Fatty Liver

I think we should call Grigsby Kerplunk.

Can they both be on the field at the same time?

Still could happen if Grisby falters throughout the game. Grigsby has been full of falter the last 3 games and the coaches haven't reacted.

Woods had his best game of the season against the RR, so I sure hope they're not sitting him without injury. As I said in an earlier thread his playing style of trying to run over tacklers is unnecessary and conducive to sustaining injuries. Much like Watson and Sears I believe Woods needs to adjust his playing style to keep himself off of the injury list and preserve his job. If somebody else steps up with good returns and ball security I could easily see him in the same boat as Suber.

Word is Garcia has a stall with his name on it in the locker rm., no equipment yet, but a stall nonetheless. Why would the QB coach need a stall?

The only action that is going to get us some good Natl. O-lineman at this time is a band of pirates and a well organized kidnapping.

Good article in today's Freep. http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/walters-prowling-nfl-camps-for-help-270711441.html Some of Walter's pertinent quotes. "Mike (O'Shea) and I had a lengthy talk about the run game on the phone after I watched it on the computer. I think Drew did a great job, but if you are continually in second and eight or second and 10 you're going to get bit in the ass and that's what happened to us," said Walters late Sunday afternoon. "When the weather gets worse around here in the fall it's not realistic to think we're going to step back and throw the ball 40 times a game. Especially in poor weather. We're trying to tinker with the offensive line. Bob (offensive line coach Wylie) is working his tail off and Marcel (offensive co-ordinator Marcel Bellefeuille) is working his tail off too. It's difficult to make dramatic changes right now. But our scouting department will come together later in August for about 10 days and we'll prepare for practice-roster expansion and see what we can come up with." Willy has just over 10 career starts as a pro and while watching him push the Bombers to an early 5-2 record, it simply isn't sustainable. He needs support, better pass protection and a run game to lean on. That's Walters' next big task. CFL practice rosters are currently limited to 10 players but on Oct. 1 they can be expanded to 15. Walters has spent the last eight days touring NFL training camps and members of his staff spread out to take in workouts of all 32 teams. "It's not a quick process. A lot of this work will pay dividends in two or three years time from now. We're compiling lists and putting names into our database. These players don't immediately come up to the CFL," said Walters. "But our scouts are experienced and have been collecting names of players for years," said Walters. "We'll see what comes available and if there are players that can help us, we'll bring them in."

Don't underestimate the Argos running backs, they're both good but they don't get much chance to show it in that offencive scheme. Wouldn't mind seeing either Steele or Slaton in the BB backfield.

IMHO nothing looks good on poop.

We should start using the designation of B.M. (before Mike) and A.M. (after Mike) just to avoid confusion.

little bit early to say Dinwiddie hasn't had success coaching isn't it? Not even half a year into his first gig, never mind that he was only brought in to be a QB coach initially anyway. The best players don't always wind up being the best coaches. Scott Milanovich wasn't anything exciting at qb and he seems to be doing fine coaching, Whereas Matt Dunigan was a great qb and not much of a coach. As far as being coaches go neither one of them has proven anything and how good a player was has very little to do with how good a coach they wind up being. Matt could have been a great coach but he wasn't willing to pay his dues. He never was a qb coach, starting on the bottom & working his way up. He accepted a dual position of GM & HC of the Stamps with zero experience so you kinda knew it was bound to fail. Especially with the dysfunctional owner the team had at the time. Had he coached qbs, then became an OC maybe now he'd be a successful HC in the CFL or somewhere else. He never went back to coaching after he was fired. I think this is going to be the case with Calvillo as well. He would be wise to begin his coaching career as a QB coach instead of jumping straight into the OC gig. In my mind I think he is making a mistake by not getting involved with the Als. right now instead of enjoying an extended holiday away from the game. By the time he comes knocking opportunity may have already walked.

Whatsamatter with Leggett? If both Sears and Leggett are out who would/could play safety?

just as important how has the Argos. injury situation changed in the last two weeks? If Durie and Owens are back Ray will have something to work with. Durie doesn't come off the 6 game IR until August 22 and Owens comes off on August 31. Those are max. times, if they're ready to go before then they can play, just like Lulay in BC.

i guess the aversion to the lateral is that if mishandled it becomes a live ball as it is considered a backwards pass. Also works best if RB is standing still and not already on the move.

