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One man's take: Not sure if any position in football has refined itself as much as the place kicker in the last 30 years. If we are to simply look at these kickers against each other, obviously the more recent kickers will win out, because the precision of the craft is better now than ever. So to have a semblance of cross-generational fairness, one should look at these kickers as compared to their contemporaries at the time as a factor. Having said that, overall skill does matter, and the kicker is one position where pure physical size, speed and strength has not increased exponentially like at other positions. And because the kicking game is so cutthroat now (can't think of another position where one mistake in one game puts you on the chopping block like it does for a missed field goal to lose the game), longevity certainly should be factored in. So looking at the list, my quick notes on each player are: Hajrullahu - I will discount him just so I don't have to spell that last name again. But seriously, one very good year followed by a big drop off that led to him being replaced, and one year won't cut it as an all-timer. James - You don't think of his kicking when you think of his contributions to the team. It would seem like kicking was an afterthought in those days, and you just found a good athlete was starred at another position who volunteered to kick as well and let them do it (the Poplawski or Lankford philosophy). Not a specialist, so I will not place him at the top. Jonas - For the same reason as James, his contribution is greater at another position, so I will withhold my vote here and consider him in another category. Kabat - Sadly I have no stats for this gentleman, and have no video of his efforts, so I can`t even say if kicking was all he did to earn a Hall of Fame spot. But given the paucity of total points per games played, it seems clear that the kicking game was not as essential to scoring as it is today. Still, big marks for his all-star status and Grey Cup rings. Korchak - Probably a good example of the evolution of the kicking game from the 1950`s to today. Those numbers pale in comparison to the precision of today`s fleet of kickers, but he did his job well enough for 6 years. Again, lower point totals suggest less of a reliance on the kicking component than today`s breed. Palardy - his high percentage suggests a reliability that few others could offer, but he was replaced by one year wonder Lirim H. while he still could, kick, so he was second best to another on this list. Also, I recall his leg strength being somewhat less than desirable, so his high percentage could in some way have been elevated by not trying much outside of 45 yards. No better than 4th on my list Ruoff - It`s almost laughable that a guy with a 60% career average and a career best of 75% was considered a great kicker back in the day. Such is the progress this position has made. But a very strong leg and he pulled double duty. Again, docked due to his criminal charges which hastened his departure, and the fact that his replacement was all of 5`6`` and was much better for a longer time. Serna - deceptively big power for a tiny man, and, like Lirim H., had one strong year which elevated his overall numbers. But the lasting image I have of him is a picture of him being consoled by Richard Harris at the half after he missed yet another short field goal in his final season. Not enough staying power to hit the top spot. That leaves me with 3 contenders: "Lefty" - Why do I feel like I should start this analysis with "I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him"? Westwood ( or West-wide to many) will be reviled like Bill Buckner or Steve Bartman, seen as the scapegoat for all the failures of this club for the past 29 years, all because of one game. And yet he was the longest tenured player, much less kicker, of all-time on this club for anyone not named Cameron. All-time leading scorer, 17 club records, and not all of them just because of longevity, 5 division and 3 league scoring titles, even scored a touchdown on a fake field goal. And believe it or not, outside of the unforgiveable 2001 Grey Cup, he was incredibly reliable in the playoffs, going 8/10 overall in divisional playoff games, and 7/8 in his other Grey Cups (his only miss was a blocked kick). He was clutch at game's end too, clinching the 2000 semi in Hamilton on a last play field goal, and to my memory kicking the longest game winning last play field goal in club history with a 55 yard bomb against the 'Riders. And yet, while most ignore Charlie Roberts walkout that ended the 12 game winning streak in '01, and his pouting which led to a fundamental shift in the spread offence to make him the focus at season's end which bogged down the offence, and his drunken escapades the night before the big game, it is all Westwood's fault, and he will get no votes I suspect in this voting because of it. That's a shame. Granted, he was flaky (boxer, tap dancer, ballet, musician were some of his side hobbies), and he was a bit of a loud personality, which would look bad on him if he struggled, but big points for inventing the "Banjo pickin' inbreds" line which has spawned an annual football pilgrimage, a goofy trophy and a nice charity donation to boot. Pretty neat legacy. Maybe once the club gets the gorilla off its back and hoists Lord Earl Gray's mug, people will soften on him. Even one ring on his finger I say puts him in contention to top this list. "The Hammer" - I remember reading how Kennerd's 80% season in 1983 was akin to Ted Williams' .400 batting average at the time. That seems comical in today's perfection-based standard of kicking, but at the time it was a remarkable feat. Again, such is the evolution of the position. Kennerd had a few duds in his career too, and blew more than a few easy kicks that cost the team games in the regular season and the playoffs. He was Westwood before Westwood, and a big scapegoat for a while. But credit where credit is due, he was money in the biggest game of all. In 1984, he was 4/4 in field goals and 5/5 in converts on the hockey rink that was Commonwealth Stadium that day, and because of the slippery conditions and hard field, he knew his kickoffs would not bounce, so he coffin-kicked them all day long, pinning the Ticats deep on every possession. Probably should have won Most Outstanding Canadian player on that day. In 1988, everyone talks about Cameron and the mastery of the wind, but Kennerd kicked in the same conditions, and after having gone 8/9 in the other playoff games, he went 4/5 and added a convert while his counterpart Lui Passaglia went 1/3 in a one point Bomber win. In 1990 Kennerd booted the Bombers in to the big game with a last play 35 yard field goal against the Argos, and then went 2/2 in that Grey Cup massacre in addition to 6/6 in converts. That reliability in the big moments puts him at #2 for me. "The Lock" - Rarely have kicker signings been as feted as Medlock's original contract and he re-upping before this season, but that is how important he is to this club. He made a case for team MVP in his first season, carrying the club many games when all they could do was kick field goals. Went 7/7 on three separate occasions (tying the club record for most in a game each time). Makes the new 32 yard convert look as easy as the old 12 yard effort, only missing once in his 3 seasons here. A cannon for a leg, and he is quickly re-writing the special teams record book. We have 3 more seasons to enjoy his productivity, but he has already planted himself atop the mountain. Could playoff failure drop him off the summit? Perhaps, but for now he stands on the top rung.

