HardCoreBlue

Ladd, Myers for a 2nd, Hamonic and Barzal. I know you have to give up something to get something but a big no to letting Meyers go for what the Islanders offer here. I think your underestimating Meyers. I don't believe he's reached his full potential yet.

Yes I was thinking the Oilers are in a better position than we are for this trade. Maybe even the Flames and Nucks are in a better position. Maybe the Oilers offer up Nail Yakapov and Justin Shulz, two players that may benefit with a change in scenery.

Just to use your Cheshire Cat's train of thought, I believe, with patience and appropriate tinkering, the Jets can and will trend upwards if we stay the course. That's how I hope my reality plays out.

Just under 20 games into the season where we made the playoffs last year in a tough division and the suggestion is for a rebuild? Wow. Yes we can sometimes overestimate the talent of our current core foundation but we can also make the mistakes of underestimating it and/or misdiagnosing our current issues that plague this team.

No, he wants to show confidence in Hutch after pulling him last game. Imo, good coaches do that.

My position has always been with Buff is he's such a unique player that his skill set, his physicaility in a league of bigger players, the tone he sets on and off the ice will be very challenging to replace/match and if we don't sign him over the next 2-4 years I truly believe we will look back in that timeframe and say we wish we had him back. Unlike some here, as a keen observor I have not seen him regress and believe he still has some great years ahead of him. His pros outweigh his cons, that's how I look at it, not really a 'I'm right your wrong' approach to whether we retain him, more he's a package I strongly prefer as a Jet fan to have on my team, not on someone else's over the next few years if possible. That's my bias, my preference.

If you're making this statement specifically in reference to Frolik, I agree with you somewhat in that I don't know how much of a significant difference maker he would be making for us right now.. But if you are generalizing as a whole suggesting one person/position other than goaltending doesn't make a difference than I don't agree. I'll take my man Buff as an example. It seems he individually makes a significant impact on both ends of the spectrum. When he's off, he's off and the team suffers as a result. When he's on, he's on and the team benefits. With Buff, it seems there is no middle ground. Sort of fits that you live and die by the sword or whatever that saying is.

Calgary or Edmonton might have something to say to that. :-)

My educated guess, if you polled all NHL team GM's and scouting teams, is the majority would disagree with this statement. But I guess we'll never know.

Or the Jets, like all teams throughout different points of the year, are going through some adversity right here right now. Not all adversity calls for major change declaring our core is rotten. We made the playoffs last year which would suggest building on what we have rather than dismantling and changing our identity. Patience. Yes if this continues to slide, change will be inevitable but there is merit in our coach having confidence in his existing players and believing they will correct this and finish strong to compensate for this stretch of losses we're incurring right now. Not to mention the fact that we are trying to create an environment to attract players here. There are some that believe creating an environment where there's major shakeup every time a losing streak happens is not the greatest lure for some. Yes to clear accountability no to paranoia and fear. Just my 19 cents.

I believe it's walk the talk. And your analysis about fixing problems tends to overlook the actual complexities/challenges of putting a championship team. Yes Walters is fair game to criticism but not to unrealistic standards. Championship team? Are you crazy? Folks around here would settle for an average team that makes the playoffs and that's not an unrealistic standard. An unrealistic standard is suggesting that knowing and fixing problems seems to be a simple process. That's how I interpreted the above post. I would suggest it's a bit more complex and challenging. As for your point about building an average team, yes it's a progression but that's the ultimate holy grail GM's work towards. And yes at times I am crazy.

I believe it's walk the talk. And your analysis about fixing problems tends to overlook the actual complexities/challenges of putting a championship team. Yes Walters is fair game to criticism but not to unrealistic standards.

One reason, not all who run for public office but for some, is their narcissistic tendencies tend to persuade them. I call these type of people 'ribbon cutters', they love the spotlight, good, bad or indifferent. They tend to give this vocation a bad name.

Put together a high functioning Oline with a quick reading quick release QB with capable diverse type receivers, magic indeed happens.

Most, if not all, NHL teams going through a major funk (i.e., losing streak) thoughout the season. It's the Jets turn. They'll turn it around, the sooner the better though.

and the Stars are coming off a loss to the 'mighty' Leafs . . .

I didn't hear but historically Maurice platoons Peluso or Petan depending on the size and speed of the opposition up next.

This line of thinking lets Bettman off everything. Maybe I'll try it and walk around work pissing people off and I just say hey I'm doing what my bosses say so suck it. Great leadership style.

I'm with you on this. Seems like a nice enough guy, brilliant on tv, knows football inside out, but way too controlling and stubborn. I don't sense he's a guy who listens to other coaches observations and game analysis to help prepare a game plan. That's just my sense bases on his previous work with us.

What different role would that be?I don't read every press clippings so I could have missed it. I find it odd that we would have him do something different when what he was doing was making a difference for us last year.

Therein lies the issue.

He was seeing the puck brilliantly last night. We need Drew Stafford's game back. He's not as dominant thus far as we saw last year. Just an observation from the games I've seen.

I could be wrong, but I think O'Shea is in the "these are professional athletes, it's their job to motivate themselves" group. I have no idea about whether that works or not. Fear of losing your job is the best motivator. Works in pro sports or in business. Did you get the feeling MOS looked like a guy worried about this coming week? Maybe a bit in pro sports, but the fear of losing one's job does not motivate one to perform better in business. If anything it creates a very toxic environment of individuals not operating as a team.

I actually had this game when I was a kid. It was awesome.

Could you hear the disapointment in Mike Johnson's voice as he repeatedly indicated how close Burmi was to only having one skate on the ice coming out of the box as he took the puck. The puck at times really seemed to be jumping off the Jets stick this game, a bit frustrating but what I really enjoyed watching was the Jets taking it to the leafs the last seven minutes or so of the game and Leafs just trying to hang on for overtime. A big part of that is influenced by our coaching. I like it. We're playing to win, not to lose.