At this point difficult to make changes to the RB's or the O-line so I hope Marcel can quickly come up with a different plan of action for the Argo game. If we see more of the same play calling ineptitude I'm going to lose it. Is the lateral dead and forgotten? Run outside, that is the only place that Ford finds success and it's going to be the same for for either Grigsby or Cotton with this O-line.

While it looked funny it was actually a smart play. A younger less experienced QB would have tried to make a play and would have fumbled or thrown an INT. With the pressure in his face and 3 points sorely needed for the win, it was the best move Glenn could have made at that point. I couldn't fault him for turtling. Kevin Glenn seems to know that he's not a superhero and he accepts his limitations as a small QB, this probably explains his longevity in the league. People tend to hate him for this quality but what I see is a QB that can do his job very well as long as other components of the offence are doing their jobs moderately well. This means O-line is protecting and receivers are catching. When these two components are in place Glenn rarely loses a game because he is a precise commander of the offence and he moves the ball very well down the field. I really enjoy watching him in these situations because they are usually high scoring exciting games. If he's picking himself off the turf every second play I turn off the game because these games usually turn out to be duds in terms of entertainment value if the BB are not involved.

Thank you!

He had one carry in the game against SK, and 4 against Ham. That's hardly enough to judge him on how well he runs the ball. You totally miss what I said, didn't you. When he got the ball, the defenders were in the backfield with him - hence why he only has the carries he has. My point is this my friend - you could bring any RB in the world and plop them in the Bomber backfield - if he gets the ball and is looking into the whites of the eyes of the defender - he ain't going anywhere. Until our Oline gets stronger, and we can disguise our runs better, Cotton, Grigsby, or me. Doesn't matter. Charles Roberts regularly left guys grasping for air in the backfield. Now I'm not expecting these guys on the team now to be as good as Charles Roberts, but it clearly goes to show that your "no running back would make a difference" argument is flawed. I expect a back to be able to make people miss at least sometimes, Grigsby has done it only a handful of times and seems to have a remarkable ability to run into tacklers. He's not making enough people miss and that's a problem. Cotton I think can make more people miss and can generate more yards as a result. He might get stuff for a loss too, but I bet he won't get stuffed for a loss as often., Got to agree, I've never witnessed a RB get so many touches and come up with so few rushing yards as Grigsby in recent games. In the last 3 games he has carried the ball 39 times and gained a total of 82 yds. and in two of those games his avg. carry has been just over or just under 1 yard per carry. I repeat 1 yard per carry. If you remove his longest runs of each of those 3 games it reduces his yards gained to 43 yds. gained on 36 carries!!! I believe it was established in past discussions that the BB don't really have the worst O-line in the league and they actually fall in at about the middle of the pack based on statistics. I believe Hamilton, Edmonton, Ottawa, Toronto and perhaps BC at times have all been considered to have weaker O-lines than the Bombers. Not one of those teams has a RB that continues to play with running stats. any where near as pathetic as Grigsby's recent numbers. Good blocking or bad it's not all on the O-line and, a RB at some point has to be able to create some yards on their own and in this respect Grigsby has been a dismal failure. The most amazing thing is that Marcel and/or O'Shea keep calling his number as the starting tail back.

just as important how has the Argos. injury situation changed in the last two weeks? If Durie and Owens are back Ray will have something to work with.

Right....WestySucks already established that Kevin Glenn is a "pansy" a few weeks back. You want to bring that discussion up again?

Well the only points sask scored was when its offense was off the field Apples & oranges. I don't care about the Riders. WE couldn't score because our offense was standing at the bench watching. We should all promise to leave this discussion behind when the Bombers play the Riders on Labour Day and in every subsequent game the Bombers face Messam. Water under the bridge. Doesn't preclude from the ongoing search for a bigger RB and hopefully Walters doesn't share O'Shea's opinion that there is nothing wrong with the running game other than player mistakes.

OH YEAH. As soon as I read that I was like, that is totally what it looks like. Funny, ties in beautifully with the "Hillbilly theme".