Of the big 3 "name" receivers (Chris Williams, Derel Walker, Namaan Roosevelt) still out there, each has his drawbacks, but I see the best upside with Walker. Has been beat up the last 2 years, so injury risk is there, but he is head and shoulders above the other 2 IMO. Williams is 3 years removed from his last impact year, even his return numbers are down, but if we are in need of a return threat he might fit the bill if cheap enough. Roosevelt I don't mind taking a chance on, again if he comes cheaper than the other 2. All depends on how he has recovered. Any chance Chris Rainey could be converted from RB to receiver? With all of the Lions signings and Jeremiah Johnson and Tyrell Sutton there now (although both of them unsigned too) he would seem to be in need of a home, and he would give us a threat at kick returner we haven't had in a long time.

The twitter report I saw said the Bombers offered $200K and BC was going to offer upwards of $250K. EDIT: At least Chungh's camp was asking for $250K, and since he signed with BC, although I don't have definitive proof, I'm guessing they came close to his asking price if he signed that quickly.

So if we went all in on Reilly and got him for $700K (or $750K given that he wanted to go with Hervey and we'd have to up the ante to pry him away), would you have done that if it cost us a chance to sign Bighill and Bryant on top of losing Loffler, Santos-Knox, Chungh, and not get in on Jefferson, just as an example. QB is the most important position, but no team has won with just a great QB with nothing around him. I can remember hearing ad nauseum on this board how fluky a QB Reilly was last year, just throwing up prayers and using his tall receiving corps to go get 50/50 balls all the time, until teams figured out his schtick late and he was exposed as the Esks fell out of the playoffs.. Now he walks on water and we are suckers for not jumping into the bidding war at the sake of the rest of our team, and our starting QB who is 30-13 as a starter since 2016 is a dud? God, the gnashing of teeth on this board makes me want to puke sometimes. What are we, Riderfans? There, I feel better now.

