid-90's, and he put together 2 massive years in 93 and 94, culminating with a record breaking season of 111 catches and 1624 yards in '94, both records for a Canadian player until Ben Cahoon and Dave Sapunjis came along and squeaked past him. And an acrimonious departure when he was cut due to lack of productivity and proclaimed through the media that he would still play and prove the backstabbers wrong (turns out the club was right with their timing, however). Edwards - So anyone nicknamed "baby Milt" has some serious street cred right off the hop. And Edwards had the numbers to back it up. Was 29 yards away from being the league leading receiver in '07, and only 9 yards away in '10, but he never led the league. But 5 1000 yard seasons, 2 all-star nods, a team MOP nod and top 4 all time with the club in yards and catches clinches it for me. Although Wilcox's ceiling was higher by a good bit at their best, Edwards was consistently the club's best pass catcher for a longer period of time. One of the true underrated stars of the CFL when he played.

Here are the bios: Stats will be broken down into receptions-yards-average-longest-TDs for the career, with the best single season total for each in parentheses with the corresponding year following the career numbers. Gerald Alphin – 52 games in 4 seasons (1992-95), 186-2970-16.0-73-24 (73 rec.-18 TDs both in 1994, 1052 yds. in 1993, 19.5 avg.-73 long both in 1992), 1 time 1000+ yard season (1993), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1992, 93), #2 club all-time in single season receiving TDs Terrence Edwards – 114 games in 7 seasons (2007-13), 469-7200-15.4-90-46 (80 rec. in 2007, 1372 yds.-17.6 avg.-90 long-12 TDs all in 2010), 3 time divisional all-star (2007, 10, 11), 2 time CFL all-star (2007, 10), 5 times 1000+ yard season (2007, 08, 10-12), team nominee Most Outstanding Player (2010), 2 Grey Cup appearances (2007, 11), #4 club all-time in career receptions and yards Rick House – 141 games in 9 seasons (1979-84, 89-91), 385-6266-16.3-81-46 (63 rec. in 1982 and 90, 1102 yds.-81 long-10 TDS all in 1981, 19.5 avg. in 1983), divisional all-star (1990), 2 times 1000+ yard season (1981, 82), 3 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1982, 90, 91), West Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1982), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1984, 90), 2 time Grey Cup champion (1984, 90) Gord Paterson – 86 games in 6 seasons (1974-79), 232-2985-12.9-58-15 (69 rec. in 1978, 882 yds.-58 long both in 1977, 16.1 avg. in 1975, 5 TDs in 1976 and 77), team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1977), West Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1977) Joe Poplawski – 129 games in 9 seasons (1978-86), 549-8341-15.2-68-48 (84 rec. in 1981, 1271 yds. in 1981 and 85, 16.9 avg. in 1985, 68 long in 1980, 8 TDs in 1978, 81, 83,and 86), 5 time divisional all-star (1978, 81, 84-86), 5 time CFL all-star (1978, 81, 84-86), 1 time led league in receptions (1978), 3 times 1000+ yard season (and 2 yards shy twice and 29 yards shy a third time), 6 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1978, 80, 81, 84-86), 5 time West Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1978, 81, 84-86), 2 time CFL Most Outstanding Canadian (1981, 86), team nominee Most Outstanding Rookie (1978), West Division Most Outstanding Rookie (1978), CFL Most Outstanding Rookie (1978), 1 Grey Cup appearances (1984, Grey Cup champion (1984), #3 club all-time in career receptions and yards, #4 club all-time in receiving TDs, CFL Hall of Fame Tom Scott – 59 games in 4 seasons (1974-77), 175-2988-17.1-98-27 (66 rec.-1079 yds.-98 long-10 TDs all in 1977, 18.9 avg. in 1975), 2 time divisional all-star (1974, 77), CFL all-star (1977), 1 time 1000+ yard season, team nominee Most Outstanding Rookie (1974), West Division Most Outstanding Rookie (1974), CFL Hall of Fame Milt Stegall – 199 games in 14 seasons (1995-08), 855-15187-17.8-105-144 (106 rec.-1896 yds.-23 TDs all in 2002, 26.5 avg.-105 long both in 1997), 8 time divisional all-star (1997, 99-02, 05-07), 6 time CFL all-star (1997, 00-02, 05, 06), 2 times led league in receiving yards (1997, 02), 1 time led league in receptions (2002), 10 times 1000+ yard season (1997, 99-07), 3 times 1400+ yard season (1997, 00, 02), 2 times 1600+ yard season (1997, 02), 3 time team nominee Most Outstanding Player (1997, 00, 02), West Division Most Outstanding Player (2002), CFL Most Outstanding Player (2002), 2 Grey Cup appearances (2001, 07), club #7 all-time in seasons played, #5 in games played, #3 in career scoring, #3 in all-purpose yards, club records for career and single season receptions/yards/TDs/receiving TDs, career yards from scrimmage, career 1000 yard seasons and consecutive 1000 yard seasons (#2 all time in the CFL) , career 200 yard games (3), and single season receiving avg. and consecutive games with a TD (8), has #1, #4 and #5 club single season yardage totals and #2, #4 and #5 club single game yardage totals, CFL record for career and single season TDs and receiving TDs, #3 CFL all-time in receiving yards, CFL Hall of Fame Perry Tuttle – 88 games in 6 seasons (1986-91), 321-5817-18.1-94-41 (83 rec.-1373 yds. both in 1986, 20.8 avg. in 1990, 94 long in 1989, 8 TDs in 1986, 87, 88), divisional all-star (1987), CFL all-star (1987), 2 times 1000+ yard season (1986, 87), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1988, 90), 2 time Grey Cup champion (1988, 90) Gerald Wilcox – 57 games in 5 seasons (1992-96), 299-4608-15.4-75-30 (111 rec.-1624 yds.-13 TDs all in 1994, 17.6 avg. in 1992, 75 long in 1993), 2 time divisional all-star (1993, 94), CFL all-star (1994), 3 times 1000+ yard season, 1 time 1600+ yard season, team nominee Most Outstanding Player (1994), 3 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1993-95), 2 time East Division Most Outstanding Canadian (1993-94), CFL Most Outstanding Canadian (1994), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1992, 93), #3 club all time single season receiving yards, #2 club all time single season receptions