Do they really? I want you to actually justify that comment because I see a team that lost because they turned the ball over when they got it and that isn't affected by the Riders picking up meaningless rushing yards (and yes they were meaningless because they didn't result in a hell of a lot of points) Cuz you asked so nicely.... Rider's offense was almost non-existent before they started running Messam. Continue with that and our offense gets more chances with the ball, their defense gets tired due to lopsided TOP, they lose the field position battle and the game. The yards weren't meaningless, although your posts are getting more and more so. As I thought, you're going with the "just because" reasoning. The Bombers got the ball back plenty of times with plenty of time left and they utterly failed to move the ball. Now in your world apparently more chances would have made it better? I dunno about that, we've seen this offense bog down before against certain defenses and it doesn't matter how many times they get the ball back. Willy wasn't feeling it clearly, he was throwing dangerous passes, they couldn't get the run game going... More opportunities with the ball I don't think would have helped, and to be quite honest, I think without Messam the Riders were a more dangerous team because they would have actually tried passing the ball rather than settling into the conservative 6 yards a carry game they did and they might have broken a big play or two and scored more points. I'll give up 100+ yards in a half if the qb barely cracks 100 passing. Do they really? I want you to actually justify that comment because I see a team that lost because they turned the ball over when they got it and that isn't affected by the Riders picking up meaningless rushing yards (and yes they were meaningless because they didn't result in a hell of a lot of points) Cuz you asked so nicely.... Rider's offense was almost non-existent before they started running Messam. Continue with that and our offense gets more chances with the ball, their defense gets tired due to lopsided TOP, they lose the field position battle and the game. The yards weren't meaningless, although your posts are getting more and more so. As I thought, you're going with the "just because" reasoning. The Bombers got the ball back plenty of times with plenty of time left and they utterly failed to move the ball. Now in your world apparently more chances would have made it better? I dunno about that, we've seen this offense bog down before against certain defenses and it doesn't matter how many times they get the ball back. Willy wasn't feeling it clearly, he was throwing dangerous passes, they couldn't get the run game going... More opportunities with the ball I don't think would have helped, and to be quite honest, I think without Messam the Riders were a more dangerous team because they would have actually tried passing the ball rather than settling into the conservative 6 yards a carry game they did and they might have broken a big play or two and scored more points. I'll give up 100+ yards in a half if the qb barely cracks 100 passing. Oh ye' of little faith, your argument is without merit. Essentially what you're saying is that it doesn't matter how many extra possessions the Bombers would have had in the last Q. without Messam because they had no chance of scoring more points anyway because the O was playing poorly. How does that make sense in the context of the Ti-Cat game when they had 3 possessions that stalled in the 4th Q before they finally got their **** together and mounted the drive that won the game on the last play. More possessions=more opportunity to score points=better chance to win the game.

Botched hold on a FG cost them the win against Calgary. Bad gun snap on the 2 yard line cost them a TD last night. Costly penalties & turnovers. The Cats have a suicide tendency to do stupid things at critical times. Is that just bad luck or do some players have character issues that Austin has to weed out? This is happening too much for it just to be a coincidence or an isolated event. Some players choke under pressure. I don't think it's luck as much as it's being 'almost' good enough to win coupled with losing their first string QB and 3 starting O lineman plus others. LeFevour is getting better each game out, but that O line is still a big stinking pile. Hamilton is taking a bunch of dumb penalties. Some of that's on the coaching staff. Some on the players. Some on trying to do a little too much like getting one extra hit in. Some on backups getting beat and having to grab to survive. As the games are really close these mistakes are magnified much like the last couple of years in Bomberland. The Ti-Cats are also over emotional on the defencive side, perhaps an ill advised reflection of the character of their head coach. Numerous times they were jumping up and down screaming at the officials and eventually they were punished for these outbursts with unsportsman-like conduct penalties which diminished their chances of winning further.

To be honest I've never seen a RB put up the kind of pathetic running stats Grigsby has in the last two games were he has basically Don't know if many of you go this far back but the Als used to have a RB named Steve Ferrughelli who played for 3 or 4 years back in the mid 70's that reminds me of Messam. This guy was an absolute beast and was a lock to gain 7 or 8 yards each time he carried the ball, even when the other team knew he was getting the ball they still couldn't stop him. Memory is a bit foggy but I believe he won at least 2 Grey Cups in the years when it was either the EE's or the Als contending for it every year.