If we did, it would mean a home game for the division final and a free pass to the Grey Cup instead of a battle for third place in the West.

Here are the penalties for violating the CFL salary cap. "For the first $100,000 over the cap, the fine is the equivalent of the amount by which the limit has been exceeded. For any amount over $100,000, penalties range from a minimum of a $25,000 fine and the loss of one second-round draft pick to a maximum of a $250,000 fine and the loss of three draft picks." Given that the Lions have already traded away picks to the point that they don't pick until 24th this year, do you think they are really deterred by these penalties?

Well, at least we now know Walters wasn't tampering and actually respected the deadline.

Maybe set a percentage limit (like 80%) that you can spend to the cap before the season starts, so that you can accommodate mid-season changes due to injury or in-season signings, with every salary counting even if you cut the veteran player mid-season.

In 2013 the Roughriders went over the cap, were fined just over $17,000 for it, were stuck with a bunch of back loaded contracts (otherwise they would have been way over the cap and lost draft picks too) that led to a 3-15 season in 2015. Oh, and they won the Grey Cup at home in 2013 and generated a $9 million profit for the game, and $10.4 million overall for that year. Given the meagre penalties in place for cap violation, the ability to instantly re-build your team, and the profit generated from a Grey Cup winning season, why wouldn't EVERY team violate the cap? If you want to prevent cap abuse, then nullify contracts at the outset if they create a situation that the team goes over.

