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Has everyone that's planning on watching WrestleKingdom watched it? Can we talk about it yet?

I think the timing and resolution was a big part of it's failure. It didn't set up anything directly. If they just wanted to establish the Dark Order as a ****-disturbing pack of madmen, they could have done that during any match. However, because they didn't continue to force the issue, the damage from that segment has been mitigated. Try that again the week after and you've killed the Dark Order.

I can't argue against this.

I'm definitely in the minority but I didn't entirely hate the Dark Order takeover segment. At least the idea of it. Like if you just think about it without thinking about how it actually went down. The visual of this massive group of identical characters swarming wrestlers and overwhelming them is pretty cool. It's like something out of Batman. But somewhere along the line, the execution failed (those horrid punches and keeping the camera on them didn't help). Overall I'm ok with trying something you think might be cool, seeing it fail and moving on. Better than planning something you KNOW will suck and then spending 4 weeks cramming down people's throats and trying to make it work.

Now it makes sense. Should have assumed you were part of the Cult of Cornette or whatever they call it. That clown has proven himself to be out of touch and EXTREMELY biased time and time again. I don't give a **** how much experience the guy has, his opinions are utterly useless at this point. If he was in charge, he'd still be finding ways to put the belts on the Rock'n'Roll Express. EDIT: And as TUP just mentioned. There's also the fact that he's like 80% character. At one point it was 100% but I genuinely think he's blurred the lines for so long that even he doesn't know where it is anymore and he's basically become his character to an extent.

I honestly think that the wedding segment from Raw will have an affect on a few people's decision making process. There has to be at least one person with a contract about to expire who saw that and thought "fuuuuuck this"

Heaven forbid someone who enjoys wrestling and has the financial means to start a company does exactly that. This stunner happened after the show went off the air. It was a bit of fun for the people who purchased tickets. The horror! Besides, the use of the term "money mark" says it all. It's like getting called a snowflake. It's really hard to take a person seriously when those phrases start getting tossed around. Multiple times in this case.

based on what?

Tessa Blanchard would be a HUUUUUUGE addition to the AEW roster. She could be the back the women's division rides on.

I don't understand what's ridiculous. I'm curious about NXTs streaming numbers as well. If we want to compare total viewers, all platforms need to be taken into consideration. However, like Unknown Poster mentioned, there are more specific metrics that matter re: broadcast deals. I'm not sure what the streaming is like in the US for AEW, but in Canada they benefit from using TSN's streaming platform. Those viewers on TSN.ca will help AEW get a better deal next time. The Network actively takes eyeballs away from WWE's broadcast partners. Not that it's entirely a bad thing, it's just a different model.

Do you know how streaming numbers work into everything? I watch Dynamite through TSN's website and I wouldn't be shocked if a majority of people in their 20s-30s are streaming as well.

There were a number of $30 seats in the lower deck initially but the seats currently available in the upper deck are around $60. Not too crazy considering they're the sections directly in beside the entrance ramp and ring. Overall the prices were pretty decent, I suppose to try to move as many as possible. There's some insane prices for VIP packages. There's still some $750 VIP floor seats available 🤣 Like you said though, still some time to sell tix. Gotta imagine there will be people with Christmas money that will grab some. That being said, we're talking about 5,000 unsold tickets or so if what I'm assuming is correct. That's a lot to sell after the initial rush is over.

So it appears that RAW at MTS Centre is not selling as quickly as I expected. Upper deck sections are only being used as needed. So far only three have been opened up with most of the seats in those sections still available. It's a long way to a sell out, which I thought would be all but guaranteed.

I prefer a rougher production as well. One of the things that turns me off of WWE currently is the look of everything. Not really a fan of the super bright/shiny look they have going with LED boards everywhere. I think with AEW, they just need a sound tech more experienced in live sports or something. Sometimes things seem like they're a bit muddy sound-wise. Part of it sounds like mic placement/number of mics used and part of it sounds like the mix. Push the crowd wider on the stereo mix and put the commentary/music more towards the centre. My two cents at least.