Attempt repeal of Affordable Care Act Muslim ban Declaring media "the enemy of the people" and "fake news" to discredit their coverage of his actions Calling on sports owners to fire black athlete protesters who peacefully exercise their First Amendment Rights Stacking courts with conservative judges who are on record seeking to overturn the binding Supreme Court decision on legalized abortion De-regulation of big business Tax cuts for the top 1% Openly discuss top secret intel with foreign powers Discredit and disregard his own national intelligence agency in front of the media in the presence of a hostile foreign leader Unilaterally pulling out of multi-National trade pacts Unilaterally pulling out of Global environmental pacts Appointing as head of the EPA a climate change denier Appointing as Secretary of Education a person who wants to privatize all education Appoint family members with no prior political experience to senior advisory positions, even after they could not get security clearance Fire FBI directors with oversight powers over him because of investigations involving him Separate children from parents and place them in holding camps (or cages if you are so inclined) with no record keeping to re-unite them later) Just off the top of my head.

Oh, please. Porn star? Get over yourself! ;-)

I had a tough time splitting hairs with the final three of Boyd, Nielsen and Tuttle for that second spot. And Denmark and Holmes just a tier below them. Competitive group to vote on, Slotback will be much more clear cut.

Working on the slotback bios now.

Bomber accomplishments only, which I established primarily on the basis of Geroy Simon's career being so BC-heavy, so he will not be on the list. Likewise, Jackson had a game for the ages with his 307 yard performance in Dunigan's record-setting game (and he still did not crack 1000 yards that year, and half of his total TDs came from that one game), but overall he was not in the top class of Bomber receivers in his 2 seasons here. He put up much bigger numbers in BC as well.

One man's take: James Murphy is an easy choice for best wide receiver in club history. Before Milt came along, he owned pretty much every significant club record for career or single season marks. Also made the most underrated spectacular clutch catch in CFL history to my mind, with his one-handed backwards grab between 2 defenders for a touchdown in the West Final in BC that carried us to the 1984 Grey Cup, yet no one seems to mention in the "all-time great catches" lists. Now the tricky part, for his counterpart and the runner-up who goes on to the run-off vote. Darvin Adams - The club's current leading receiver, but has never felt like the "go-to" guy (having a possession receiver in Dressler and a run-heavy offensive set hurts him) and has only 4 seasons under his belt. In the end, not enough mileage to crack my top 3. Robert Gordon - one huge season in 2000, amassing almost 1400 yards, but still that year (as in his whole career) he played second fiddle to Stegall. Also split his time between the Bombers and the Arena League for a few seasons, which shortened his games played and reduced his stats. In the end, only one 1000+ season and never led the club or league in any meaningful category, and no individual team awards. Falls short for me. Mike Holmes - the star wide receiver of the Dieter Brock years, but his numbers are not as gaudy as one would expect from a pass-happy offence like that one. Outplayed by his teammate Joe Poplawski and then Eugene Goodlow (who would be on this list but for a career-ending injury that gave him only 1.5 effective years as a Blue Bomber). I put him mid-pack in this group of 9. Bob LaRose - A favorite target on Don Jonas, but that team's offence revolved more around Mack Herron, so again a lack of "go-to guy" cred and no individual team awards lowers his stock for me. Clarence Denmark - Looking back, one of the more underrated (and given how he got cut the first time and brought back mid-season, underappreciated) Bomber receivers. Not sure if his bigger career numbers are a product of playing more years than the others, or if his lengthy playing career speaks to how consistently good he was to keep being brought back. Burst on to the scene as a rookie, but not sure he was ever viewed as the true #1 receiver on the team during his tenure. So that leaves 3 players for 2 spots (two of whom are James Murphy teammates): Jim Thorpe - two really impressive years that rival any other receiver over that time span, regardless of position. Only Stegall, Murphy, and Wilcox had more yards in back-to-back seasons than Thorpe. Double his tenure with the same productivity and he definitely has a shot at the second spot in this group, triple it and he is a lock beside Murphy. Alas, too short a time span here to rank with the all-time best for me, but a bona fide star while he was with us. Ken Nielsen - The best receiver the club had in between its 1950's-60's and its mid 1980's dynasties. Less emphasis on the pure passing attack compared to today make his career numbers look smaller than his counterparts, and unfortunately he was saddled with some bad teams, but he was the go-to guy as evidenced by him leading the club in receiving in 5 of his 6 years here. Plus, bonus points for being a stand-out Canadian in a position usually reserved for an import. In the end, his recognition in the club's individual award nominations puts him one step higher. Jeff Boyd - Murphy's partner in crime (what a scary offence with those two as well as Poplawski and House at the slots, Clements as QB, and Reaves in the backfield - who do you key on?). The fact that he put up such big career numbers in less years offset his more limited playing career in Winnipeg, and hard to ignore 3 1000+ yardage years and the team MOP nomination. One of the great deep threats in team history. Despite the wealth of talent around him, never felt like an afterthought. As it should be, I have him and Murphy lining up together as the top 2 wide receivers on my team.