Here are the bios: *statistics incomplete, best I could find with documentation Lirim Hajrullahu – 35 games in 2 seasons (2014-15), 46/53 converts (86.8% - best 96.9% in 2014), 62/78 FG (79.5% - best 87.0% in 2014: club #2 all-time), 5 FG singles, long 53, 123 KO, 7754 yds., 63.0 avg. (best 63.3 avg. in 2015), 5 KO singles, long 95, 250 pts. (best 159 in 2014), led Western Division with 159 pts. in 2014 (club rookie record) Gerry James – 145 games in 11 seasons (1952-62), kicked from 1957-62, 116/146 converts (79.5% - best 87.2% in 1962), 35/66 FG (53.0% - best 66.7% in 1957-58), 17 FG singles, long 29*, 151 KO, 8246 yds., 54.6 avg. (best 60.4 avg. in 1962), 2 KO singles, long 86, 240 pts. (best 86 in 1962 – had 131 in 1957 including TDs), 4 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1954, 55, 57, 60), 2 time CFL Most Outstanding Canadian (1954, 57), divisional all-star 1955, 57, coaches all-star 1958, led Western Conference in scoring 1957, 60, 6 Grey Cup appearances (1953, 57-59, 61, 62), 4 time grey Cup champion (1958, 59, 61, 62), CFL Hall of Fame Don Jonas – 54 games in 4 seasons (1971-74), 97/106 converts (91.5% - best 93.8% in 1972), 38/75 FG (50.7% - best 66.7% in 1972), 20 FG singles, long 42*, 9 KO, 521 yds., 57.9 avg. (best 57.9 avg. in 1971), 0 KO singles, long 90, 231 pts. (best 97 in 1971 – had 121 that year including TDs), 2 time team nominee Most Outstanding Player(1971, 73), CFL Most Outstanding Player 1971, 2 time divisional and CFL all-star (1971, 72), led CFL in scoring in 1971 Greg Kabat – 44* games in 8 seasons (1933-40), 84* pts. (best 33* in 1939), 4 time divisional all-star (1934, 38-40), 4 Grey Cup appearances (1935, 37-39), 2 time Grey Cup champion (1935, 39), CFL Hall of Fame Trevor Kennerd – 187 games in 12 seasons (1980-91), 509/511 converts (99.6% - best 100% ten times), 394/592 FG (66.6% - best 80.0% in 1983), 131 FG singles, long 55, 867 KO, 48657 yds., 56.1 avg. (best 58.4 avg. in 1982), 18 KO singles, long 95, 1840 pts. (best 198 in 1985 – CFL record at that time), 3 time divisional all-star (1981, 83, 85), 2 time CFL all-star (1981, 85), led club in scoring 11 times, 2 time CFL scoring leader (1981, 85), #2 all time in club scoring, club record 9 converts in one game, club record 7 field goals in one game, 3 Grey Cup appearances and 3 time champion (1984, 88, 90) Bud Korchak – 82 games in 6 seasons (1949-54), 76/96 converts (79.2% - best 93.5% in 1953), 17/35 FG (48.6% - best 66.7% in 1952), 10 FG singles, long 44*, 155 KO, 8071 yds., 52.1 avg. (best 52.4 avg. in 1952), 3 KO singles, long 80, 140 pts. (best 61 in 1953 – had 69 in 1952 including TDs), 3 time divisional all-star (1951-53), led Western Conference in scoring 1953, 2 Grey Cup appearances (1950, 53) Justin Medlock – 53 games in 3 seasons (2016-18), 137/138 converts (99.3% - best 100% two times), 158/185 FG (85.4% - best 89.4% in 2018: both club records), 3 FG singles, long 58 (club record), 254 KO, 16822 yds., 66.2 avg.: club record (best 66.7 avg. in 2016: club record), 11 KO singles, long 95, 633 pts. (best 227 in 2016 – club record), 2016 divisional, CFL and CFLPA all-star as a kicker, 3 time team nominee for Most Outstanding Special teams player (2016-18), 2016 CFL Special Teams Player of the year, 2 time CFL scoring leader (2016, 17), club record 7 field goals in one game (3 times), holds or shares 9 club records in all (also most field goals and field goal attempts in a season in addition to those already listed) Justin Palardy – 53 games in 4 seasons (2010-13), 102/102 converts (100% - best 100% 4 times), 114/139 FG (82.0%: #2 club all-time - best 86.7% in 2010, 12), 13 FG singles, long 51, 212 KO, 11903 yds., 56.1 avg. (best 57.3 avg. in 2012), 5 KO singles, long 91, 462 pts. (best 165 in 2011), Grey Cup appearance 2011 Bernie Ruoff – 77 games in 5 seasons (1975-79), 148/152 converts (97.4% - best 100% in 1979), 148/245 FG (60.4% - best 75.0% in 1979), 50 FG singles, long 58 (club record), 324 KO, 18961 yds., 58.5 avg. (best 62.9 avg. in 1976), 9 KO singles, long 95, 673 pts. (best 151 in 1979), 1979 team nominee for Most Outstanding Canadian player Alexis Serna – 42 games in 3 seasons (2008-10), 94/94 converts (100% - best 100% three times), 82/114 FG (71.9% - best 81.6% in 2009), 18 FG singles, long 54, 204 KO, 11770 yds., 57.7 avg. (best 58.8 avg. in 2008), 3 KO singles, long 95, 368 pts. (best 161 in 2009) Troy Westwood – 293 games in 18 seasons (1991-2007, 09) (#2 club all-time for both), 732/734 converts (99.7% - best 100% fifteen times), 617/853 FG (72.3% - best 80.4% in 1993), 110 FG singles, long 57, 1291 KO, 74093 yds., 57.4 avg. (best 62.9 avg. in 2007), 28 KO singles, long 95, 2748 pts. (best 213 in 1994 – #3 club all-time, club record 3 seasons over 200 points), 3 time divisional all-star (1992-94), 1992 CFL all-star, team nominee for Outstanding Special Teams Player in 2003, 2 time team nominee for Most Outstanding Canadian Player (1992, 2003), led club in scoring 16 times, 2 time Eastern Division scoring leader (1992, 93), led CFL in scoring 3 times (1994, 2002, 03), all time leader in club scoring, holds or shares 17 club records including 5 single season records, CFL record 661 consecutive converts, 4 Grey Cup appearances (1992, 93, 01, 07)