Page has the look and feel of a big star. It's just a matter of time before he catches fire. You can kinda feel their homegrown stuff starting to catch on. MJF is going to be something special. I buy into him being a piece of crap when he talks. I know there were some complaints about the Dark Order despite their matches generally being good but I think they've got a good think going now. Depending on which way they go, I think their angle could be one of the edgiest we've seen since the cold war stuff in WWF. They could go the general cult route which would still be alright but it kinda feels like they're playing off some of the whacko incel mindset you see, particularly in the States. If they go THAT route, holy shite... Also digging the addition of The Butcher and The Blade. Those guys are badass and I think they'll be a hit in short order. Maybe one two many "creepy" teams/factions with Butcher/Blade/Bunny, Dark Order and the Nightmare Collective. However, Nightmare Collective looks like it might be bringing in Dr. Luther, which would be pretty cool to see even if he is 50+ years old. And depending on her contract status, Butcher/Blade/Bunny could bring in Rosemary with her Demon Assassin character and add another Winnipegger to the mix.

Page's music is great. Starts off big and it fits his character really well. Judas also works really well as a theme for the same reasons. Not much of a Fozzy fan but they know what they're doing. Most of my complaints I think will be worked out in time. I can see what they're going for in most cases but something's just not quite there yet. To be expected for a new organization I suppose. EDIT: FYI, if anyone ever wants to hire me as a pro-wrestler, my music will be Oowatanite by April Wine, please and thanks.

Oh god, what have I started!?

Agreed, Build people up to the 15-20 minute matches. Overall, another good show with a number of production issues. They need a new sound person. Badly. My other main criticism is the entrance music. They tend to have the second entrance song start immediately after the first. Give it a few seconds and turn the lights down. That reset builds anticipation in the crowd. Plus the entrance songs themselves need to start with a super memorable riff or a big bang or something. They need to be immediately identifiable. Jim Johnston's best strength was each song started off BIG. AEW needs a bit of that in their entrance music.

Thanksgiving. AEW fans love their families and WWE fans are all spoiled children and deadbeat dads 😉😜

His segments are the best in wrestling each week. Bringing out a total rip-off of The List, criticizing the crowd for cheering for something from 2016 and then just carrying on with his gimmick from 2016 (with a great Kenny Shields reference in there) was fantastic. And as far as venues for AEW in Winnipeg, I think they would run the MTS Centre. It might not be full, but if they can fill up the side the cameras are pointed at they'd be happy. Wrestling, particularly on TV, is all about appearances not reality. If they can make it look reasonably full, they'll do it. Plus, it may not be MSG but getting into an NHL/NBA arena is a big deal for a wrestling promotion. You're using the same venue as the big leagues so you must be a big league, too. Again, appearances not reality. MTS Centre scales down pretty well, too. Small lower deck and one end is blocked for the stage. With a curtained off upper deck you're looking at 7,000 or so. Maybe 4,500 that the cameras see.

This is pretty much how I feel. My original comment was more of a joke based on the 15 year wait and what TV attendance was looking like last time they came and how it's looking now. You'd think that we'd be able to land a tv taping every 4-5 years or so. But yeah, there are logistical issues with getting the trucks into town. I suppose that's not as big of a problem now with Smackdown no longer being taped on Tuesday. I also think AEW is factored into this. Their ratings in Canada have been really strong, around Smackdown numbers a few times. Tony Kahn mentioned recently that they would be doing Canadian shows in 2020 and I have to imagine Winnipeg is a strong contender for one of the first shows. I could even see Toronto landing the first Canadian PPV and Winnipeg the first TV or something like that. Winnipeg is underserved by the WWE and if AEW starts running TV shows here, Winnipeg could easily become an "AEW town". If WWE feels the same, it's definitely fits their MO to put a bigger show here than normal to try to maintain their hold on the market.

You always know WWE has hit the skids when RAW comes to town.

I just need a shirtless photo from every day so I can do a 7 days of Streveler meme edit: I suppose I also need him drunk and shirtless tomorrow. But like, we all know it's gonna happen.

This is tremendous. Thanks for sharing.

so for a change of pace... outside of the QBs, anyone else feel like we have a good chance at locking up most of our big name FAs?