OK, if not noticed, Bud Grant was the all-time coach choice, and Cal Murphy the all-time GM choice, and the punting voting is in, and to no one's surprise, Bob Cameron is the viewer's choice award winner, easily outpacing Jon Ryan who at least got 3 votes. everyone else was shut out. On to the kickers, which I am posting now with their bios. Voting will run until Sunday night. And it is time to consider the return game. I will list both punt and kick returners here, so please forward nominees for both categories. Off the top of my head: For punt returners - Jovon Johnson, Paul Bennett, Gord Rowland, Ron Latourelle, Kevin Fogg, Henry Janzen, Troy Stoudemire For kick returners - Leo Lewis, Dave Raimey, Tom Scott, Demond Washington, Ryan Lankford, Paul Williams, Mack Herron, and since he holds 2 club records I feel obliged to throw out the name Quincey McDuffie (the T.J. Heath of this group) Dual threat (and also missed FG returner) - Charles Roberts, Keith Stokes, Eric Blount, Albert Johnson III, Maurice Leggett

I get the reference, not slagging the choice, just said it was interesting.

Interesting song choice, given all the tunes with "New York" in their title.

With free agency coming up, we should clarify one thing: to resign is to quit something (see Goosen, Matthias) to re-sign is to enter into a new contract with your current employer (see Bighill, Adam)

In order - it is just you, no he hasn’t, and no he isn’t. Matt Nichols took a lot of crap on this board at times last year (I was not exempt from getting on him when he complained about the boos), but when it’s -30 outside and many Americans head south ftom the day the season ends to the start of trading camp, here’s our offensive leader giving back to the community and doing more than just a quick autograph session for a fee. I’m impressed to see him engage on a personal level with the Brandon fans. Kudos to him!

That was my original plan, but don't want anyone to feel slighted if they suggest a player.

I kid, of course. But I was asked to put in a number of candidates, and so I did. So to shut down voting right away after one vote (and the time it took to compile the stats) seemed a little presumptuous. But no other punter had a mural of him painted on the side of the team’s stadium. Like I said, we won’t need a full week of voting here.

Ummm...........

Thanks, King Trump, but I'll let others vote too if that's OK.

One man's take: OK, a nice list of names provided by Speed Flex and Stats Junkie to consider, and this pretty much covers the Bombers history of punters. But this boils down to Bob Cameron vs. who anyone will try to pump up to justify bumping Cameron out. So let's knock them off one by one: Casey - again, this guy did it all, offence, defence, special teams, and excelled everywhere, but never the absolute best at any one position. Delveaux - punted in the glory years, 3 rings to his credit and a very impressive average for an era when punting was not the specialized craft it is now. Still, no more rings than Bob had. Jacobs - more than just a spot duty punter, but split duties with Casey, and he is more deserving of consideration in the QB list McKee - punter in the club's dead era of 1972-74 ,average numbers, never made all-star, so not even the best in his era. Nope (sorry ISO). Medlock - does a very serviceable job, and has added that funky end over end Aussie rules kick to his repertoire, but when we think of him, we think placekicker, not punter Rebholz - another jack-of-all-trades player who excelled at many positions in the club's first dynasty in the 1930's. Sorry, they didn't keep stats back then Renaud - It takes big shoes to replace both a legend and a phenom, so give Renaud props for giving the club some stability post-Cameron and Ryan, and outkicking Westwood in the process. Some solid years, but not in the upper echelon of all-timers Ruoff - some very gaudy stats here, but strikes against him are (a) his split duties as a place kicker make his punting feel like an add-on rather than his specialty, (b) his greatest success punting came after his trade to Hamilton, so his accomplishments here pale a bit in comparison, and (c) in case some of you don't know, his departure from the Peg was quite the scandal, after he was caught imbibing in the wacky weed (it was a different time - "Reefer Madness", anyone?), and his criminal charge for marijuana possession was a one-way ticket out the door which tainted his legacy here (Jack Wells inevitably would ask after every Bomber game vs. the Ticats "What was that chant that came up every time Hamilton punted?" like he forgot that the "BER-NIE, BER-NIE" taunt was a reminder of how he got run out of town - ah, Cactus, don't ever change, even in the next life) Shepard - again, split duties with Delveaux and was better known as a running back, but he is tied for longest punt in club history, and is only one of two Bombers ever to lead the league in punting average in a single season (that's the most amazing stat I found researching this stuff, given that it happened only twice in the 68 years of recorded stats in a 9 team league for the most part) Ulmer - like Renaud, has some good tenure numbers and very serviceable, but won't crack the all-timer list So that leaves the phenom to strake his claim. Jon Ryan was way too good for this league, and the fact that he holds the all-time single season average is especially impressive given where half of his punts took place. Unlike the cozy dome in BC where Lui Passaglia first cracked the 50 yard barrier, Ryan kicked at the wind and ice bowl of Canadinns, where his average would dip a few yards once October arrived, the air got colder, and the ball started to freeze. Ryan's average most of that unreal 2005 season was hovering around 54.0 yards, and watching him launch moon shots every time was must see TV. Anything under 55 yards on the fly was a disappointment, he was good for at least one 65 yarder a game it seemed, and it wasn't just driving for distance - his hang time was astounding too. If we are talking the best pure punter to ever pull on the Blue and Gold, he outdistances any challenger, and...............ah, who am I kidding???? Cameron wins this almost on longevity alone. His legend was ensured in the 1988 Grey Cup, where the semi-insulting qualifier of his abilities by broadcasters as the "best bad weather punter" or "best into the wind punter" in the CFL was proven, as his sheer dominance over Passaglia tilted the field position all game and earned him Outstanding Canadian player honours in the big game, the only time I can recall that award going to a pure punter (other kickers who split duties as punter and kicker have won). Amazingly, he never led the league in average ever in 23 seasons (likely because of the adverse conditions he faced at Canadinns), but he was never seriously challenged for his job the whole time he was here, and "The Canadian Rifle" (he was the starting QB at Acadia in his University years for the uninformed), was very adept at the trick play, and was an extra coach for Cal Murphy on any special teams situation. Arguably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of Bomber players (more on that topic when we finish off this poll).

Sorry about the delay, real life intervened. Polling will close on Sunday at midnight, don't think we'll need that long on this one. Here are the bios: Bob Cameron – 394 games (CFL #2 all time) in 23 seasons (1980-2002), 3129 punts (CFL #2 all time), 134301 yards (CFL record), 42.9 avg., 95 long (twice – tied for club record), 134 singles, 4/4 converts, best season 46.9 avg. in 1983 (#2 in club history), 11/24 passing, 176 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT., 45.8%, 1 rush, 8 yards, 0 TD, 10 special teams tackles, 6 time divisional all-star (1984, 88-90, 93, 95), 4 time CFL all star (1988-90, 93), 2 time team nominee for Most Outstanding Canadian player (1988, 98), Most Outstanding Canadian player in 1988 Grey Cup, 3 Grey Cup appearances and 3 time champion (1984, 88, 90), CFL Hall of Fame, CFL record 188 punts and 8126 yards in 1988, 353 consecutive games played Tom Casey – 83 games in 6 seasons (1950-55), 139 punts, 5754 yards, 41.4 avg., 78 long, 6 singles, best season 42.7 avg. in 1955, 6 time divisional all-star (1950-55), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1950, 53), CFL Hall of Fame Jack Delveaux – 65 games in 6 seasons (1959-64), 227 punts, 9552 yards, 42.1 avg., 84 long, 19 singles, best season 44.8 avg. in 1963, 3 Grey Cup appearances and 3 time champion (1959, 61, 62) Jack Jacobs – 74 games in 5 seasons (1950-54), 518 punts, 21248 yards, 41.0 avg., 88 long, 55 singles, best season 43.9 avg. in 1952, 3 time divisional all-star (1950-52), 2 Grey Cup appearances (1950, 53), CFL Hall of Fame Walt McKee – 48 games in 3 seasons (1972-74), 379 punts, 16111 yards, 42.5 avg., 83 long, 13 singles, best season 44.2 avg. in 1973 Justin Medlock – 53 games in 3 seasons (2016-18), 312 punts, 13600 yards, 43.6 avg., 85 long, 5 singles, best season 44.5 avg. in 2018, 0/1 passing, 0 yards, 2016 divisional, CFL and CFLPA all-star as a kicker, 3 time team nominee for Most Outstanding Special teams player (2016-18), 2016 CFL Special Teams Player of the year Russ Rebholz - 6 seasons (1933-38), no statistics available, 3 time divisional all-star (1934-36), 3 Grey Cup appearances (1935, 37, 38), 1935 Grey Cup champion, CFL Hall of Fame Mike Renaud – 86 games in 6 seasons (2009-14), 671 punts, 28490 yards, 42.5 avg., 79 long, 29 singles, 4/4 converts, best season 43.9 avg. in 2013, 2/5 passing, 38 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT., 40.0%, 2 rush, 28 yards, 0 TD, 10 special teams tackles, 2010 divisional all-star, 2011 Grey Cup appearance Bernie Ruoff – 77 games in 5 seasons (1975-79), 621 punts, 27926 yards, 45.0 avg., 81 long, 22 singles, best season 46.9 avg. in 1978 (#2 in club history), 2 rushes, 40 yards, 0 TD, 1979 team nominee for Most Outstanding Canadian player Jon Ryan – 36 games in 2 seasons (2004-05), 236 punts, 11062 yards, 46.9 avg. (club record), 92 long, 18 singles, best season 50.6 avg. in 2005 (CFL record), 0/1 passing, 0 yards, 4 rushes, 52 yards, 2 special teams tackles, 2005 divisional, CFL and CFLPA all-star, 2005 team nominee for Most Outstanding Canadian player and Most Outstanding Special Teams player, led CFL in punting avg. in 2005 (50.6 avg.) Charlie Shepard – 73 games in 6 seasons (1957-62), 521 punts, 22995 yards, 44.1 avg., 95 long (tied for club record), 53 singles, best season 45.4 avg. in 1961, 6/9 passing, 101 yards, 2 TD, 1 Int., 66.7%, 1959 divisional all-star, 5 Grey Cup appearances (1957-59, 61, 62) 4 time Grey Cup champion (1958, 59, 61, 62), 1959 Grey Cup MVP, led CFL in punting avg. in 1960 (44.8 avg.) Ed Ulmer – 99 games in 7 seasons (1965-71), 758 punts, 31668 yards, 41.8 avg., 91 long, 35 singles, best season 43.0 avg. in 1968, 1/1 passing, 25 yards, 0 TD, 6 rushes, 26 yards, 1 TD, 1 reception, 8 yards, 0 TD, 1966 divisional and CFL all-star

He should cramp up before every game.

I will work on the bios today and have the lists out. Not sure about Serna, but I will add him, but then Hajrullahu could be added too (best all-time single season field goal percentage in club history, st least before Medlock)

Not just the West. Loffler has been the CFL all-star every year since he joined the league (and CFLPA all-star the last 2 years). So he is the best that is out there, but no safety is getting $200K.

Loffler took a roughing penalty for a helmet to helmet hit on that play. Instead of it being 3rd down, Leos got an automatic 1st down. The next play they punched in a touchdown. We lost that game by 2 points.